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[Kantrip]

Actually, yes. Why aren't Samus and ZSS separated already, again?

Oh yeah, so they can have wasted Final Smashes.

 

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Meh, I wasn't expecting, or for that matter, wanting, of another Zelda character.

It's funny how we come to the same conclusions at the end of each discussion.

Still props to Star for thinking that up. You really did earn those Toise Tokens.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Actually, yes. Why aren't Samus and ZSS separated already, again?

Oh yeah, so they can have wasted Final Smashes.

Haha, I think that's the only reason why Sakurai even put them together, ZZS's FS was a waste, it's a simple transformation with knockback which I found useless.

 

[Starphoenix]

What is the conversion rate between Toise Tokens and the US Dollar?

 

[OmegaXXII]

I wonder how them points convert in Wii points, I so want to get Castlevania 4 because of him.

 

[ChronoBound]

Sakurai has stated that his reason for even placing in Zero Suit Samus was:
I put Zero Suit Samus in thinking I wanted to include more characters from the popular Metroid series. Also, since Smash Bros. has few female characters, I was quite happy to include her.

So she was basically a "twofer".

 

[Oasis_S]

Wasn't that little tidbit the genesis of "SAKURAI DEMANDS MORE WOMEN."

 

[Shorts]

Wasn't that little tidbit the genesis of "SAKURAI DEMANDS MORE WOMEN."

.......>.>.........
.............<.<...

Yes.

 

[Starphoenix]

Yes it was Oasis. Unfortunately seven attributes modern society lacks. One of those seven are contextualization.

Also, Swayne, cute avatar.

 

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Sakurai has stated that his reason for even placing in Zero Suit Samus was:
I put Zero Suit Samus in thinking I wanted to include more characters from the popular Metroid series. Also, since Smash Bros. has few female characters, I was quite happy to include her.

So she was basically a "twofer".

"Twofer?" I guess. Although Samus, who we had before, is same character. Just with clothes.

Still this does give me hopes about both Palutena and Medusa getting in.

Also, can you give a link?

 

[Deleted member]

"Twofer?" Meh, I guess. Although Samus who we had before, is same character.

Still this does give me hopes about both Palutena and Medusa getting in.

Also, can you give a link?

I think its in the DOJO!!

 

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I think its in the DOJO!!

Well I just looked and I didn't see it?

So is there a link?

 

[ChronoBound]

"Twofer?" Meh, I guess. Although Samus who we had before, is same character.

Still this does give me hopes about both Palutena and Medusa getting in.

Also, can you give a link?

http://wii.ign.com/articles/710/710752p1.html

What is interesting is how he mentions how Pit was popular in both Japan AND America (which infers that he gets some memos as to what the Western Smash fanbase wants).

Also, yeah, I have a hunch that if Kid Icarus Uprising is a massive hit, that we will be getting both Palutena and Medusa.

 

[SwayneGang]

Also, since Smash Bros. has few female characters, I was quite happy to include her.

He needs to look into that matter for the next one. I expect at least 2 new female characters. Maybe 3, but that's probably pushing it.

Also, Swayne, cute avatar.

Thanks, Star. Someone on here asked me to put one up, so...

 

[OmegaXXII]

Sakurai has stated that his reason for even placing in Zero Suit Samus was:
I put Zero Suit Samus in thinking I wanted to include more characters from the popular Metroid series. Also, since Smash Bros. has few female characters, I was quite happy to include her.

So she was basically a "twofer".

Well it makes sense, at least it was better than having her own slot, but then again people would have raged if it sid happen comsidering the fact that Ridley wasn't playable at all.

 

[Starphoenix]

\As for the separate Sheik / Zelda thing, I wanted to hear my brother's reaction to this idea, and he basically changed my mind on it. Twilight Princess didn't have a Sheik, neither does Skyward Sword? Sheik may look a tad different.... but....so?

Thing is that Sheik was based off of unused artwork from Twilight Princess. I doubt that is the case here. UNLESS

Spoiler

the character at the end of a recent Skyward Sword trailer really is a member of the Sheikah. In this case she could be modeled around the Sheikah's appearance in Skyward Sword.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I wonder if both Palutena and Medusa warrant a spot, both, I know they each do.

 

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http://wii.ign.com/articles/710/710752p1.html

What is interesting is how he mentions how Pit was popular in both Japan AND America (which infers that he gets some memos as to what the Western Smash fanbase wants).

Also, yeah, I have a hunch that if Kid Icarus Uprising is a massive hit, that we will be getting both Palutena and Medusa.

Thank you. This is going in the backroom. I'll give you credit, so don't worry.

Still that's good news to hear. My bets are still on Palutena if we only get one. But seeing as it would be like having Mario with no Luigi, I'm pretty sure we'd get both or Magnus.

Say did you ever post that Wario Land hate link? I know Java was asking you about it.

 

[Oasis_S]

It's not like it would be hard to MAKE A NEW DESIGN just for Smash. It's not a stranger to new designs for characters, after all.

 

[SmashChu]

I would venture to say that ALL of the cut Melee veterans are recognizable. Super Smash Bros. Melee was the highest selling game on the GameCube. Before Sakurai said, 'there will be cuts", there was animosity to the idea of cuts (even for Pichu, Dr. Mario, and Young Link).

Keep in mind that Sakurai at an earlier point in Brawl's development was considering bringing back Dr. Mario over any other Mario newcomer. He also had Toong Link and Plusle & Minun in mind as the replacements to Young Link and Pichu. Mewtwo and Roy were by far the most popular ones of the cut veterans which is why they stayed in development much longer than the other Fallen Five.

Plusle Minun thing I think is wrong. Some of the thinking is that it's just the random box.

1. There is only one file. Ice Climbers, also a tag team, have a Popo and Nana file
2. All names are spelled out. This one isn't
3. Pra Mia I think means "Every Person" in Japanese. It's close to something
4. There is no other file for the random box

Toon Sheik is single handedly the worst idea Sakurai has ever had. Seriously...

Omega, do you know how to read social situations?

Yeah, have to agree there. I'm hoping it was Tetra or someone all along. No need for TOON Sheik.

One Ghirahim: I've always wondered about him. I think it's possible, but it's really hard to say. I mean, he has to be an important villain first and people have to like him. Even then, it's hard to say. I wouldn't mind seeing him, but I can't get behind him as being a big contender yet.

 

[Kantrip]

Why?

Kid Icarus: Uprising is one game. I don't even know if Sakurai will add one of them. Two is being really hopeful.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Haha, I wonder if Ganon will get it's own design.

 

[Starphoenix]

Warrant is a subjective term. Could they? Perhaps. It really depends upon how biased Sakurai and Project Sora are coming off of development of Kid Icarus: Uprising. The rumbly in my tumbly tells me that if Sakurai was hesitant to oversaturate the Melee roster, which really wouldn't have, with Kirby characters than I somehow believe he is not going to do that with Kid Icarus either. Sure, we will likely have one of the two, but that probably will be it.

 

[Shorts]

Thing is that Sheik was based off of unused artwork from Twilight Princess. I doubt that is the case here. UNLESS

Spoiler

the character at the end of a recent Skyward Sword trailer really is a member of the Sheikah. In this case she could be modeled around the Sheikah's appearance in Skyward Sword.

Things don't need to be canon. Besides, Sakurai could have a Sheik drawn up within days if he wanted.

I don't know about KI. I'm just skeptical about females... they DON'T get into Smash. They just don't. I mean, these two have major roles, but... I just, I'm not too sure. This is just a gut feeling though.

Yeah, have to agree there. I'm hoping it was Tetra or someone all along. No need for TOON Sheik.

I dunno. Dixie wasn't named, "Lady Diddy" so... you never know. Sheik and Tetra are NOT the same.

 

[SwayneGang]

@SmashChu
I could see Plusle & Minun as a playable tag-team. The Ice Climbers were a success in Melee; I'm surprised Sakurai didn't expand that play-style in Brawl.

Just one problem for me. I know nothing about that Pokemon duo. All I know is they're the gen 3 answer to Pikachu.

 

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Warrant is a subjective term. Could they? Perhaps. It really depends upon how biased Sakurai and Project Sora are coming off of development of Kid Icarus: Uprising. The rumbly in my tumbly tells me that if Sakurai was hesitant to oversaturate the Melee roster, which really wouldn't have, with Kirby characters than I somehow believe he is not going to do that with Kid Icarus either. Sure, we will likely have one of the two, but that probably will be it.

Yeah, I was thinking that too, and that definitly applies to Magnus.

But technically since they're not his characters, I wouldn't think this would fully apply to this situtation.

So I guess for now it all comes down to fan demand and Sakurai's opinion.

Although if this does hold true, seeing as Palutena was redesigned just as much as Pit was in development (05?), my bets would be that this would apply to her the least.

 

[Starphoenix]

Still on the subject of Zelda. Forget characters, am I the only one more fascinated by how Sakurai is going to handle the artstyle discrepancy within the series? You have Ganondorf and Sheik on one side with Ocarina of Time 3DS, and Link and Zelda on the other with Skyward Sword. Even if Toon Link returns he is voided from this discussion as his style would stay the same.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I wonder how they will handle it?

 

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Still on the subject of Zelda. Forget characters, am I the only one more fascinated by how Sakurai is going to handle the artstyle discrepancy within the series?

Good point.

But all I can say is that this is more support and pressure for alternate, Wario style, costumes.

 

[Shorts]

Still on the subject of Zelda, forget characters, am I the only one more fascinated by how Sakurai is going to handle the artstyle discrepancy within the series?

No way. I definintely have been wondering about that since the begining of the summer. So much Zelda....SO MUCH. The thing is, half the characters that show up in OOT don't show up in SS. What do you do?

 

[Deleted member]

Still on the subject of Zelda. Forget characters, am I the only one more fascinated by how Sakurai is going to handle the artstyle discrepancy within the series? You have Ganondorf and Sheik on one side with Ocarina of Time 3DS, and Link and Zelda on the other with Skyward Sword. Even if Toon Link returns he is voided from this discussion as his style would stay the same.

I think Ganondorf will revert to his Ocarina of Time looks. As for Zelda, she will get her Skyward Swords look and Sheik will likely receive the same treatment.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I agree, Ghirahim should not be out of the picture as well.

 

[Starphoenix]

Problem is with Zelda is it would be more drastic of a blend than what we saw happen with the Star Fox crew in Brawl. They were in a similar situation, having both their Assault and Command designs. Just blending the two artstyles, possibly three with a returning Toon Link, might make all of the characters appear out of place at that point. Having the characters have split designs might be just as awkward. Hmmm...

 

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Wait, quick thought. Technically Zelda will somehow become royalty/queen at the end of SS, so maybe that design?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@SmashChu
I could see Plusle & Minun as a playable tag-team. The Ice Climbers were a success in Melee; I'm surprised Sakurai didn't expand that play-style in Brawl.

Just one problem for me. I know nothing about that Pokemon duo. All I know is they're the gen 3 answer to Pikachu.

You pretty much got it all in one shot. The notable thing is that they can help eachother using.... Helping Hand. That's about it. They're a novelty Pokemon.

Also, Toon Sheik... would've been probably just a clone. Tetra, however...

 

[Starphoenix]

It is a possibility. It would definitely fit better than "next door sweetheart" Zelda.

 

[OmegaXXII]

What about Tetra?

 

[SwayneGang]

Problem is with Zelda is it would be more drastic of a blend than what we saw happen with the Star Fox crew in Brawl. They were in a similar situation, having both their Assault and Command designs. Just blending the two artstyles, possibly three with a returning Toon Link, might make all of the characters appear out of place at that point. Having the characters have split designs might be just as awkward. Hmmm...

For Link, Zelda, and even Ganondorf, I prefer they keep their Twilight Princess designs. Those are, by far, the best I've seen.

 

[ChronoBound]

I still think that having Sheik being given her own slot is the best idea there is for a "fifth Zelda slot".

Also, all Metroid ever needed was Samus and Ridley. However, since Zero Suit Samus is an unique character addition, and has basically solidified herself as the "Mai/fanservice girl" of Smash Bros., cutting her is out of the question.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I really would like to see a "Toon" version of this.