New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Shorts]

You know whose worse the any of the Zelda cast? Tingle!! Yes I said it, I'm biased and dislike him ALOT and yes I am aware my opinion doesn't really matter when it comes to Sakurai himself, I just to people to voice on Tingle is all.

This post makes no sense. Tingle: 453 Omega: 0

Seriously, we've been over Tingle with you so much.

You saying that means about as much as me saying "Megaman is boring". It doesn't change anything. The only difference is, I'm one of the few people who think that, and we have Tingle hate basically everyday.

 

[Deleted member]

@asage94: Just wanted to give you some constructive criticism on your Victini's move set:

- Add grab moves to it. One important part of the move set is the grab. Add a pummel, an upward throw, a downward throw, a forward throw, and a backward throw.
- Your Searing Shot is seriously overpowered. It should not increase 50% per level, especially not if the add up. Reduce it to 15-20% per level without the moves adding up.
- V-Create needs to be better explained. Two sentences are not enough to explain a Final Smash. Go into depth (one or two good paragraphs should do)
- Add the amount of damage made to the attacks to get a better indication if its balanced or not.
- Add an Entrance, three victory poses, three taunts, and a losing pose.

 

[JavaCroc]

You know whose worse the any of the Zelda cast? Tingle!! Yes I said it, I'm biased and dislike him ALOT and yes I am aware my opinion doesn't really matter when it comes to Sakurai himself, I just to people to voice on Tingle is all.

You don't need to repeat you dislike for Tingle the 25,000th time. We get it. There's no point in just repeating the same point everytime we bring Tingle up for discussion.

@Croc:.......

 

[Pachinkosam]

you know whose worse the any of the zelda cast? Tingle!! Yes i said it, i'm biased and dislike him alot and yes i am aware my opinion doesn't really matter when it comes to sakurai himself, i just to people to voice on tingle is all.

tingle

 

[OmegaXXII]

Which is why we may see the "Forbidden 7" getting in over any newcomer.

But I'm with you, Chrono. There's not many Nintendo vets left who haven't appeared in Smash.

BTW, did you see my one post regarding all things Mario? If not, I'll put it up again.

Yeah, lesser franchises will indeed get more representation such as Animal Crossing who might possibly rep?

This is why I'm optimimistic about them this time around.

 

[ChronoBound]

I know that Mewtwo was a vet in Melee, but would you consider him a recognizable character that should have been in Brawl?

I would venture to say that ALL of the cut Melee veterans are recognizable. Super Smash Bros. Melee was the highest selling game on the GameCube. Before Sakurai said, 'there will be cuts", there was animosity to the idea of cuts (even for Pichu, Dr. Mario, and Young Link).

Keep in mind that Sakurai at an earlier point in Brawl's development was considering bringing back Dr. Mario over any other Mario newcomer. He also had Toong Link and Plusle & Minun in mind as the replacements to Young Link and Pichu. Mewtwo and Roy were by far the most popular ones of the cut veterans which is why they stayed in development much longer than the other Fallen Five.

 

[OmegaXXII]

tingle

Well, I agree with JohnKnight, I do indeed want to see what people think of his chances, I'm curious since Vaati might be the "master" of Skyward Sword.

@Croc:.......

 

[Deleted member]

Well, I agree with JohnKnight, I do indeed want to see what people think of his chances, I'm curious since Vaati might be the "master" of Skyward Sword.

@Croc:.......

Right now, I think Tingle has the best shot of all the Zelda characters, but that's not saying much since I think none of them reaches the 50% range and they aren't requested in Japan.

Before Sakurai said, 'there will be cuts", there was animosity to the idea of cuts (even for Pichu, Dr. Mario, and Young Link).

Even to this day, there lies strong animosity to cutting. Heck, it's probably even stronger with the back lash that came from Mewtwo's and Roy's removal.

 

[SwayneGang]

@Shortie
I know you know that Zelda can transform into Sheik, and vice versa. But if I may ask: Could you see this same treatment for Toon Zelda and Tetra? Remember, in the WW series, they are the same character.


@Omega
I can't wait any longer. Is my roster done?

 

[Shorts]

@Croc:.......

I said something too. You shoulld glare at me as well.

Also....I am pretty damn skeptical about Plusle and Minun being in development. Although IT MAKES SENSE. 3rd Gen was the latest Generation at that point, and they're similar to Pichu. I mean, they're in the Pikachu family thingy.

@Shortie
I know you know that Zelda can transform into Sheik, and vice versa. But if I may ask: Could you see this same treatment for Toon Zelda and Tetra? Remember, in the WW series, they are the same character.

I don't think Tetra will be in SSB4, but I think it's much better alternative to TOON SHEIK. That's disgusting. So....disgusting. I'm assuming she would work similar to Zelda/Sheik transformation, if she did get in.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Right now, I think Tingle has the best shot of all the Zelda characters, but that's not saying much since I think none of them reaches the 50% range and they aren't requested in Japan.

Well, that seems fair enough, I'm just wondering since peope keep bringing the idea and saying that Zelda deserves a 5th slot, and the obvious choice people go with is Tingle and point out his popularity in Japan, seems it's too early until post Skyward Sword to fi d out then.

@Croc: I was asking a question, do you not comprehend what I was saying? Please answer rather than bash, thank you.

 

[Pachinkosam]

Well, I agree with JohnKnight, I do indeed want to see what people think of his chances, I'm curious since Vaati might be the "master" of Skyward Sword.

@Croc:.......

johnknight gos mad ween we types xD XD XD

 

[OmegaXXII]

@Shortie
I know you know that Zelda can transform into Sheik, and vice versa. But if I may ask: Could you see this same treatment for Toon Zelda and Tetra? Remember, in the WW series, they are the same character.


@Omega
I can't wait any longer. Is my roster done?

I honestly don't see Toon Zelda being likely; although Tetra might since it was part of the forbidden 7?

Yes, you ask, you shall receive.

 

[ChronoBound]

Zelda as of the present does not need a fifth slot. Giving it a fifth character would merely be for the sake of making the series keep of with Mario and Pokemon (of which five slots for both series are definitely not guaranteed). The fact that people are grasping for Tingle for the fifth slot in the series shows that Zelda has all the characters it needs.

If Ghirahim ends up becoming the next Ganondorf, I would say maybe a fifth Zelda character is a possibility.

 

[SwayneGang]

I don't think Tetra will be in SSB4, but I think it's much better alternative to TOON SHEIK. That's disgusting. So....disgusting. I'm assuming she would work similar to Zelda/Sheik transformation, if she did get in.

Yeah, that's what I'd see too. Pressing Down+B as Toon Zelda will have her transform into Tetra, and vice versa. Now, I admit. I can see Toon Zelda being a "clone" of Zelda. HOWEVER, their alter-egos would not be clones of each other, which sets the two Zeldas apart from each other.

 

[JavaCroc]

Well, that seems fair enough, I'm just wondering since peope keep bringing the idea and saying that Zelda deserves a 5th slot, and the obvious choice people go with is Tingle and point out his popularity in Japan, seems it's too early until post Skyward Sword to fi d out then.

@Croc: I was asking a question, do you not comprehend what I was saying? Please answer rather than bash, thank you.

You mean this question?

So whose better? Lucario or Mewtwo"

From what I could see, you just went off-topic with your question when someone (I believe asage94) mentioned Tingle and then proceeded to voice your opinion.

I respect your opinion, of course, but there's no need to bring it up at a time when no one was even arguing about Tingle.



@Chronobound: Did you see my previous request to link to the source where Sakurai stated his lack of interest in Wario before Wario Ware? Thanks.

 

[Shorts]

@Croc: I was asking a question, do you not comprehend what I was saying? Please answer rather than bash, thank you.

I'm here too. And no, you made a jumbled sentence that actually didn't make sense for the most part. The only thing WE COULD make out was "I'm biased, I hate Tingle".

I don't see Ghirahim being the next Ganondorf, especially with the plot to revive "his master" (along with seven other villains). The villain should be pointed towards Vaati, but the "seven other villains" part turns me off from it.

People forget that Vaati...isn't that big of a threat. He's a freaking Minish.

"YES. IT IS I, RIDLEY, HERE TO REVIVE THE ALMIGHTY, SHY GUY!!" Is what I think of whenever I hear ths redic Vaati idea.

 

[Deleted member]

Zelda as of the present does not need a fifth slot. Giving it a fifth character would merely be for the sake of making the series keep of with Mario and Pokemon (of which five slots for both series are definitely not guaranteed). The fact that people are grasping for Tingle for the fifth slot in the series shows that Zelda has all the characters it needs.

If Ghirahim ends up becoming the next Ganondorf, I would say maybe a fifth Zelda character is a possibility.

I don't see Ghirahim being the next Ganondorf, especially with the plot to revive "his master" (along with seven other villains). The villain should be pointed towards Vaati, but the "seven other villains" part turns me off from it.

 

[Oasis_S]

The fact that Sakurai is an *** sometimes makes Tingle seem so much more likely in my eyes.

@Swayne: How long have you been waiting? Lol.

 

[SwayneGang]

Yes, you ask, you shall receive.

May I please have my roster?

 

[OmegaXXII]

Zelda as of the present does not need a fifth slot. Giving it a fifth character would merely be for the sake of making the series keep of with Mario and Pokemon (of which five slots for both series are definitely not guaranteed). The fact that people are grasping for Tingle for the fifth slot in the series shows that Zelda has all the characters it needs.

If Ghirahim ends up becoming the next Ganondorf, I would say maybe a fifth Zelda character is a possibility.

Well, only if a character actually is worthy of having importance withing the series should actually merit a roster spot for Smash? Well, that seems logical but don't you thing Sakurai will also look at the "lesser" characters since he happens to obviously state that Nintendo is "lackin" character content?

 

[ChronoBound]

I don't see Ghirahim being the next Ganondorf, especially with the plot to revive "his master" (along with seven other villains). The villain should be pointed towards Vaati, but the "seven other villains" part turns me off from it.

Ghirahim is on the Japanese box art for Skyward Sword. Hopefully at the very least he is more important than the seven other demon lords that seek the resurrection of their "master".

Ghirahim is perhaps the best hope there is in regards to a fifth Zelda spot, unless Vaati does end up being the master (and is in his "human" form) and has a meaningful amount of screen time (as opposed to simply showing up at the end).

 

[OmegaXXII]

@steam: Sadly, that is very true to me as well, although I do disagree on what you guys were agreeing to so....:3

 

[Pachinkosam]

May I please have my roster?

yeah cry u little jerk just kidding good luck

 

[Starphoenix]

Actually it appears the "seven demon lords" thing is not how many originally perceived it. It is likely that Ghirahim could have been a part of that group, but Ghirahim is obviously the head honcho. The latest videos and interviews have made that much clear.

 

[OmegaXXII]

yeah cry u little jerk just kidding good luck

Lol, let's not add more flame to the fire now, in this case Bowser's breath should be kept shut.

 

[SwayneGang]

Lol, let's not add more flame to the fire now, in this case Bowser's breath should be kept shut.

No he was fine. I'm just excited.

 

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Hmm I just had a thought:

Isn't Skyward Sword the prequel of OOT? So wouldn't that mean that Ghirahim is a one time character for the Zelda series?

If so doesn't that hurt his chances?

Oh, and lets try not to make this into a timeline debate.

 

[Pachinkosam]

Lol, let's not add more flame to the fire now, in this case Bowser's breath should be kept shut.

i was playing around no heart feelings

 

[Deleted member]

Actually it appears the "seven demon lords" thing is not how many originally perceived it. It is likely that Ghirahim could have been a part of that group, but Ghirahim is obviously the head honcho. The latest videos and interviews have made that much clear.

Really? In that case, it restores a little hope I have for Ghirahim's inclusion.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Lol, let's not add more flame to the fire now, in this case Bowser's breath should be kept shut.

And Foxfire, and Flamethrower...

Speaking of that, I wonder if Bowser will get something more than a new Forward B in his B Moves.

 

[Shorts]

Hmm I just had a thought:

Isn't Skyward Sword the prequel of OOT? So wouldn't that mean that Ghirahim is a one time character for the Zelda series?

If so doesn't that hurt his chances?

Oh, and lets try not to make this into a timeline debate.

Basically, yes. He doesn't show up again. That's why he is just like Zant, and Midna.

The ONLY reason I see Ghirahim getting in is if it gets as/more popular than OOT. Look at Young Link and Sheik.

 

[OmegaXXII]

And Foxfire, and Flamethrower...

Speaking of that, I wonder if Bowser will get something more than a new Forward B in his B Moves.

I wonder as well, Charizard also had a similar move, I wonder if another fire type will actually have a different move?(Blazakin)

 

[Bowser D.X]

If its done right Vatti would be a great character for SSB4. Also if they decide to keep them (which they probably will) they should make the metal character battles a little bit harder. The ones in Brawl were a breeze compared to the ones in 64 or even Melee.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Hmm I just had a thought:

Isn't Skyward Sword the prequel of OOT? So wouldn't that mean that Ghirahim is a one time character for the Zelda series?

If so doesn't that hurt his chances?

Oh, and lets try not to make this into a timeline debate.

Well from an earlier debate, I learned that it is indeed before the oot era, possibly in between oot and Minish Cap, I may be wrong though.

 

[Starphoenix]

Well there is a, likely false, rumor that Ghirahim might turn into a certain anti-Master Sword weapon...

Super Smash Bros. Fan, chico. Don't go into stock evaluation.

For some reason I now envision Genesect saying "chico" with a thick accent... That smile just screams cactus on the forehead. lol

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I wonder as well, Charizard also had a similar move, I wonder if another fire type will actually have a different move?(Blazakin)

That's why I said Flamethrower. I was referring to Charizard, heh. Anyway, I'm hoping for types NOT already playable in Smash. Steel, Fighting, Psychic, Electric, Fire, Poison, Flying, Grass, Fire, Normal, Water. There's more than those types after all. Ice, Dark, Ghost, Dragon, Ground, Rock, and Bug haven't been used outside of Pokeballs. That is, the character's type, not some moves. I think most of the moves have been repped.

 

[JavaCroc]

@Chronobound: Can you provide the link to the source where Sakurai stated his lack of interest in Wario before Wario Ware? Thanks.

Sorry, I'm just wondering. If you can't find a link, just say so.




Anyways, how would people feel if in Adventure Mode, we get true Nintendo enemies, but the world only turns out to be a composite of elements of Nintendo worlds and not a combination of actual real Nintendo worlds themselves?

[COLLAPSE="IMO..."]Honestly, if it lets the team build a world equal to the scale and quality of Nehrim, then I'm all for it. But it must include elements of other Nintendo worlds, of course.[/COLLAPSE]

 

[OmegaXXII]

Yeah, I wonder which moves should get in in terms of Mewtwo?

Edit- A steel type or even flying type would be very appealing, it would add a different style of play that has yet to be seen.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yeah, I wonder which moves should get in in terms of Mewtwo?

Something not Dark Type? Also, want to know why he couldn't deal much damage with most of his moves? He got no STAB bonus.

Okay, that was bad, but yeah, he could've been made better. Also, I've been reading many threads, and I can't help but laugh at people saying Brawl was balanced based upon 4 players with all items and stages. Same with zero items and 1 on 1. Nobody knows how it was meant to be balanced. All we know is that Sakurai specifically balanced it. That's it. We also know that he was appealing more to the casual crowd, sooo....

Lucario is Steel/Fighting. Charizard is Fire/Flying. We had both types before, King. They're just not terribly noticeable compared to say... Pidgeot or Metagross.