*NEW* matchup discussion week #6: Wario!

[DEHF]

Larry, can you confirm my writeup? =/

Everything you said is right except the thing about bair having a hitbox on the top of his head xD

Also, if Wario doesn't know the chain grab it might be close to 65-35

 

[clowsui]

sky isn't in the fbr because he didn't start posting here until now

post here more than once in a million years and i'm almost certain bleachigo will add you as a norcal rep

 

[Sky`]

Larry, Try it. Have Wario above you, and Dair, and just Bair. It hits him.
third best falco duh **** ban mk
>=/

 

[DEHF]

 

[clowsui]

**** that fd texture is sick lmao

 

[Sky`]

Ugh.
Larry.
You are a big Dummy head.
I'll prove it to you right now!
みせるからね！
>=/

Edit: <=/
Fixt.

 

[Denzi]

This is stupid. No way there's a hitbox on Falco's head xD

I'd agree with 55:45 Falco.

 

[DEHF]

Ugh.
Larry.
You are a big Dummy head.

I know you are, but what am I =P

 

[clowsui]

LOL larry third grade mode!?

in any case i'm going to play/mm blue rogue tomorrow and tell you guys how it goes.

 

[Sky`]

This is stupid. No way there's a hitbox on Falco's head xD

I'd agree with 55:45 Falco.

Ugh, you guys are missing the point.

The Hitbox may not be there, but if you Bair right Below Wario as he's jumping, it will hit him. That's the Theme of what I was trying to get across.

Sweating the small details, You falco's really need to start looking at the bigger picture. =P

And it's in no way that close. X]

 

[DEHF]

Okay so stages. Our best stage to play Wario is FD, I think the Worse is RC. I'm not too sure about the in between, Smashville would be our second best and I'm torn between Lylat/Brinstar being our second worse.

 

[Sky`]

^^ Your falco is Fat. So Brinstar would be your worst. :]

 

[Denzi]

LOL larry third grade mode!?

in any case i'm going to play/mm blue rogue tomorrow and tell you guys how it goes.

Space well, don't get grabbed circa 50%, Watch out for Bite and fsmash nonsense, careful when attacking shield, mix up recovery, switch between camping and atticking.

^my advice vs Wario (it's really general, but still).

 

[Sky`]

I don't see any situation where you should be 'aggro'. =P That is, if you're aiming to win.

 

[DEHF]

I've concluded that Brinstar is a lot better Lylat since falco has more guaranteed grab releases on him on that stage, it's smaller, and it's more difficult for him to do his chain grab on that stage.

I think the stages from best to worst go like this: FD, SV, YS, BF, PS, Brinstar, Halberd, Frigate, CS, Lylat ,Delfino RC.

 

[Sky`]

Larry, how could you think that Delfino is bad for Falco?

>=/

 

[LiL.Will]

Should Bair be used as more of a defensive move or should it be saved as a killing move during the match? Also is Falco good at edgeguarding good Warios?

 

[BetaZealot]

FD is sooo good versus Wario.

I train with BMX(respectable wario main from md/va) almost every day. We go even, but I became more familiar with the matchup. Lasers are so good.

SHDL'ing

they can't attack you, so they have to approach.

so they'll shield, spotdodge, roll or jump and airdodge.

I just punish that approach.

Jab, ftilt, utilt, oos bair.

I think it's 60-40 falco or better.

 

[BleachigoZX]

Camp under platforms. I think it is a very hard MU for Wario.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

platforms are indeed lethal to wario.

try standing under the halberd platform, wario aint got ****, lol.

 

[BleachigoZX]

I beat Malcolm a month ago but he didn't know to CG, so idk what to say.

Nair, Utilt is a solid defense against Wario.

 

[erick gm14]

staying under a platform wont help much xD. on BF they can hit u with their dair through the platform.. u can duck but all falco has under a platform thats Safe is nair. Mu is even. laser, cg, utilt their Ad, and laser./..

 

[gunterrsmash01]

I've concluded that Brinstar is a lot better Lylat since falco has more guaranteed grab releases on him on that stage, it's smaller, and it's more difficult for him to do his chain grab on that stage.

I think the stages from best to worst go like this: FD, SV, YS, BF, PS, Brinstar, Halberd, Frigate, CS, Lylat ,Delfino RC.

Can u explain the grab releases on brinstar

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

grab release when youre on a higher level then wario, and he will air release, get free usmash/fsmash/dair etc

 

[BleachigoZX]

staying under a platform wont help much xD. on BF they can hit u with their dair through the platform.. u can duck but all falco has under a platform thats Safe is nair. Mu is even. laser, cg, utilt their Ad, and laser./..

Exactly stay low, since he only approach with Dair, intercept it with Nair. He can also drop through and Uair if you get predictable but you can just shield grab.

 

[Pierce7d]

lol, Falco ***** Wario no contest. Wario loses in all regards except weight and knockback, but you have so many guaranteed shenanigans AND broken walls, AND Wario fails to lasers?

Yeah okay.

 

[BleachigoZX]

Pierce (Ewww, I haven't called you that in a while ) why is that a question?

I'm sure we both know that was a solid statement.

 

[Pierce7d]

Pierce (Ewww, I haven't called you that in a while ) why is that a question?

I'm sure we both know that was a solid statement.

You can still call me Dan on the boards, many do, lol.

Also, it was more of a question like, "why are we rediscussing this awful MU?"

 

[BleachigoZX]

You can still call me Dan on the boards, many do, lol.

Also, it was more of a question like, "why are we rediscussing this awful MU?"

Oh, I have this whole strange Brawl culture respect thingy where IRL = Real Names, The Boards = SN.


And, oh...these boards just BLOW!

*runs*

 

[dainbramage]

Our lasers have infinite range bleachigo, you'll never get away.

 

[Anonymous Brawler]

Our lasers have infinite range bleachigo, you'll never get away.

Actually, the laser will stop after a certain distance, but he is too slow anyway.

 

[Typ_Ex]

sky isn't in the fbr because he didn't start posting here until now

post here more than once in a million years and i'm almost certain bleachigo will add you as a norcal rep

i rarely posted here before i got in.

 

[clowsui]

i forgot about that :/

i played BR, he switched to ics on me in bracket after he almost lost on his CP in pools (frigate game 3)

 

[PhantomX]

I've concluded that Brinstar is a lot better Lylat since falco has more guaranteed grab releases on him on that stage, it's smaller, and it's more difficult for him to do his chain grab on that stage.

I think the stages from best to worst go like this: FD, SV, YS, BF, PS, Brinstar, Halberd, Frigate, CS, Lylat ,Delfino RC.

Actually, the CG is easier to do on the slanted areas of Brinstar for us because people don't go as far (we can even CG/Regrab characters we can't CG on slants) after the dthrows.

Also, Brinstar has that danger factor when the lava comes up b/c you lose room to run.

 

[DEHF]

Actually, the CG is easier to do on the slanted areas of Brinstar for us because people don't go as far (we can even CG/Regrab characters we can't CG on slants) after the dthrows.

Also, Brinstar has that danger factor when the lava comes up b/c you lose room to run.

You can still do it on Brinstar but it's much harder since it's dependent on where you grab Falco on the stage. If Falco is grabbed and is d thrown on a slanted area going up, then it is much easier to do. If the slanted area is going down, then it most likely won't work.

Falco not having room isn't a problem for him in this match up, he shouldn't be running away.

 

[Typ_Ex]

he shouldn't be running away.

this .

also, beware of air camping on brinstar.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

this .

also, beware of air camping on brinstar.

Grab a percent or stock lead and watch Wario AirCamp himself into defeat

 

[BleachigoZX]

Nah Falco straightout does everything better than Wario except kill and clock out on certain stages.

We hit 6 the entire match-up!

 

[Lord Chair]

Dair through platform? What? Do 6% damage, suffer landing lag, get punished by a 13% bair/dair?

What?

Wario ain't got **** when you're spamming utilt/nair/laser under a platform, it'll probably end up with him pulling all sorts of tricks that aren't supposed to work and, for some reason, actually work out pretty well.

People saying Wario has got nothing on Falco are what they are (no further elaboration required, really). Wario is very much capable of preventing stuff of happening to him, and is rather capable of keeping Falco in a bad spot once he gets him there (fthrow, uair, dair, high percent nair). Wario's CG doesn't change the MU all that much if at all, it's just not consistent enough.

No offense to you Pierce/Dan (I think I'll call you Dan), but to what extent do you know this matchup so well that you can actually drop in and exclaim that Falco ***** Wario? As for Larry, what?

 

[PhantomX]

Larry, you realize that getting Falco out from under his hiding places is probably the hardest thing in this matchup? Force you to come out from safer areas into tighter/open spaces is like, the entire goal for us... as in most matchups, sadly :\

We're more at a disadvantage grounded/right in front/45 degrees in front of you than anywhere else.