Binx
Smash Master
I am confident that Ice Climbers are my best character, and it does indeed make a difference. This is the confidence gimpy has, but he doesn't believe bowser should be higher Tier, although I do think IC should move up one above falcon but eh.
But I am very confident that Marth is a better character overall and has less bad match ups. Hense why everyone under the sun is using him lately.
I dont think of the infinite as an infinite I think of it as a 40-death gimp. Same as a 4% shine spike on falcon, or 20% throw poke spike from Marth. Or Marth's chainthrow vs Spacies. Sheiks grab vs half the cast. Ice Climbers grabs are powerful the wobbles is arguably their best grab move, but even still the character itself is STILL at a disadvantage in many match ups, in fact vs Marth and Peach there aren't even viable grab combos when you do manage to grab them.
Since you are so keen on showing videos that only prove your side of the argument, this may be an eye opener to the don't get grabbed.
Azen vs Chu (battlefield)
Chu Dat vs Azen's Marth on Congo
Notice the ammount of potential wobbles in both of these matches combined was 1 that one wobble was during the second match at over 100% where chu chose to get the kill with a grab smash making that potential wobble irrelivant.
Ice climbers have very poor aerial mobility they dont have a lot of directions they can take things in the air, you limit their choices, and often you make them desynch while jumping around after you. Azen knows how to fight against ICs, he knows how to not get grabbed, and he is on Chu's level of play so this is a better example than watching Chu play people he is better than.
And since you cant seem to think of a match where he beat a good player with Pika, I've seen Chu counter pick Cort with Pikachu on Mute City during EVO. Also he counter picked Ken's Marth with Young Link and took Ken down to 1 stock, YL for top Tier I guess.
But I am very confident that Marth is a better character overall and has less bad match ups. Hense why everyone under the sun is using him lately.
I dont think of the infinite as an infinite I think of it as a 40-death gimp. Same as a 4% shine spike on falcon, or 20% throw poke spike from Marth. Or Marth's chainthrow vs Spacies. Sheiks grab vs half the cast. Ice Climbers grabs are powerful the wobbles is arguably their best grab move, but even still the character itself is STILL at a disadvantage in many match ups, in fact vs Marth and Peach there aren't even viable grab combos when you do manage to grab them.
Since you are so keen on showing videos that only prove your side of the argument, this may be an eye opener to the don't get grabbed.
Azen vs Chu (battlefield)
Chu Dat vs Azen's Marth on Congo
Notice the ammount of potential wobbles in both of these matches combined was 1 that one wobble was during the second match at over 100% where chu chose to get the kill with a grab smash making that potential wobble irrelivant.
Ice climbers have very poor aerial mobility they dont have a lot of directions they can take things in the air, you limit their choices, and often you make them desynch while jumping around after you. Azen knows how to fight against ICs, he knows how to not get grabbed, and he is on Chu's level of play so this is a better example than watching Chu play people he is better than.
And since you cant seem to think of a match where he beat a good player with Pika, I've seen Chu counter pick Cort with Pikachu on Mute City during EVO. Also he counter picked Ken's Marth with Young Link and took Ken down to 1 stock, YL for top Tier I guess.
