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New Character: Zelda.

blinkd

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So, in that sense, I wouldn't mind if Sheik returns, but (going back to my original statement) I would definitely want them emphasizing some dependence upon Zelda for Sheik. I would rather Sheik not be in at all then have Zelda's alter ego overshadow her again.[/QUOTE]


yeah, it would definetly make sense if you actualy had to use zelda rather than just killing with sheik. I think zelda will be a better characterin the new smash.
 

ClarkJables

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it would be nice if they could figure out how to better balance out shiek and zelda, oh well ima making noodles
 

RBinator

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Link also inexplicably fights like his OoT self in Melee. Funnily enough, he's the same person in 64 and Melee, but fights differently in both. Huh.
That still doesn't explain why Zelda in Melee and Brawl fight very similar when their both based off different Zeldas from tLoZ games. Yes, Link was pretty much based off the same Link in both the original Smash and Melee, but he wasn't the only one who had moves changed. A few others like Mario and Captain Falcon had moves changed too. However, I'm not really sure if it's fair to compare Link. The different Links seem to share a lot more in common with each other then the different Zeldas. All Links have at least some sort of bombs, arrows, and boomerang. The Zeldas on the other hand, seem to have a much bigger range on what they do, if anything besides getting captured (at least in the older tLoZ games).

Those two Zelda reps, Link and Zelda, are a strange subject. They keep being reborn, in a way. They LOOK similar... so it's not far-fetched for them to act similarly.
However, they ARE different people if you care about the established timeline.
My point was how people stressed so much about OoT Zelda and TP Zelda being as if they were two totally different people (well in a way, they are, but at the same time, not), yet I don't see people complaining about the TP based Zelda in Brawl fighting like the OoT based Zelda from Melee, when suchs spells never existed in TP. They say how those simple spells could have been passed on, but say a transformation couldn't have.

However, how much of this story connection will be taken into factor in Brawl, a non-canon game to every series in it? Now that we seem to know for sure Brawl is gonna have a storyline, this seems to be way up in the air with how this will all be done. There's still the "their trophies" factor, which could mean they could have various degrees of how close they match the originals, some closer then others. In other words, do we even have enough proof for the debate to go anyway that's not in circles?

OoT Zelda herself never fought much besides holding Ganon in place with a beam of light. Her moveset in Melee is a generic "Zelda" moveset not specific to her character in OoT, besides Sheik.
I don't know if this really counts for much at all, but her B moves were based off of spells from OoT, all different then how they were used by Link. I'm not really so sure if that could be considered generic or not seen I don't recall those spells in other Zelda games. Of course, this doesn't change the fact that she did transform into Sheik within the game, unlike the OoT spells given to her in Melee. That's why I'm not sure if this bit I'm saying counts for much at all.

One could argue that the Goddess spells used by Link in OoT are ties to OoT, and I agree. But there's no reason why TP Zelda would not have access to them, as these spells are probably passed on throughout the royal family, and the Goddesses, being immortal, are consistent throughout the whole series.

Sheik, on the other hand, is VERY specific to Ocarina of Time Zelda, and this Zelda we have in Brawl, is NOT her. It's probably the one from TP, or simply a generic one, but she has no more ties to Sheik than she does to Tetra.
So you say those spells could easily be pased on right? Who's to say transformation spells can't be either? Before "what other Zeldas besides OoT and TWW Zelda transformed?" comes up, well, what other Zeldas used the OoT spells? If the Zelda in Brawl was given spells that the other Zeldas didn't have, then why couldn't she also be given a transformation too? How come they have to limit themselves to just one Zelda? Just because the Zelda in Brawl is designed to look like a particular Zelda doesn't mean they have to limit themselves to that particular Zelda's canon and moves displayed in her own game.

Now on another note...

I have a feeling the developers won't overlook the massive lack of balance between Zelda and Sheik if she returned again. Simply making Sheik her own character slot alone doesn't change the fact that those two are still very unbalanced from each other and that Zelda could still be overlooked. Heck, I could see Zelda being overshadowed more if she could transform into a much more broken character. I expect Zelda will be buffed up and Sheik nurfed. After all, did they not nurf Sheik (and a few others) on the PAL verison of Melee? I think their aware of the poor character balance issues between the two. I'll be hard pressed to believe they wouldn't change the returning characters for Brawl.
 

Sgt.Frog

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Doesn't Zelda look BEAUTIFUL in SSBB?
I can't wait to play as her. I've always been a Sheik fanboy, and always used Sheik, but recently i've just been using Zelda, who I always thought was crap. She's so underrated. I heart her more than Sheik now
 

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Farore Wind looks awesome >_< Peach and Zelda will most likely be my mains again (along with Kirby).
 

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I think it looks cooler >_<
 

tstumo

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I personally dont want shiek in. mainly because Zelda hardly got used in melee which is messed up and very dissapointing I think. this is sakurai's chance to make Zelda a worthy contender so i'm really hoping that Shiek was just updated for a cutscene lol or maybe and hopefully an AT. and it doesnt make sense to have this Zelda transform into her.
 

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I personally dont want shiek in. mainly because Zelda hardly got used in melee which is messed up and very dissapointing I think. this is sakurai's chance to make Zelda a worthy contender so i'm really hoping that Shiek was just updated for a cutscene lol or maybe and hopefully an AT. and it doesnt make sense to have this Zelda transform into her.
If Sheik makes it in I think that if they balanced her with Zelda then maybe it would work out better. Sakurai has said he's trying to make the game as balanced as possible.
 

puffy007

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the article all but confirms sheik. yea, she could be an AT, which is actually a feasible alternative, but i dont think they would go to "tweaking" the look of a character like that.

OR

sheik could be a FS for zelda????
 

Roorii

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Hopefully, we'll see her Final Smash making use of her *SPOILER*
Light Arrows
*SPOILER* from Twilight Princess.
It'd only make sense.
 

Roorii

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Ah, sorry, I'll edit right away... I'm just suprised that not everyone has finished it ^^;
 

Wreked

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Yeah
light arrows
seems like the only logical FS for Zelda and maybe the
trifroce
,
silver777.
 

xianfeng

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She's never been a brunette before as far as I can remember (keep in mind my first zelda game was OoT) but she sure can pull it off. This new model looks really nice for her, I suppose we can assume Sheik is gone.
 

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This past week has seen the official introduction of The Subspace Emissary, the game's new Adventure Mode – as well as the reconfirmation of Princess Peach through the video that accompanied that blog post, and the reconfirmation of Sheik and Ganondorf through a recent interview with Nintendo's Zelda series master, Eiji Aonuma.
Blam :p heres the main part of the article
 

Baamage

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Is is just me or is the Smash team purposely trying to make the Zelda in this game have bigger boobs and more cleavage?

oh well I don't go for pixels anyways

Shiek... Is a ninja. That's all I can really say without making thousands of fanboys and fangirls and fanvestites to flame me

anyways Zelda is cool and her FS should be one of the things that others are saying and I don't know how to do.
 

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Isn't this, like, about Zelda?

Oh well.

Personally, I don't want to see Ganondorf with his sword.
Why?
He doesn't even NEED it!
He should fight without any weapons and all of his attacks should be similar to his current neutral A jab.
That would just scream "I am so much more powerful than you that I'm not even bothering to fight seriously and when you KO me I'm only doing you a favor so you don't run crying to your momma."


Besides, if he was given realistic strength plus the range and disjointed hitbox of a sword, he would have to be given some serious weaknesses to balance him out.
 

Gindor

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well zelda is related to ganon, story wise, so getting this out of subject isn't that bad.

If ganon kept using his limbs, they would have to change the original to stop the cloneness, and that would be just cheap to take away CF's style
Plus, everyone else from the zelda series is going TP, why not ganon?
 

LukeFonFabre

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I have to agree with Fawriel somewhat, while I don't mind the idea of him getting a sword (though I'd rather he got a sword that wasn't the sword of sages), he does have a lot more to offer such as magic and could still remain a somewhat physical character. I really don't think he needs a sword to be revamped, just as long as he remains similar to his melee style (in being a slow but powerful and heavy character).

Plus, If Zelda doesn't bring her rapier despite being in TP style, I don't see why Ganondorf has to bring his sword either.

As for Zelda, hopefully Sakurai gives her the power she was meant to have in melee to compensate for her lack of mobility.
 

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If ganon kept using his limbs, they would have to change the original to stop the cloneness, and that would be just cheap to take away CF's style
Plus, everyone else from the zelda series is going TP, why not ganon?
.................... non-sequiturs?
Ganon will get completely different moves. Half his current ones don't make any sense.
And what does his TP style have to do with any of this? ...oh, you mean the sword? Well, Zelda didn't get her rapier, either...
 

Gindor

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Good point (@ last post, I'm a slow typer), and it might upset the ganon mainers...

Yes, but that was not zelda's rapier, she was possesed
and floated around in the same style that ganon did with his swords, even his ball of light move was used. She was possessed by ganon, so that wasn't really her rapier or style.
plus ganon should keep that sword over others, he is a theif, and it is in character. the other sword that you could hack or see in his victory poses would be a good second choice.
 

LukeFonFabre

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It's a holy sword though. Even if he did steal it, I think it'd be better if he got his own sword for Brawl should he use one.
 

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The sword doesn't really fit Ganon in Brawl, unless they use half of his moveset for his sword, and half physical. If Black Night makes an appearance in Brawl Ganon should not have a sword, there will be enough sword-users.
 
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