Ness is out: Come and help those in denial...

[Meta_Sonic64]

I hope Ness is an unlockable to pay homage to SB64, along with the other original unlockables

sticker! for brawl!

Why of course, I'm sure Ness will be an unlockable some way or another lmao

 

[Collective of Bears]

I hope Ness is an unlockable to pay homage to SB64, along with the other original unlockables

for brawl!

Apparently you can't handle the truth and want to continue denying it by changing the subject. Ness for not Brawl.

 

[DeuceBlade]

Why of course, I'm sure Ness will be an unlockable some way or another lmao

Thats your opinion, and while I don't agree with it, don't worry I won't insult you - Keep discussing Ness guys, lets build hope!

for brawl!

Apparently you can't handle the truth and want to continue denying it by changing the subject. Ness for not Brawl.

By changing the subject you actually mean feed into the trolls, and flamers.

I won't respond to people if they are going to be immature and post mockings of my post, I know its rare to find someone who isn't into "forum fighting" but don't fear, Im here.

 

[Collective of Bears]

I won't respond to people if they are going to be immature and post mockings of my post, I know its rare to find someone who isn't into "forum fighting" but don't fear, Im here.

Flaming and Trolling? We're using common sense here. It's YOU who is the immature one.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Maybe once I get your FC and pwn you you'll come back to your senses.

 

[DarkDeoxys26]

Lol. This seriously is going nowhere. None of you Ness haters believe you are wrong, neither do we. And the truth is, the next Ness haters' post is going to have something like, "We don't believe we're wrong because we aren't wrong, nub." And yes, I said it myself, because it's obvious. It's been obvious for a couple of days now. What you say are good arguements and bad arguements are your opinions. You can say Mother 3 this and Ness is old and Lucas is new and "up until now rofl" and call them good arguements, and I can say DeuceBlade's 's are good arguements. I seriously don't see your point MS64. Tell us we're in denial of the truth, and I can say the same about you. You don't think Ness is in, which means you're in denial, because we also have good arguements. That is derived from YOUR logic.

 

[Cosine]

why the heck do you people who want Ness so bad care so much. I mean Lucas pretty much is Ness, its like me complaining that the Ocarina of Time Link should still be in the game, I mean the small changes in his move set are the changes Ness would have gotten, I mean they could just put Ness as an alternate color or something and you couldn't tell the difference

 

[RedMage8BT]

Sakurai actually made it a point to stress how DIFFERENT Lucas is from Ness. His special moves and size are pretty much the only similarity from what I can see, and even the special moves aren't exactly the same.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Lol. This seriously is going nowhere. None of you Ness haters believe you are wrong, neither do we. And the truth is, the next Ness haters' post is going to have something like, "We don't believe we're wrong because we aren't wrong, nub." And yes, I said it myself, because it's obvious. It's been obvious for a couple of days now. What you say are good arguements and bad arguements are your opinions. You can say Mother 3 this and Ness is old and Lucas is new and "up until now rofl" and call them good arguements, and I can say DeuceBlade's 's are good arguements. I seriously don't see your point MS64. Tell us we're in denial of the truth, and I can say the same about you. You don't think Ness is in, which means you're in denial, because we also have good arguements. That is derived from YOUR logic.

Lol. Our post are nothing like that, atleast mine doesn't contain the word nub and mine does have counters and good points. All we get from the Ness supporters is "Ness for Brawl" and whether you like it or not, your arguments are bad. FACTS: Mother 3 IS TAKING PRECEDENCE, "Up Until Now" doesn't help Ness if you consider different factors, He was SUPPOSED TO BE REPLACED, but couldn't due to a delay. Now Sakurai actaully has the chance to put the replacement in to the reality that he couldn't do years ago. These are all facts that YOU and DB can't get into your heads. Not opinions. Your arguments are not good, you guys have gone from things like comparing Mario and Luigi with people like Ness to other things that lack basic logic. Face the truth!

 

[vesperview]

Sakurai actually made it a point to stress how DIFFERENT Lucas is from Ness. His special moves and size are pretty much the only similarity from what I can see, and even the special moves aren't exactly the same.

Maybe he doesn't one people to think that he was a lazy idiot who just gave the exact same moveset to the replacement, believe me there are plenty of possibilities.

 

[Collective of Bears]

You don't think Ness is in, which means you're in denial, because we also have good arguements. That is derived from YOUR logic.

Like? the only real argument I've seen so far is "Ness for Brawl "

 

[DeuceBlade]

why the heck do you people who want Ness so bad care so much. I mean Lucas pretty much is Ness, its like me complaining that the Ocarina of Time Link should still be in the game, I mean the small changes in his move set are the changes Ness would have gotten, I mean they could just put Ness as an alternate color or something and you couldn't tell the difference

Although I don't agree with some of this, you do bring up a good point that can be used alternatively, for it is the people who believe Ness is out that are the ones who care so much.. all they needed to believe he was out was for Sakurai's translator to say "up until now", they could have gone on to other threads and what not... but nope

They decide to troll, and flame any thread/post that supports Ness' inclusion in brawl, now theres nothing wrong with starting a debate about Ness' inclusion.. but it becomes rather immature when you have to insult someone just because they don't see things the way you do.

I try not to respond to the trolls after they start insulting because its just sad to watch, and participate in it. We believe Ness still has a chance, They believe hes already out... Well go ahead and believe what you wish (I really don't mind), but don't whine, and complain to people that hes out over and over again.

oh, and for what I don't agree with.. you say that Lucas' moves would have been Ness' I think your jumping to conclusions with that.. because on the Dojo Sakurai clearly states that Lucas' moves are different from Ness'. This means that Sakurai wanted to give Lucas his own identity and make him not just Ness with a different look, this could also mean Ness' moveset is reserved for him.

But thats just my speculation and Im not jumping to any conclusions.

 

[courte]

anyone who thinks he's out will be surprised
anyone who is truly loyal should have not trouble proving ourselves to flamers

 

[DarkDeoxys26]

Lol. Our post are nothing like that, atleast mine doesn't contain the word nub and mine does have counters and good points. All we get from the Ness supporters is "Ness for Brawl" and whether you like it or not, your arguments are bad. FACTS: Mother 3 IS TAKING PRECEDENCE, "Up Until Now" doesn't help Ness if you consider different factors, He was SUPPOSED TO BE REPLACED, but couldn't due to a delay. Now Sakurai actaully has the chance to put the replacement in to the reality that he couldn't do years ago. These are all facts that YOU and DB can't get into your heads. Not opinions. Your arguments are not good, you guys have gone from things like comparing Mario and Luigi with people like Ness to other things that lack basic logic. Face the truth!

No, no... The FACT is that Sakurai said the words "Up until now." The FACT that YOU make it is the fact that Ness is deconfirmed. The FACT is that Lucas was SUPPOSED the replace Ness. The FACT that YOU make it is the fact that Lucas is replacing Ness. The FACT is that Mother 3 is out now, and Lucas is the representative of Mother 3. The FACT that YOU make it is that there is no way for SSBB to have two representative fore Earthbound, and that Ness if definately out. Well you know the facts are in our heads now that I just restated them. And Lol, at the "nub" part, that was just a little extra that I felt like putting on. You don't literally say it like that, you describe. Look at what you just posted, our arguements are bad and yours are right? That's material for ME to laugh my *** off at. That is an opinion, no matter how much you think it is a fact. Saying something is good or bad is completelu opinion-based, unless you were saying that "g-o-o-d" is "good," or something like that. You face the truth, I can pretty much say anything you say. And don't clump DB and I together, I'm not saying I don't like DB, I'm just saying that I don't say "Ness for Brawl," maybe never excluding this sentence. I also like how you basically count up the times DB posted that and count it as ALWAYS posting that instead of looking at the depth of his actual post. I can actually tell you, that was an opinion, which you could never admit as one of your sayings. Lol, hi.

 

[vesperview]

Too bad that this avatar I made a year ago, came true, at least that's how I felt.

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

Aww I remember that Avatar... you had it in your sig. I remember someone criticizing(sp?) the statement for the way it was written... and you exploded. Heh, good times.

And DarkDeoxys, you should just stop asking "Why can't Mother get 2 reps?" It probably can't. Who's to say Ness would be one of them either way?

 

[DeuceBlade]

It is sad that people are so narrow minded and jump to conclusions about Ness' chances in brawl, I still see him having quite a good chance, but I do know he has some things against him, I admit that.. but he always has good things going for him!

for brawl!

 

[DarkDeoxys26]

Aww I remember that Avatar... you had it in your sig. I remember someone criticizing(sp?) the statement for the way it was written... and you exploded. Heh, good times.

And DarkDeoxys, you should just stop asking "Why can't Mother get 2 reps?" It probably can't. Who's to say Ness would be one of them either way?

:D I believe in Ness either way.

 

[NukeA6]

Ness for Brawl!

And don't argue with me! He's more famous than Mario and existed longer than Nintendo!

 

[DeuceBlade]

Ness for Brawl!

And don't argue with me! He's more famous than Mario and existed longer than Nintendo!

The top picture is clearly fake, and the bottom picture was proven fake by the son of the photographer who took it (The son was there when the picture was taken), So actually lochNess has not existed longer than Nintendo because it does not exist with actual evidence.

and please stay on topic, this has nothing to do with Mario or your favorite mythical creature, its about Ness a nintendo Character.

for brawl!

 

[Egret]

The top picture is clearly fake, and the bottom picture was proven fake by the son of the photographer who took it (The son was there when the picture was taken), So actually lochNess has not existed longer than Nintendo because it does not exist with actual evidence.

and please stay on topic, this has nothing to do with Mario or your favorite mythical creature, its about Ness a nintendo Character.

for brawl!

OMG guyz, what's a joke?

 

[OysterMeister]

I'm pretty sure the name is Nessie, not Ness. It's the Lock Ness monster, but the name of the thing is Nessie.

 

[Mega-Ridley-Knight-Man]

It is sad that people are so narrow minded and jump to conclusions about Ness' chances in brawl, I still see him having quite a good chance, but I do know he has some things against him, I admit that.. but he always has good things going for him!

for brawl!

Jump to conclusions? Sakurai pretty much concluded this for us.

Narrow minded? How about you stop being so narrow minded and realize that Ness does not have good chances and he is more than likely out!

The so called facts people have are debateable (obviously)

"up until now deconfirms NEss11!1" - up until now has been used for other updates and does not directly deconfirm him, it depends on how you see it, imo it doesn't deconfirm him ( I don't jump to conclusions)

"Lucas moveset deconfirms Ness" - once again they are not the exact same moves, even Sakurai took his time out to show and explain the differences, I mean Sakurai why bring it up right? hes deconfirmed -.-, its debateable and to me the Lucas moveset makes Ness' chances higher.

"Sakurai wanted to replace Ness with lucas in melee" - That was 6 years ago, Brawl will have a larger roster, Lucas is already in which means if Sakurai decides to keep him he could since what he original intended is already in.

"Ness is out cause Sakurai is only focusing on Mother 3" - Yeah he is focusing on Mother 3, and if he wanted he could include some stuff from mother 2.. "Past stages: Onett", Ness could become unlockable.

"Lucas is superior to Ness" - Really? hopefully Ness will be in brawl and then we will really see whose superior.

"Lucas is cooler then Ness, his hair look at his frekin awesome hair!!!" - I prefer baseball caps

These are just a bunch of questions I usually get from the same people over and over.. I'm sure people will flame my answers, but these are the same exact people who constantly say "you never have pointz to our argumentz"

Enjoy

1. The "Up until now" in the other updates are not used in the same context and are usually followed by a "But" which you fail to see.

2. Their move sets are exactly the same with a few tweaks here and there, they are very much cloned, and why would Sakurai point out the difference?... Why the **** wouldn't he?

3. Sakurai wanted to replace Ness with Lucas 6 years ago but he couldn't because Lucas's game wasn't out, but no it is and Ness has become redundant.

4. Sakurai could also not put in Ness! See I am using the same "Logic" as you!

5. Lucas is superior to Ness in every way, why don't you try playing their games and actually realize that.

6. Ha ha ha *sigh* you make up arguments and the ones that you haven't made up you use ****ty responses that don't really serve a purpose.

And no my friend, just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean that they are flaming you, no matter how ignorant and naive you are.

Or in your language:

 

[Zenigame]

1. The "Up until now" in the other updates are not used in the same context and are usually followed by a "But" which you fail to see.

There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, and Lucas is very similar. They are from the same family of PK users.

But Lucas’s physical combat style is quite different. By which I mean, he does not have the same standard moves.

I see a "But".

 

[Mega-Ridley-Knight-Man]

The but was talking about his moves, not Ness.

 

[DeuceBlade]

Jump to conclusions? Sakurai pretty much concluded this for us.

Narrow minded? How about you stop being so narrow minded and realize that Ness does not have good chances and he is more than likely out!



1. The "Up until now" in the other updates are not used in the same context and are usually followed by a "But" which you fail to see.

2. Their move sets are exactly the same with a few tweaks here and there, they are very much cloned, and why would Sakurai point out the difference?... Why the **** wouldn't he?

3. Sakurai wanted to replace Ness with Lucas 6 years ago but he couldn't because Lucas's game wasn't out, but no it is and Ness has become redundant.

4. Sakurai could also not put in Ness! See I am using the same "Logic" as you!

5. Lucas is superior to Ness in every way, why don't you try playing their games and actually realize that.

6. Ha ha ha *sigh* you make up arguments and the ones that you haven't made up you use ****ty responses that don't really serve a purpose.

And no my friend, just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean that they are flaming you, no matter how ignorant and naive you are.

Or in your language:

1- Thats just one way of looking at it, and obviously you can not see more than one way of looking at things.

2- Oh yes.. there A moves which make up more than 50% of a moveset is completely different but having similar specials (which work differently except for PK thunder) make them have the same complete moveset.. but with tweaks... lol, thats your opinion.

3- Yes Lucas is already in brawl... because Sakurai wanted him in... does this mean he replaces Ness? maybe.. we don't know.. Sakurai hasn't stated "This is lucas.. he is replacing Ness in brawl".

4- Playing the Mother series has no effect on who would be superior this is just your own biased opinion.. if we went by this logic Mewtwo would have been far "superior" to the rest of the pokemon..

Your right just because someone doesn't agree with what I think doesn't make them a flamer... but its when people insult, and criticize me or any Ness supporter just for supporting him, thats flaming.. and its quite evident in both Ness threads, you would have known that if you didn't jump to conclusions like the rest of the flamers.

Your calling me naive and ignorant because I believe he has a chance, hypocrite much?

for brawl!

 

[finalark]

It is sad that people are so narrow minded and jump to conclusions about Ness' chances in brawl, I still see him having quite a good chance, but I do know he has some things against him, I admit that.. but he always has good things going for him!

for brawl!

Conclusions?

Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now

Ness appeared until now

Why does more need to be said?

 

[courte]

to make haters like you sweat

 

[finalark]

I loved Ness, he was one of my Melee mains. I'm just not going to be foolish enough to put myself into denial.

 

[The Kirby Kong]

I loved Ness, he was one of my Melee mains. I'm just not going to be foolish enough to put myself into denial.

I think you're just afraid to have any hope, and seeing that hope get crushed if he DOES get removed.

 

[finalark]

Hope? All hope was shot down when he said "until now." And he is gone, just face the truth.

 

[The Kirby Kong]

Hope? All hope was shot down when he said "until now." And he is gone, just face the truth.

Yes he might be gone, but if you knew a thing or two about language you'd know that "until now" can be read in two ways.

 

[DarkDeoxys26]

OMG guyz, what's a joke?

OMG guyz, what's spam?

Jump to conclusions? Sakurai pretty much concluded this for us.

Narrow minded? How about you stop being so narrow minded and realize that Ness does not have good chances and he is more than likely out!
Because Ness does have a good chance ;D Narrow-minded is not believing in something, narrow-minded is jumping to conclusions. We DO NOT, DO NOT KNOW Ness is in SSBB, we believe and hope so. You guys say you DO KNOW, when it's not clearly proven, which I mean in exact words.


1. The "Up until now" in the other updates are not used in the same context and are usually followed by a "But" which you fail to see.

2. Their move sets are exactly the same with a few tweaks here and there, they are very much cloned, and why would Sakurai point out the difference?... Why the **** wouldn't he?
Let me teach you the difference between the words "similar" and "congruent" that my math teacher taught me :D Similar means they are "alike," they are in no way identical, they are just "alike." Congruent/Exactly the same as you described yourself. Now look at Sakurai's statement in the Lucas update, this is a THOROUGH statement.

But Lucas’s physical combat style is quite different. By which I mean, he does not have the same standard moves.

3. Sakurai wanted to replace Ness with Lucas 6 years ago but he couldn't because Lucas's game wasn't out, but no it is and Ness has become redundant.
That was 6 years ago. Did yo uwant to buy the same shirt you did 6 years ago? No, thoughts and opinions change, and that means your so-called facts do too. Even if it was for the reason that Lucas's game wasn't out, he could still change his opinion. Now that SSBB has a smashing (lol *shot*) amount of characters, which I'm assuming since the game is not out (which also would be the only prove that could tell us Ness is out otherwise), he could give the happy inclusion of both characters. There are many possibilities, be we do not know.

4. Sakurai could also not put in Ness! See I am using the same "Logic" as you!
Good for you...

5. Lucas is superior to Ness in every way, why don't you try playing their games and actually realize that.
Uh... Ok... Why don't you look the words "fact" and "opinion" up and actually realize that what you're saying is an opinion. And DB makes the best point, Mewtwo would own Pikachu in the Pokemon games, if they were the same level and they had their corresponding stats. In SSBM, Pikachu was a higher tier than Mewtwo, hmm... that's a change.

6. Ha ha ha *sigh* you make up arguments and the ones that you haven't made up you use ****ty responses that don't really serve a purpose.
Ha ha ha *opinion opinion opinion and something else*

And no my friend, just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean that they are flaming you, no matter how ignorant and naive you are.
When they show a blatant response of flaming, like you just did, it's flaming.

Or in your language:
:/, you fail at this.

 

[finalark]

Finally, I'm not the only sane one.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Here's something I wrote:

So Long Ness​

When will you learn, supporters of Ness?
Your acting like annoying pest.
We all agree, Sakurai knows best.
Which is why he made the "Up Until Now" test.
He wanted to find the supporters of the nation.
Just to laugh in their face as he said "DECONFIRMATION!"
"He was supposed be replaced long ago, but there was delay"
"So I decided to deconfirm Ness today!"
"I'm sorry if I upset you all"
"But I'm afraid your young fighter won't be appearing in Brawl"
Most of the supporters received lots of mail
From the non-beleivers who only could say the words "YOU FAIL"
One upset person, was a sadden Deuceblade,
Who sat away from the others, alone in the shade.
He wept and couldn't lift up his head
He still beleive in Ness as he posted in the thread
"Ness for Brawl! I got to beleive!"
"Why would we be the ones that Sakurai chose to decieve?"
Ness still had a chance, he continued to boast
But with the lack of logic, his arguments were toast
"Ness deconfirmed? This can't be true!"
Not according to the words of young vesperview.
He pointed out the reasons against Ness's return
Despite all of the points, Deuceblade still never learned
He tried to counter, but his logic was no good
He attempted to do anything that he could
He posted "Ness for Brawl" times and times again
While others spent their time to put it to an end.
It still goes on, but the support is dead
Their were no good arguments, in their head
So overall we all know one fact
That young Ness won't be coming back.
​

 

[The Kirby Kong]

Here's something I wrote:

So Long Ness​

When will you learn, supporters of Ness?
Your acting like annoying pest.
We all agree, Sakurai knows best.
Which is why he made the "Up Until Now" test.
He wanted to find the supporters of the nation.
Just to laugh in their face as he said "DECONFIRMATION!"
"He was supposed be replaced long ago, but there was delay"
"So I decided to deconfirm Ness today!"
"I'm sorry if I upset you all"
"But I'm afraid your young fighter won't be appearing in Brawl"
Most of the supporters received lots of mail
From the non-beleivers who only could say the words "YOU FAIL"
One upset person, was a sadden Deuceblade,
Who sat away from the others, alone in the shade.
He wept and couldn't lift up his head
He still beleive in Ness as he posted in the thread
"Ness for Brawl! I got to beleive!"
"Why would we be the ones that Sakurai chose to decieve?"
Ness still had a chance, he continued to boast
But with the lack of logic, his arguments were toast
"Ness deconfirmed? This can't be true!"
Not according to the words of young vesperview.
He pointed out the reasons against Ness's return
Despite all of the points, Deuceblade still never learned
He tried to counter, but his logic was no good
He attempted to do anything that he could
He posted "Ness for Brawl" times and times again
While others spent their time to put it to an end.
It still goes on, but the support is dead
Their were no good arguments, in their head
So overall we all know one fact
That young Ness won't be coming back.
​

Oh wow, not only does your logic suck, you're also a poor poet.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Oh wow, not only does your logic suck, you're also a poor poet.

Coming from you, that means nothing. I'm sure the poem could use work since I only came up with it like 2 minutes ago, but I know I have talent. You just don't like the poem b/c your poor Ness got served!!!

 

[RDK]

Yes he might be gone, but if you knew a thing or two about language you'd know that "until now" can be read in two ways.

God, you guys are getting ridiculous at this point. Drop your idiotic fanboyism and face the facts.

No. No it can't be read two ways. "UP UNTIL NOW" means he's been in all of the games in the Smash series except the current one. Get that through your thick head.

I mean seriously, the pro-Ness crowd's logic fails miserably, and all of your arguments are reduced to "that update means _____ to me; I just take it differently" and a swarm of idiotic smilies.

 

[The Kirby Kong]

Coming from you, that means nothing. I'm sure the poem could use work since I only came up with it like 2 minutes ago, but I know I have talent. You just don't like the poem b/c your poor Ness got served!!!

Don't make me laugh, I don't care what garbage is in that 'poem' of yours. But certainly the length of the sentences don't match up to create a harmonious whole, that is all.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

God, you guys are getting ridiculous at this point. Drop your idiotic fanboyism and face the facts.

No. No it can't be read two ways. "UP UNTIL NOW" means he's been in all of the games in the Smash series except the current one. Get that through your thick head.

I mean seriously, the pro-Ness crowd's logic fails miserably, and all of your arguments are reduced to "that update means _____ to me; I just take it differently" and a swarm of idiotic smilies.

And my poem tells of your tales of fanboyism and logic. It's the icing of the cake

Don't make me laugh, I don't care what garbage is in that 'poem' of yours. But certainly the length of the sentences don't match up to create a harmonious whole, that is all.

It's not meant to be harmonic and not all poems are meant to be either. Your only calling it garbage b/c you don't like the things concerning Ness within it.