Ness is out: Come and help those in denial...

[vesperview]

No, because Ness would be representing a different game in the series rather than a boring villain. Ness is a great character, replacing him would be a sin against nature.

Wow, nice comeback? Lol, I'm not gonna argue with some biased **** like that.

 

[DeuceBlade]

You are biased because you are giving Ness WAY more than he deserves, being an unlockable after being a starter makes him out to be like the important one, there's no reason for the old one to be unlockable, get it through your head.

Ness has a fan base from Smash bros a higher selling franchise then the entire Mother series, He is important, and you saying he is less important due to the sales, and popularity of Mother 2 &Mother 3 is bias because they both are played important roles in each of their respective games.

You're getting the wrong idea, in terms of Mother characters, to have Ness be the unlockable one is rather pointless, specially when Lucas is the new one and is far more popular than Ness in Japan, unlockables are unlockables due to the high expectation of people wanting to play with those characters, that's why the third parties are unlockable, it doesn't mean they are getting less representation, so to have Lucas be the starter and Ness be the unlockable is just a way to belittle Lucas in favor of Ness, which is all of what you're arguments usually lead to.

Your jumping to conclusions (something often seen within anti-ness haters), I do not dislike Lucas in favor of Ness, nor do I think one is more important than the other.. and Newer characters do not always have to be unlockables.

You're the one in denial that he has a chance.

Your not only in denial, your bias.. oh and you jump to conclusions.

 

[vesperview]

Ness has a fan base from Smash bros a higher selling franchise then the entire Mother series, He is important, and you saying he is less important due to the sales, and popularity of Mother 2 &Mother 3 is bias because they both are played important roles in each of their respective games.

Importance = role in their series, sales and popularity, if you don't know that, you're way more in denial than I though, Lucas's role in Mother 3 is much more substantial then Ness's in Mother 2, Mother 2 is not longer current or relevant to the Mother series, Mother 3 is, it sold better and having a fan base from Smash means ****, cause Lucas can accomplish a fan base just by his appearance in Brawl too.

Your jumping to conclusions (something often seen within anti-ness haters), I do not dislike Lucas in favor of Ness, nor do I think one is more important than the other.. and Newer characters do not always have to be unlockables.

What a nice way to cover up your favoritism towards Ness, Oh and you might want to revise your "Anti-Ness haters" term, cause it makes no sense, Lucas is more important than Ness, whether you like it or not.

Your not only in denial, your bias.. oh and you jump to conclusions.

You're biased FOR Ness and in denial that he has a good chance of returning because let's face it, Mother 3 is taking full precedence over Mother 2, are you going to deny that too? BTW, it's "YOU'RE" not "Your".

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Well Vesper is surely obeying the topic title. Helping those in denial. I'd rather Claus be in if any other Mother rep.

 

[DeuceBlade]

Importance = role in their series, sales and popularity, if you don't know that, you're way more in denial than I though, Lucas's role in Mother 3 is much more substantial then Ness's in Mother 2, Mother 2 is not longer current or relevant to the Mother series, Mother 3 is, it sold better and having a fan base from Smash means ****, cause Lucas can accomplish a fan base just by his appearance in Brawl too.

So your telling me any main character will lose his importance simply because he is unpopular and the title did not sell well? Bias opinion. Ness is important to Mother 2, as Lucas is important to mother 3. Since both games obviously do not interact similar to the Fire Emblem series where one Lord may be important in one game, and another lord will have importance in his/her own game.

What a nice way to cover up your favoritism towards Ness, Oh and you might want to revise your "Anti-Ness haters" term, cause it makes no sense, Lucas is more important than Ness, whether you like it or not.

Now your trying to put words in my mouth, of course I like Ness but that does not mean I hate Lucas, its not like I won't use him in brawl due to what you think is dislike for him. The Term Anti-Ness haters is two terms in one, because people are "Anti-Ness" and "Ness haters", but I do understand what you mean, so how about just anti ness :D

You're biased FOR Ness and in denial that he has a good chance of returning because let's face it, Mother 3 is taking full precedence over Mother 2, are you going to deny that too? BTW, it's "YOU'RE" not "Your".

Its seems that not only do you think your Sakurai, but you also think your an English teacher.

Vesp, you don't know who will be in brawl besides the characters already confirmed, and nobody else does as well. You have yet to realize this.. which is sad.

Although I think we both can agree mog will never be in brawl as playable but thats another subject.

 

[vesperview]

So your telling me any main character will lose his importance simply because he is unpopular and the title did not sell well? Bias opinion. Ness is important to Mother 2, as Lucas is important to mother 3. Since both games obviously do not interact similar to the Fire Emblem series where one Lord may be important in one game, and another lord will have importance in his/her own game.

Please, Mother 3 = newer game, better sales, more popular, how is that bias? Is like saying Majora's Mask is as important as TP, so stop arguing that, you're the biased one thinking Mother 2 is as important.

Vesp, you don't know who will be in brawl besides the characters already confirmed, and nobody else does as well. You have yet to realize this.. which is sad.

Nice, since you can't deny that there hasn't been any reference to Mother 2 so far and that Mother 3 is clearly taking precedence, you decide to end the argument with such a weak statement, have a nice day.

 

[Pieman0920]

That's "you're" "your" thing doesn't help ya DB. If you want to prove your side is right, it's not good to not change your errors, even though you know they are there. :O

 

[DeuceBlade]

Please, Mother 3 = newer game, better sales, more popular, how is that bias? Is like saying Majora's Mask is as important as TP, so stop arguing that, you're the biased one thinking Mother 2 is as important.



Nice, since you can't deny that there hasn't been any reference to Mother 2 so far and that Mother 3 is clearly taking precedence, you decide to end the argument with such a weak statement, have a nice day.

You cannot use the Legend of Zelda series since it truly is just one character with different designs. And it does not matter whether Mother 2 gets represented (Although I am glad you're) seeing them as separate games now, with two different main characters with equal importance to their stories). And it is obvious Mother 3 is taking higher presence, similar to how Super Mario sunshine is taking higher priority in brawl than Mario 64 (oh wait no I can't use that comparison cause the mario series is lyk 10x more important than the mother series. right?)

Sakurai can put whatever character he wants in brawl, and if he wants Ness there is nothing you can do about it, no matter how much you would like to see him gone.

That's "you're" "your" thing doesn't help ya DB. If you want to prove your side is right, it's not good to not change your errors, even though you know they are there. :O

Yes, my spelling error clearly indicates Ness is deconfirmed, and that everything I have said is null...
*sarcazmm* <-- spelling error omgzz!!11

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

Sakurai can put whatever character he wants in brawl, and if he wants Ness there is nothing you can do about it, no matter how much you would like to see him gone.



Yes, my spelling error clearly indicates Ness is deconfirmed, and that everything I have said is null...
*sarcazmm* <-- spelling error omgzz!!11

But Sakurai wanted Ness out in Melee, so from the looks of it, he doesn't want Ness in Brawl.

 

[vesperview]

You cannot use the Legend of Zelda series since it truly is just one character with different designs. And it does not matter whether Mother 2 gets represented (Although I am glad you're) seeing them as separate games now, with two different main characters with equal importance to their stories). And it is obvious Mother 3 is taking higher presence, similar to how Super Mario sunshine is taking higher priority in brawl than Mario 64 (oh wait no I can't use that comparison cause the mario series is lyk 10x more important than the mother series. right?)

Sakurai can put whatever character he wants in brawl, and if he wants Ness there is nothing you can do about it, no matter how much you would like to see him gone.

It's comparable because, I'm comparing sales, popularity and relevance at this particular time, not the series importance, just like Zelda is focusing on TP, Mother is focusing on Mother 3, the newer games always take precedence over the old ones, you're clearly running out of arguments, your only hope for Ness being in Brawl is that Sakurai goes insane and decides to be redundant and stupid by putting two characters who are so awfully similar to each other in the same game, when the Mother series can offer so much more than that, I doubt he's making Ness return to please fanboys like you, which is really the only reason Ness has to return.

 

[DeuceBlade]

But Sakurai wanted Ness out in Melee, so from the looks of it, he doesn't want Ness in Brawl.

Sakurai wanted Lucas in Melee. Thats different from wanting Ness out of Melee cause if he did.. he could have just removed him, and left it at that.

I doubt he's making Ness return to please fanboys like you, which is really the only reason Ness has to return.

Oh yes clearly Sakurai does not want to please the fans, I mean thats why he made sure Sonic ,a character wanted by many fans, did not get into brawl... oh wait...

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

But Sakurai wanted Ness out in Melee, so from the looks of it, he doesn't want Ness in Brawl.

Agreed. If any other Mother series character, it should be Claus.

Sakurai wanted Lucas in Melee. Thats different from wanting Ness out of Melee cause if he did.. he could have just removed him, and left it at that.

Lucas was supposed to replace Ness, and removing him wouldn't actually show much logic neither. He was temporarily there to show the series was still repped in my mind, up until now in which Lucas takes his right place on the roster.

 

[vesperview]

Sakurai wanted Lucas in Melee. Thats different from wanting Ness out of Melee cause if he did.. he could have just removed him, and left it at that.

Can't you read? If he wanted to replace Ness he obviously wanted him out, we obviously know why Ness was in Melee.

 

[HollabackRyu]

I doubt he's making Ness return to please fanboys like you, which is really the only reason Ness has to return.

qft!

10 chars

 

[DeuceBlade]

It appears that there is more than one Sakurai, and he has various names on this forum.

Until the real Sakurai says it on the dojo that Ness is out then I will believe hes out, until that time comes it will all be propaganda and jumping to conclusions.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

It appears that there is more than one Sakurai, and he has various names on this forum.

Until the real Sakurai says it on the dojo that Ness is out then I will believe hes out, until that time comes it will all be propaganda and jumping to conclusions.

Couldn't we say the same about you "being" a Sakurai.

 

[vesperview]

It appears that there is more than one Sakurai, and he has various names on this forum.

Until the real Sakurai says it on the dojo that Ness is out then I will believe hes out, until that time comes it will all be propaganda and jumping to conclusions.

So now you'll resolve to call everyone trolls and haters as usual.

As I said, the only reason for Ness to return is to please fanboys like you and that is hardly a reason.

 

[~tgm_Zeej]

As I said, the only reason for Ness to return is to please fanboys like you and that is hardly a reason.

...

Sonic?

 

[vesperview]

...

Sonic?

Stupid comparison?

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

Who is "jumping"? I've been thinking about this since... well, even before I joined this forums. It's not like I just saw Lucas' update and immedeatly assume Ness was out... there have been several different scenarios in my head of how it could all play out... using facts. Ness is one of my favorite characters ever, I bought the original Smash Bros. because Ness was in the game, but really... *sigh*

 

[~tgm_Zeej]

Stupid comparison?

Not really. Sonic was in as a fanservice, there is no way to deny that.

So "to please fanboys" is a very valid reason for inclusion.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

...

Sonic?

Sonic is an icon and comparing Ness to him is like comparing Rex Grossman to Tom Brady. Sure many fans wanted Sonic in, but when Snake was confirmed and Sakurai said there'd be more 3rd party characters what made you think that Sakurai would disregard Sonic? And it's obvious that not all people who want a person in the game is actually a "fanboy", bt just likes the character.

 

[vesperview]

Not really. Sonic was in as a fanservice, there is no way to deny that.

Sonic was Nintendo's biggest rival back in the SNES days, plus, he's third party, it IS a stupid comparison, most third parties are/will be there to please the fans.

So "to please fanboys" is a very valid reason for inclusion.

Not when you already have the replacement.

 

[Pieman0920]

Yes, my spelling error clearly indicates Ness is deconfirmed, and that everything I have said is null...
*sarcazmm* <-- spelling error omgzz!!11

No, it's nothing to do with Sakurai. It's just that you're clearly wrong on this point, yet you don't correct yourself. It's not good if you act this way and you want people to believe what you say.

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

Most mother fanboys are pleased... with Lucas.

 

[vesperview]

Most mother fanboys are pleased... with Lucas.

QFT!

Spoiler

10char

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Most mother fanboys are pleased... with Lucas.

This satement is also true and since Mother 3 is taking precedence the only other likely character I see is Claus

 

[DeuceBlade]

Sonic was Nintendo's biggest rival back in the SNES days, plus, he's third party, it IS a stupid comparison, most third parties are/will be there to please the fans.

Most third parties? so far there are only 2 and Sakurai said only 2-3 so clearly my point was not stupid. Sakurai even stated in Sonic's profile it was basically because the fans of smash bros wanted it.

Not when you already have the replacement.

What other things do you know about smash that we don't, because you clearly know more than the rest of us since your 100% sure Ness has been replaced and is gone.

 

[~tgm_Zeej]

[Meta_Sonic64]
Oh, I wanted Sonic in ever since Smash 64. I'm just saying "Pleasing fanboys" is a very valid reason.

[vesperview]
Uh-huh. So what's your point? Fanservice is NOT a good reason to include characters? Because that's just a stupid argument.

Unless most of the world hasn't gotten the game the replacement is in, but thank God that's not the case...oh....crap...

 

[vesperview]

Most third parties? so far there are only 2 and Sakurai said only 2-3 so clearly my point was not stupid. Sakurai even stated in Sonic's profile it was basically because the fans of smash bros wanted it.

I said are/will be, again comparing third parties to Ness is clearly struggling to keep up an argument you already lost at and Sakurai said MAYBE 2-3.

What other things do you know about smash that we don't, because you clearly know more than the rest of us since your 100% sure Ness has been replaced and is gone.

I find extremely funny how you completely ignored my last response to you, cause this one was fairly more easy to reply to and wasn't even directed at you to begin with.

[vesperview]
Uh-huh. So what's your point? Fanservice is NOT a good reason to include characters? Because that's just a stupid argument.

They have to pay for third parties and they pay for them because they are popular and are gonna atract more people towards the game, you have to be stupid to compare third parties to Ness, specially when the Mother series is already represented in Lucas.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Most third parties? so far there are only 2 and Sakurai said only 2-3 so clearly my point was not stupid. Sakurai even stated in Sonic's profile it was basically because the fans of smash bros wanted it.





What other things do you know about smash that we don't, because you clearly know more than the rest of us since your 100% sure Ness has been replaced and is gone.

Using logic, when Sakurai confirmed more 3rd Parties would be coming in, despite all of the fans, I doubt that he'd overlook an icon such as Sonic and put someone else. You can't compare someone like Ness to Sonic, it's just not a good comparison.

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

[Meta_Sonic64]
Oh, I wanted Sonic in ever since Smash 64. I'm just saying "Pleasing fanboys" is a very valid reason.

[vesperview]
Uh-huh. So what's your point? Fanservice is NOT a good reason to include characters? Because that's just a stupid argument.

Unless most of the world hasn't gotten the game the replacement is in, but thank God that's not the case...oh....crap...

Most of the world didn't get Mother 2 either. Ness is in because Mother 2 sold well in Japan. When you compare the flop EB was here, and how well it did in America, in essence Ness could be almost like a Japan only character too.

 

[ThoraxeRMG]

Most mother fanboys are pleased... with Lucas.

That's just a poor assumption.

 

[DeuceBlade]

Vesp reading your post is becoming repetitive your post only consist of:

1. Flaming / 2. Bias opinion / 3. I know about deh Mother series /4. Ness = out because I know hes out.

The facts are, no one knows if Ness is out for sure except Sakurai, for all we know during the delay Sakurai could have decided to put Ness in (providing ness was not already in).

So until you come up with solid 100% proof that proclaims Ness is deconfirmed there will always be a dispute about this, and just because someone will not go with feelings towards Ness inclusion doesn't give you the right to flame them.

Also, if your so certain he won't be in brawl why do you constantly post that he is out, all you have to do is sit back, or discuss something else... but you don't know it for sure thats why you keep trying to prove hes out when you can't.

 

[vesperview]

That's just a poor assumption.

He said MOST, most people who want Ness back haven't even played his game.

Vesp reading your post is becoming repetitive your post only consist of:

1. Flaming / 2. Bias opinion / 3. I know about deh Mother series /4. Ness = out because I know hes out.

You have claimed you haven't played all of the Mother series, if you're insinuating I don't know what I'm talking about, then you're an idiot and again, you haven't responded as to why Ness is relevant in Brawl or given a good reason as to his inclusion, so please the only biased one here is you, how are all of the facts I've provided about Mother 3, biased? I knew you would end up saying the same crap you always end up saying: "I know Ness isn't out, you're all flamers and trolls who have no idea what you're talking about"

The facts are, no one knows if Ness is out for sure except Sakurai, for all we know during the delay Sakurai could have decided to put Ness in (providing ness was not already in).

You don't make a character in three months.

So until you come up with solid 100% proof that proclaims Ness is deconfirmed there will always be a dispute about this, and just because someone will not go with feelings towards Ness inclusion doesn't give you the right to flame them.

Yeah, we don't provide solid proof, yet you only want him back out of bias? Oh the irony, proof may not be 100% solid but it's definitely hitting 95%.

Also, if your so certain he won't be in brawl why do you constantly post that he is out, all you have to do is sit back, or discuss something else... but you don't know it for sure thats why you keep trying to prove hes out when you can't.

If I come to post here is because I completely enjoy seeing people in denial make themselves look even worse, just like the Gardevoir fans who still had hope she would be playable even after being on the demo as a pokeball.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Vesp reading your post is becoming repetitive your post only consist of:

1. Flaming / 2. Bias opinion / 3. I know about deh Mother series /4. Ness = out because I know hes out.

The facts are, no one knows if Ness is out for sure except Sakurai, for all we know during the delay Sakurai could have decided to put Ness in (providing ness was not already in).

So until you come up with solid 100% proof that proclaims Ness is deconfirmed there will always be a dispute about this, and just because someone will not go with feelings towards Ness inclusion doesn't give you the right to flame them.

Also, if your so certain he won't be in brawl why do you constantly post that he is out, all you have to do is sit back, or discuss something else... but you don't know it for sure thats why you keep trying to prove hes out when you can't.

DB can you do me a favor and read the the title of the topic?

 

[DeuceBlade]

He said MOST, most people who want Ness back haven't even played his game.

I have never played Earthbound or Mother 3, but I am a fan of Ness, and Lucas looks cool and I will also play as him.

Sakurai hasn't deconfirmed Ness no one knows if hes truly out yet. So why are people still jumping to conclusions instead of making it an assumtion.

DB can you do me a favor and read the the title of the topic?

You would be correct, if he did not also post in the "Ness support thread" as well.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Yes, well I doubt they'll close an Anti-thread that's gone on for 60 pages.

 

[vesperview]

I have never played Earthbound or Mother 3, but I am a fan of Ness, and Lucas looks cool and I will also play as him.

Sakurai hasn't deconfirmed Ness no one knows if hes truly out yet. So why are people still jumping to conclusions instead of making it an assumtion.

Because it stopped being an assumption the day his moves were revealed, you're making every Ness fan look worse with every response, you talk as if there is a 50/50 chance of Ness's return and that is complete bull****.

You would be correct, if he did not also post in the "Ness support thread" as well.

No thread is a really support thread, so please, suck it up.

You're yet to provide good reasons for Ness to return.

 

[DeuceBlade]

Because it stopped being an assumption the day his moves were revealed, you're making every Ness fan look worse with every response, you talk as if there is a 50/50 chance of Ness's return and that is complete bull****.

If Ness was truely deconfirmed, Sakurai would have gave him a farewell or clearly stated that he was gone like when he clearly stated the old handicap system was out.

No thread is a really support thread, so please, suck it up.

That was the name of the thread.... (there you go again.. jumping to conclusions)

You're yet to provide good reasons for Ness to return.

Many have given good reasons for Ness to stay, but people are bias and jump to conclusions.

but what can you expect from someone who supports Rosalina for brawl...