finalark
SNORLAX
... you guys are hopeless. Expect to see me back when SSBB is released in Japan.
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Ness is out: Come and help those in denial...
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DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
The stuff I bolded is contridicting with the way your using up until now.
You are using past tense to make "up until now" seem as something that has already happened. your sentence should have gone "up until now I haven't unlocked him"
Pieman0920
Smash Master
Those are opposites, GP. Redundancy doesn't work that way. If they both pushed back, then it would be redundant...
Then again, even if he does have it, we don't know how it would be fully implemented. =P
No, all those special moves are basically the same PK Freeze is using a different name and has a different effect, but it's basically the same move. It would be like if Luigi shot out blue fireballs that froze, but still came out and bounced the same way as Mario's. All the other little differences are akin to everyone else's tweaked specials. His standard moves also look like Ness's but with the square-like effects. Of course as they were not fully explained like the specials, it's inconclusive. Either of could be right or worng if they act or don't act like Ness's standard moves
Actually GP, from some screens, it seems that Lucas may have the float jump as well. Look at the Pictochat stage and see how high he jumps. His teather recovery is likely due to his up B move being what it is.
Most people would say that indicitive of clones. (Of course there's no real word on clones)
Anyways, there's still the deal of status, the fact that someone like Lucas should have been able to have different moves in the first place, and Sakurai's general comments about excluding Ness. =/
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
Everyone on the pictochat stage looks floaty, and in most of those screens looks seems to be executing attacks.
and Although it would appear that they are clones, sakurai has already given a reason for their similarities
"they come from the same family of pk users" so of course they would have similar powers, but they are different enough...
and Although it would appear that they are clones, sakurai has already given a reason for their similarities
"they come from the same family of pk users" so of course they would have similar powers, but they are different enough...
Pieman0920
Smash Master
No, there's not nearly different enough. Only under the classification of clone is that even a proper excuse here. Lucas could have easily been worked as something different though if he was truly not supposed to replace Ness. In the end though, that didn't happen. It's like if Sakurai's original intent to take out Ness actually happened....
PrettyGoodYear
Smash Lord
Yeah, Sakurai wanted Lucas in SSB and Melee instead of Ness. Why would he change his mind now?
Bigger disc size and fanbase for the win?
PrettyGoodYear
Smash Lord
I'd think Lucas has the bigger fan base. And c'mon, disc space had nothing to do with it.
Pieman0920
Smash Master
As I never really played EB, nor know its community, I am not quite sure what their opinion of this all is. Do they really like Ness better in the games than Lucas? There may be a point to bringing Ness back then if that's the case.
If its the case that Ness got all his fans in SSB though, then it's pointless. To those who don't play EB, like myself, Lucas basically is just Ness with a different hair color. I'd hate to lose the character, but am indiferent that it's now under a new name. The thing is if Ness built up his fanbase through just being in SSB, then who's to say Lucas won't do the exact same thing?
If its the case that Ness got all his fans in SSB though, then it's pointless. To those who don't play EB, like myself, Lucas basically is just Ness with a different hair color. I'd hate to lose the character, but am indiferent that it's now under a new name. The thing is if Ness built up his fanbase through just being in SSB, then who's to say Lucas won't do the exact same thing?
I really have no way to argue that, but there is no denying Ness has a bigger fanbase then he did before Melee. I'm not contesting that Ness' is bigger than Lucas'
I actually believe it did. No official evidence, but the GameCube's small disc size was always an issue. I trust you know of NONE?
Sauvie
Smash Apprentice
You really underestimate the level of Fanboy Tatsu has for Ness... He really needs any sort of reason and he will use it as long as he can...
No offense Tatsu but I agree with the Ness is gone idea even if I don't like it.
Agreed, Sauvie. I am very fanboyish, but I really don't see a reason not to include him. Disagree if you must.
I don't think he'll be gone outright. He'll be playable in some way.
I don't think he'll be gone outright. He'll be playable in some way.
vesperview
Smash Hero
You're the one using it the wrong way, notice how in the update it is used in the end of the sentence and not in the beginning? "up until now I haven't unlocked him" is completely wrong either way it should go "up until now I hadn't unlocked him"
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
Don't Worry when brawl comes out you might get that chance to unlock Ness, and C. Falcon.
But seriously, Until Sakurai says Ness is out, he still has a chance.
vesperview
Smash Hero
Yeah Ness is gonna go back to being an unlockable and Lucas will fall under his shadow[/sarcasm], get real.Don't Worry when brawl comes out you might get that chance to unlock Ness, and C. Falcon.
But seriously, Until Sakurai says Ness is out, he still has a chance.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
Why would Lucas fall under his shadow, people will have the opportunity to play as them both, they aren't sheik/zelda.
vesperview
Smash Hero
Putting Ness as the unlockable sends out the message that he is more important and powerful than Lucas, therefore Ness would overshadow Lucas, which I'm sure Sakurai wouldn't like, stop trying to pair Lucas and Ness as if they were brothers.
PrettyGoodYear
Smash Lord
If Lucas is Ness' succesor in the Mother series, I guess he'll be his succesor in the Smash series.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
Oh yes because unlocking Dr. Mario in melee proved he was more important than Mario, or for that sake I guess Roy over shadowed Marth ROFL
vesperview
Smash Hero
Dr. Mario, Marth and Roy were all newcomers, try again.
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Luigi?
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
Lucas is a newcomer also..? and being an unlockable does not make you more powerful or important than another character.
vesperview
Smash Hero
Ness won't be an unlockable, specially if he was a starter in the last game and there is a newer improved character from the same series this time around, please, I can't believe you would go as far as to say that if Ness hasn't been revealed yet he would be an unlockable, it's completely pointless.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
I think its very narrow minded of you to think a once unlockable character could not be made unlockable again.. Whose to say C. Falcon and Ness weren't supposed to be unlockable in melee, Sakurai obviously didn't have enough time to do everything he wanted to do in Melee for all we know he could have wanted them as secret again after the game was released.
and my thought that Ness being unlockable because he hasn't been revealed yet is not pointless, actually it gets straight to the point.
Your falling off vesp, your just trying to string together your own bias opinions on Ness' situation.
vesperview
Smash Hero
Oh, poor you, to compare Captain Falcon's situation to Ness's, when there is no potential character that can replace Captain Falcon, anyway, Sakurai clearly favors Mother 3, if there is to be an unlockable it would be Lucas not Ness, if anything is complete denial and bias on your part to think that's going to happen, now the deal isn't "Ness could return because he hasn't been deconfirmed completely" but "Our last hope is for him to be unlockable". How much in denial are you?
I support Ness in Brawl too, but this is just BS, dude.
Yes, they COULD be made unlockable. No, they were not intended to be in Melee. There was only room for about 1 more character. There is also an Incomplete character in the game known as "NONE". So there's not enough character slots to justify them being unlockable.
He could be unlockable, but odds are he's just not going to be confirmed on the Dojo. Unless Sakurai runs out of stall tactics.
Punchline
Smash Apprentice
Well, kind of off topic, but check this out.
Guess whats on the boat ride? Or might I say, WHAT IS THE BOAT.
Well, its Pokeys Casket from MOTHER3. That deconfirms him aswell.
Guess whats on the boat ride? Or might I say, WHAT IS THE BOAT.
Well, its Pokeys Casket from MOTHER3. That deconfirms him aswell.
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Tatsuman copes with denial by calling everyone's argument BS.
DekuBoy
Smash Lord
Let's end this war with that in mind. BTW Claus will not get in before Ness.Don't Worry when brawl comes out you might get that chance to unlock Ness, and C. Falcon.
But seriously, Until Sakurai says Ness is out, he still has a chance.
vesperview
Smash Hero
Cause Ness is in Mother 3 and is completely relevant to the Mother series at present time right? If you have no idea of what you're talking about don't say anything, with Lucas in, Claus is close to a shoe-in in terms of Mother characters.
Punchline
Smash Apprentice
Am I the only one who sees a Luigified Ness?
Thats the only thing that could happen.
Luigi and Mario both have similar airs and whatnot. Lucas has alot of airs similar to Ness.
I wouldnt be suprised if he were to be given Flash in some way, Brainshock, a different VERSION of PK Fire. Perhaps, like, creating a pillar by flicking his fingers down and fire comes up depending on the direction you want it to go. PK Thunder could be chargable, etc.
So there is still SOMEWHAT of a hope.
I know Sakurai just doesnt throw away characters.
And also people, take note we are not the judges of who to be in Brawl. This is Sakurais idea of whatever he wants to do, he can do it if it works. Make sense?
Thats the only thing that could happen.
Luigi and Mario both have similar airs and whatnot. Lucas has alot of airs similar to Ness.
I wouldnt be suprised if he were to be given Flash in some way, Brainshock, a different VERSION of PK Fire. Perhaps, like, creating a pillar by flicking his fingers down and fire comes up depending on the direction you want it to go. PK Thunder could be chargable, etc.
So there is still SOMEWHAT of a hope.
I know Sakurai just doesnt throw away characters.
And also people, take note we are not the judges of who to be in Brawl. This is Sakurais idea of whatever he wants to do, he can do it if it works. Make sense?
vesperview
Smash Hero
Sakurai always wanted to have Lucas in Smash and if there was going to be a character with a completely new moveset it would have been Lucas not Ness.
He said it was planned to happen, not that he preferred one over the other.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
Me wanting him to be unlockable has nothing to do with his chances of being revealed anyway.. and yes you are bias because you believe that ness is out completely and see it no way, while I can see why people think he might be out, and then use facts from the dojo to counter them.
Notice how I have never said "Ness will be in brawl" because I truly don't know, but all I have said is I hope/think/wish he will be.
and No.. being an unlockable does not grant you any higher importance than another character once again your using bias opinions to try and sound as if your using logic. If Sakurai truly favors Lucas wouldn't you think he would have Lucas with more representation since unlockables usually have lower representation. (Do you see what I just did there)
You are the one who is in denial that he has no chance.
Punchline
Smash Apprentice
How do you explain the entire moveset steal then? (Other than Freeze.)
vesperview
Smash Hero
You are biased because you are giving Ness WAY more than he deserves, being an unlockable after being a starter makes him out to be like the important one, there's no reason for the old one to be unlockable, get it through your head.
You're getting the wrong idea, in terms of Mother characters, to have Ness be the unlockable one is rather pointless, specially when Lucas is the new one and is far more popular than Ness in Japan, unlockables are unlockables due to the high expectation of people wanting to play with those characters, that's why the third parties are unlockable, it doesn't mean they are getting less representation, so to have Lucas be the starter and Ness be the unlockable is just a way to belittle Lucas in favor of Ness, which is all of what you're arguments usually lead to.
You're the one in denial that he has a chance.
DekuBoy
Smash Lord
No, because Ness would be representing a different game in the series rather than a boring villain. Ness is a great character, replacing him would be a sin against nature.