NECROMAFIA | Game Over! Shortest game in Dgames?

[Ramen King]

Kary
J
July
KevinM
Kantrip
Bardull
Ryker
Ranmaru
Ragnarock (Soup)
Ramen King (Zen)
Macman
Nabe

 

[Ramen King]

Bardull change your avatar. It makes you a meany fart.
Not a gambit.
Not a gambit.
Not a gambit.

Kary
J
July
KevinM
Kantrip
Bardull
Ryker
Ranmaru
Ragnarock (Soup)
Ramen King (Zen)
Macman
Nabe

 

[BarDulL]

I don't like being mean, but sometimes I have to say the mean thing so that my point gets across and so that I can stand my ground. Sorry mang.

 

[BarDulL]

Going out for a bit, will be back later.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup said the exact damn thing; "Zen, I don't even know why you try these dumb gambits in the first place, no one's going to believe you." The only reason why he's sheeping you at this point is because you're being loud and annoying like Rafiki.

No. That was literally right as Zen claimed it, but I come back from sleeping and I still see Zen claiming this guilty. Absolutely no reason for Zen to keep up a fake guilty like this. Why don't you believe him yet state his intentions are pro-town?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Vote: Kary

Kary, who should go on your townflip?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

do you mean, aside from zen, for lying?

i would say j, as he's my top scumpick at the moment


i spilt soup on my laptop, so i'll be v/la til i can fix it, fyi

 

[#HBC | J]

I am seriously confused why everyone has me as scum.

As a head's up not posting tonight in this game. Got home too late, have plans for later and yeah.

Is Soup really the only one who is reading me as town/not saying I'm scum/pushing for my lynch?

 

[#HBC | J]

Bardull, I'm begging you not to make a case on me. I have 3 others to respond to and if I have another one I am just going to drown on my end and it'll be hell to even just think of this game.

 

[BarDulL]

LOL. Kary, you have a scum read on Zen because he's lying?

J, that's how I'm reading you. How are you going to tell me not to make a case on you when I'm reading you as scum? Zzz.

 

[BarDulL]

No. That was literally right as Zen claimed it, but I come back from sleeping and I still see Zen claiming this guilty. Absolutely no reason for Zen to keep up a fake guilty like this. Why don't you believe him yet state his intentions are pro-town?

Just because he's trying to be pro-town doesn't mean he's doing it effectively. You tell me, just how common is day cop?

Either way, hate Kary's convenient V/LA. Seems like he's still able to post anyway despite the fact that he spilled soup on his laptop...wtf?

 

[BarDulL]

@Kary - Considering Zen is known for pushing his cop gambits all the way (if we assume this is a gambit, either way), I guess that's a bit of a toss up on your end. I definitely definitely wouldn't go V/LA however in your shoes, Zen WILL push your lynch all the way through. Get whatever **** you need to be fixed and get your *** back in the thread asap.

 

[#HBC | J]

Dude, I am not asking, I am making a plea because July has a wall on me, Ran has a wall on me, Nabe has stuff to respond to and I am sure I am missing more. If you were to make a case, that is literal overkill at the moment.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

do you mean, aside from zen, for lying?

Do you have a scumread on Zen?


Also I like sexy Dr. Crocker and all but I need to change my avatar to something not white.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Dude, I am not asking, I am making a plea because July has a wall on me, Ran has a wall on me, Nabe has stuff to respond to and I am sure I am missing more. If you were to make a case, that is literal overkill at the moment.

Mine doesn't really require a response, I just want your read on Soup, and I asked you not to be a tool.

 

[#HBC | J]

Soup's null leaning town.

And how am I being a tool?

 

[BarDulL]

Kay, back to this.

Looked over game play and decided to go with Zen on his guilty. Still a little doubtful but heck, lets do it. I have no qualms with a Kary lynch either, really.

Vote: Kary

 

[BarDulL]

I'll turn my head elsewhere for the time being, but I'll be back for you, Jbear.

 

[July]

Thought he was scum. Investigated him. Was right. Not surprised.

This seems so much like a gambit, but you've pushed it long enough that I'm starting to think this might be legit. Either way, you've gotten plenty of reactions, what have you gained from it on players other than Kary?

@Whoever asked why I didn't feel like posting today: Got dumped. I've skimmed stuff, didn't go in depth with anything, and don't feel like analyzing. July's reasoning for me town is strange though. Oh yeah, it was Zen since he was telling me to vote his guilty.

Vote Kary

I only have you as a slight town lean, I'd actually prefer if other people got a read on you as well but my tendency to always read you as scum has made me back off a bit and really try to focus on your intent rather than your actions which I am usually not a fan of. That said, I'm still leaning town on you after the interactions with Bardull and Zen, you seem to have a genuine, if not misguided, attempt to be scumhunting there.

Currently reading and felt like responding to this:



Yes. I am the Necromancer.

Responded to this earlier.

Kevin and July are null, but I have my qualms with both of their slots; can never seem to get myself to like Kevin in-game, July for outing a read list as an opening post. If July is Town, she gives scum information unnecessarily as an expense for trying to lead Town down the right path early on. An entire read list isn't necessary though, just a poke here and there would suffice.

People who I don't think are the Necromancer: Bardull, Kary.

Bardull for saying this. No matter what the WIFOM, I find it very hard to believe that the Necromancer would even joke about claiming Necromancer or scum in general, and Bardull does it with so little effort here. I also don't think Kary is the Necromancer, simply because with all the pressure on him with Zen's guilty result, if he were Necromancer and his role/his scum team's success depended on him staying alive, I'd expect to see a hell of a lot more concern out of him at the prospect of dying. That doesn't exclude them from being scum in general, though.

As for my reads list, Zen has given color coded reads list, I don't see much of a difference between what he did and what I did except my reads are laid out more explicitly (but most of them are weak anyways). Either way, that read list could be important in case I die when I go hang gliding on Saturday. So while I'm thinking of it...

V/LA Thursday (rest of today) and Saturday.

Not sure where the vote count is but if Zen's results really aren't a gambit I'll vote Kary toDay, if they are I intend to vote J.

Quick question Zen, on your reads list Nabe and Macman are at the very bottom in bright green, can you explain your read on them?

Also I didn't feel like quoting the exchange of walls between Soup and Ran but I definitely like Soup coming out of it more than I did before. I like that Ran is giving more information, not calling him town yet but he is at least putting content out there so I'm fine with him for now.

 

[BarDulL]

Don't necessarily agree with your rationale for Kary. Would scum try to defend their ally here? Chainsaw mayhaps, nothing direct.

 

[#HBC | J]

Bardull, could you give me bullet points as to why you have me as scum? You seemed to have only started calling me scum purely based on the fact that I called you scum.

 

[BarDulL]

Dude, I am not asking, I am making a plea because July has a wall on me, Ran has a wall on me, Nabe has stuff to respond to and I am sure I am missing more. If you were to make a case, that is literal overkill at the moment.

Bardull, could you give me bullet points as to why you have me as scum? You seemed to have only started calling me scum purely based on the fact that I called you scum.

Quit being a tool.

 

[BarDulL]

Joking aside, I'm tired right now. When Kary is dealt with, I will immediately begin pushing for your slot again. I-m-m-e-d-i-a-t-e-l-y. I'll give you my bullet points then and there.

 

[Ramen King]

This seems so much like a gambit, but you've pushed it long enough that I'm starting to think this might be legit. Either way, you've gotten plenty of reactions, what have you gained from it on players other than Kary?

That anyone in the yellow or dark green is possible scum, yellow being more likely.

Quick question Zen, on your reads list Nabe and Macman are at the very bottom in bright green, can you explain your read on them?

Let's see Nabe is on meta and that his reads align with mine. Scum Nabe tends to overcritcize and funk up the town with horrible reads (especially on me). His play just aint scummy. Macman I'm reading from just his one post about there being so much to read. Again, meta. Scum macman would want to show protown intent and claim that he was reading up, but town macman is not concerned with this issue and expressed his genuine feelings.

Don't use my meta for your own reads though. Meta is no good for sharing reads.

 

[Ramen King]

Kary is at L-3
July your read on Kary is strange/suspicious to me.
It's actually not reasonable at all.
How the player reacts doesn't give much especially if they think it's a gambit.
Town are usually the ones to react to my cop claims any how.
Kary is trying to play it cool.
You're trying to protect him.
I feel that you're scum (with Kary) just hoping that it is a gambit.
Perhaps you told him to stay quiet until it passes over?
But I have to tell ya
It's not a gambit

 

[Ramen King]

I also don't think Kary is the Necromancer, simply because with all the pressure on him with Zen's guilty result, if he were Necromancer and his role/his scum team's success depended on him staying alive, I'd expect to see a hell of a lot more concern out of him at the prospect of dying.

Like really how is this anything but WIFOM, July? This is very unlike you.

 

[ranmaru]

I only have you as a slight town lean, I'd actually prefer if other people got a read on you as well but my tendency to always read you as scum has made me back off a bit and really try to focus on your intent rather than your actions which I am usually not a fan of. That said, I'm still leaning town on you after the interactions with Bardull and Zen, you seem to have a genuine, if not misguided, attempt to be scumhunting there.

Bardull for saying this. No matter what the WIFOM, I find it very hard to believe that the Necromancer would even joke about claiming Necromancer or scum in general, and Bardull does it with so little effort here. I also don't think Kary is the Necromancer, simply because with all the pressure on him with Zen's guilty result, if he were Necromancer and his role/his scum team's success depended on him staying alive, I'd expect to see a hell of a lot more concern out of him at the prospect of dying. That doesn't exclude them from being scum in general, though.

Regarding Kantrip, I have him as leaning town for the way he answered my question, and the way he responded to J's push on him. It's not an Obvious town tell, but basically I have nothing to worry about Kantrip. Now with Bardull, I see it as a traitor tell. Like he is acting very anti-town, and trying to give the town a distraction, which I feel is him trying to alert the scum/a anti-town faction something. It's just like how WL played in the beginning of Celeb Mafia. Underlined, I would think any scum/indy faction would try to play it off as cool SO THEY DON'T GET DEAD like you are saying. Do you agree?

Now here is a few things I am wondering.

Usually, you tend to pressure vote or vote players you really find scum, so I am wondering why you didn't vote J or Nabe in the beginning. I also noticed you expressed KevinM as null, yet you didn't address his vote on you ever. What's up with that? I also want to know why you read Ryker as null, and why you asked Zen about his Macman and Nabe reads (because you have no reason to think differently) Now, I noticed in your first post, you only responded to mechanics/rvs questions, and not individuals actions and interactions, like mine, J's, or Kary's. I do know you stated it was 2 AM; I know that even if you are pressed on time, you still have the determination to cover everything, due to your "I'll be able to wing my paper because I always do" mindset". Knowing this, it felt like you were using a wait and see approach, and I want to know why you are playing carefully. I also think you are playing carefully in reading me, and I want to know exactly what you got from Soup and my interaction.

Currently my read on you is Null. The reason I ask you these questions now is because with you, it takes a while to really read what you are doing in a period of time, due to your playstyle and schedule.

 

[July]

Don't necessarily agree with your rationale for Kary. Would scum try to defend their ally here? Chainsaw mayhaps, nothing direct.

That's fine, it's I'm saying I don't think Kary is Necromancer and I don't honestly think he is scum outside of Zen's results. If Zen's results are legit then I'll go with it and I'll believe that I'm misreading Kary, but if it's a gambit then I think Zen is wrong here and that Kary is town.

That anyone in the yellow or dark green is possible scum, yellow being more likely.Let's see Nabe is on meta and that his reads align with mine. Scum Nabe tends to overcritcize and funk up the town with horrible reads (especially on me). His play just aint scummy. Macman I'm reading from just his one post about there being so much to read. Again, meta. Scum macman would want to show protown intent and claim that he was reading up, but town macman is not concerned with this issue and expressed his genuine feelings.

Don't use my meta for your own reads though. Meta is no good for sharing reads.

Ah kk yeah, I just didn't expect your strongest town reads on people to be based on meta, although I don't have strong reads on anyone outside of you or J so I can't really judge.

Kary is at L-3
July your read on Kary is strange/suspicious to me.
It's actually not reasonable at all.
How the player reacts doesn't give much especially if they think it's a gambit.
Town are usually the ones to react to my cop claims any how.
Kary is trying to play it cool.
You're trying to protect him.
I feel that you're scum (with Kary) just hoping that it is a gambit.
Perhaps you told him to stay quiet until it passes over?
But I have to tell ya
It's not a gambit

I've had Kary as town ever since I posted my reads, and as much as I like you your results and your opinion stemming from those results can only coerce my actions; my personal read on Kary is still that he looks town, if your results are legit then I'm wrong and that's fair enough. Still, I think that his play all game has been consistently calm, not just in light of your results, and that (at least prior to him declaring v/la) he was asking questions and it seemed to me had the intent of scumhunting. Also, if you aren't gambiting, it's not my fault that I've been conditioned to think anything that happens during the Day that isn't confirmable (like a vig shot) is a gambit, I blame RR for that suspicion.

Like really how is this anything but WIFOM, July? This is very unlike you.

I considered that it's WIFOMy, but then things like interpreting whether people are being genuine or not or if they are following their town meta or not are speculative issues as well so I figured I'd put it out there what I think of those behaviors/reactions. As for it being unlike me, I'm not exactly sure where my style is right now...I'm focusing a lot on intent/genuineness/reactions/perceptions by players rather than on their behavior itself, because after having a run of 4 out of 5 games as scum, I realized just how easy it is to fake pro-town behavior, while masking the intent and feigning genuineness are much more difficult for a person to control and thus are much more revealing when you dig into them. #Rantonmafiatheory #ohwell #tootiredtocare

 

[July]

Goddammit Ran you would post something addressed to me as soon as I finish my post.

Usually, you tend to pressure vote or vote players you really find scum, so I am wondering why you didn't vote J or Nabe in the beginning. I also noticed you expressed KevinM as null, yet you didn't address his vote on you ever. What's up with that? I also want to know why you read Ryker as null, and why you asked Zen about his Macman and Nabe reads (because you have no reason to think differently) Now, I noticed in your first post, you only responded to mechanics/rvs questions, and not individuals actions and interactions, like mine, J's, or Kary's. I do know you stated it was 2 AM; I know that even if you are pressed on time, you still have the determination to cover everything, due to your "I'll be able to wing my paper because I always do" mindset". Knowing this, it felt like you were using a wait and see approach, and I want to know why you are playing carefully. I also think you are playing carefully in reading me, and I want to know exactly what you got from Soup and my interaction.

Currently my read on you is Null. The reason I ask you these questions now is because with you, it takes a while to really read what you are doing in a period of time, due to your playstyle and schedule.

Bolded: Game hadn't started yet. I was conscientious to not give reads before the game started and to limit what I discussed to mostly RVSesque questions/mechanics. I also never realized how much of a reputation I have for being thorough but that just isn't always easy or how I'd like to play; still, I try to address everything I think is important and necessary.

I haven't voted because I haven't felt it necessary yet, although I've already stated my vote for toDay will end up on either Kary or J unless something changes. I don't always vote for pressure, I do what feels right at the time

As for KevinM, his vote on me doesn't strike me as having pro-town or ant-town intent from him; he'd do it regardless of alignment and for very similar reasons, being to get me lynched because I'm difficult to read.

 

[ranmaru]

@July:

Goddammit Ran you would post something addressed to me as soon as I finish my post.

Lol, I didn't expect you to be posting today. xD What happened to that V/LA. Not my fault!

Bolded: Game hadn't started yet. I was conscientious to not give reads before the game started and to limit what I discussed to mostly RVSesque questions/mechanics. I also never realized how much of a reputation I have for being thorough but that just isn't always easy or how I'd like to play; still, I try to address everything I think is important and necessary.

Underlined, can you go into why? I mean yeah, game didn't start yet, but why does that matter in this case?

I haven't voted because I haven't felt it necessary yet, although I've already stated my vote for toDay will end up on either Kary or J unless something changes. I don't always vote for pressure, I do what feels right at the time

I noted that in your previous post, but I just was wondering why you didn't have your vote in play before that. I ask because when we hydra, you like to vote people even if they seem like slight scum, just so they can get pressure. You weren't really pressuring anyone. Just stating your opinion and arguing.

As for KevinM, his vote on me doesn't strike me as having pro-town or ant-town intent from him; he'd do it regardless of alignment and for very similar reasons, being to get me lynched because I'm difficult to read.

Ok then.

 

[ranmaru]

EBWOP: I do note that you say you don't always vote for pressure, but I want to know why it 'didn't feel right this time' since that is your reason for not voting for pressure this game.

One more thing, you forgot to address my request regarding my and Soup's interaction, can you get to that?

 

[ranmaru]

Kary, I saw you there. Do you have anything to contribute?

 

[ranmaru]

Dude, I am not asking, I am making a plea because July has a wall on me, Ran has a wall on me, Nabe has stuff to respond to and I am sure I am missing more. If you were to make a case, that is literal overkill at the moment.

J. I want you to respond to my and July's walls, and give an opinion of her. Can you do that?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Kary, I saw you there. Do you have anything to contribute?

Yo. I have my keys stuck back on, so yes. Just going to address a few things.

If you genuinely believe that there's a daycop in this setup, well... good luck to you. I will ask you why you think Zen used his daycop on me, given he already scumread me off one post/the pregame, and then why he decided to out himself as daycop. If you think Zen is being sincere... well, I suppose you don't have as good reason to doubt him as me. But use your damn head.

Am I scumreading Zen? No. I have him as a town-lean, because I construe what he's doing as pro-town in that he's pushing me/others for a reaction. On the other hand, were Zen to actually whip up my lynch, I think he would be worth looking at on my flip. Maybe in that case he is town, just very confident. On the other hand, maybe he's just scum.

On a related note; Zen, I am serious when I talk about wanting the daycop routine/push on me to end. Couple of reasons.
#1, Yes, you might have a super-solid scumread on me, and that's great. I don't know why you have that read, but I don't mind if you push it. On the other hand, if you are going to lynch me without actually fleshing out what you find scummy, then move onto the next target, there's a high chance you'll ruin town and get yourself lynched.
#2 It's a distraction. I talked before about not wanting to out my reasoning, because otherwise other players can come in and not really contribute. If you turn Day 1 into the Zen vs Kary show, I honestly don't know where you're going to look on my flip. I'd much rather push a number of avenues Day 1 and maybe develop some reads rather than just jumping to them.

Don't really want to have to address this again.

 

[ranmaru]

While I reply, quickly tell me your opinion on July.

 

[Ramen King]

Kary it aint a gambit my man. I do think it's swag of you to continue attempting to post as town though.

 

[BarDulL]

do you mean, aside from zen, for lying?

Pretty sure you said right here that you thought Zen should die on the premise of lying, now you're just trying to change up your stance so it makes you look better.

 

[ranmaru]

His stance on Zen is really wishy washy.

 

[BarDulL]

Kary, give me your ORIGINAL thought process as to what spurred your #367 w.r.t. lynching Zen for lying.

 

[ranmaru]

Yo. I have my keys stuck back on, so yes. Just going to address a few things.

If you genuinely believe that there's a daycop in this setup, well... good luck to you. I will ask you why you think Zen used his daycop on me, given he already scumread me off one post/the pregame, and then why he decided to out himself as daycop. If you think Zen is being sincere... well, I suppose you don't have as good reason to doubt him as me. But use your damn head.

Underlined, did you express V/LA in other threads/the social thread?

Bolded, I think Zen daycopped you because he was concerned with your play, and he outed himself because it's the optimal play to out scum.