Naruto

[Gaara♥]

Izanami = the power to control destiny??
Well if its as simple as that then this fight better be over next chapter

 

[Hot_ArmS]

kabuto will probably get out of it after edo tensei has been stopped

 

[Terywj [태리]]

But Itachi's Edo Tensei only stops after being sealed, so I don't see that happening.

 

[Thino]

So its basically "You're gonna be stuck fighting me over and over until you decide to stop edo tensei by yourself"?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

No, I would assume Kabuto is forced into the exact same loop: water drips shoulder, clashes with Itachi as he calls out "Izanami", Itachi vanishes to crows, backup to area around cracks, etc.

If you noticed in the last panel, Kabuto is literally trapped in that loop in his head. Kabuto is frozen there and Itachi and Sasuke are in front of him.

 

[DerpDaBerp]

It reminds me of when Kurama finally beat Elder Toguro in the Chapter Black arc in YYH

 

[Thino]

No, I would assume Kabuto is forced into the exact same loop: water drips shoulder, clashes with Itachi as he calls out "Izanami", Itachi vanishes to crows, backup to area around cracks, etc.

If you noticed in the last panel, Kabuto is literally trapped in that loop in his head. Kabuto is frozen there and Itachi and Sasuke are in front of him.

yea but I believe that Kabuto is still in control of what he does with that genjutsu or else even itachi will be stuck there forever with Izanami

 

[theeboredone]

It reminds me of when Kurama finally beat Elder Toguro in the Chapter Black arc in YYH

I knew Izanami reminded me of something!

 

[Terywj [태리]]

yea but I believe that Kabuto is still in control of what he does with that genjutsu or else even itachi will be stuck there forever with Izanami

Not sure what you mean by "still in control of what he does with that genjutsu". Who is "he"? Itachi activated Izanami and trapped Kabuto in the loop. When you use genjutsu you aren't physically there to your target, the same way Itachi isn't really there in the loop, because that's all in Kabuto's mind.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

How is Izanami any different from Tsukiyomi? Sounds like Izanami is a more powerful version of the latter.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'd assume you can't actually escape Izanami because of the loop, but you can for Tsukuyomi (Sasuke vs. Itachi). They are both genjutsu that cause psychological damage but I think you can't alter the loop of Izanami after the jutsu has been activated, opposed to Tsukuyomi which can always be altered (Itachi's Tsukuyomi glitching the perception of time, for example).

But in context, definitely seems like Izanami is just a direct upgrade.

 

[Thino]

Not sure what you mean by "still in control of what he does with that genjutsu". Who is "he"? Itachi activated Izanami and trapped Kabuto in the loop. When you use genjutsu you aren't physically there to your target, the same way Itachi isn't really there in the loop, because that's all in Kabuto's mind.

What i meant is, despite the loop, kabuto still somehow figures out that there's something wrong and that the same things are happening over and over.

If he (kabuto) doesn't or is unable to change his actions inside the genjutsu, which would go against him being able to change his destiny as itachi mentioned, he (itachi, outside the genjutsu) will also be stuck holding kabuto's head forever.

Both of which don't really help in stopping edo tensei

 

[theeboredone]

Well remember, Izanami supposedly controls destiny. So if that's the case, Itachi will find a way to disable Edo Tensei.

 

[Gaara♥]

so if this loop is only in kabutos head, doesnt that mean that sasuke and or itachi are free to ........ do something?? i dont know what they can do actually lol

 

[Terywj [태리]]

What i meant is, despite the loop, kabuto still somehow figures out that there's something wrong and that the same things are happening over and over.

That makes sense though. In Tsukuyomi, you become aware that you are being tortured even though there's no (direct) physical damage being done. In Izanami, you become aware that you are in a neverending looop even though there's no (direct) physical damage being done.

If he (kabuto) doesn't or is unable to change his actions inside the genjutsu, which would go against him being able to change his destiny as itachi mentioned, he (itachi, outside the genjutsu) will also be stuck holding kabuto's head forever.

Both of which don't really help in stopping edo tensei

Izanami (described as a genjutsu which decides fate) was cast on Kabuto, meaning the infinite loop is a genjutsu being replayed in Kabuto's mind. Like Itachi said, his (Kabuto's) fate was decided (by Itachi), since now Kabuto is trapped forever. Itachi used Izanami and decided Kabuto's destiny - the infinite loop (and subsequently what happens during) is irrelevant, the important aspect is that it renders the target completely motionless - shutting down Kabuto completely. From what I see, the only effect this has on Itachi is that he loses one eye completely. I think the last panel with Itachi touching Kabuto's head is merely additional emphasis, like patting the head.

 

[Pikaville]

If Sasuke learns that Naruto is ****ed if they ever fight.

 

[Cometkaze]

I think being the host of the Kyubi provides some sort of filter for that kind of thing

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm wondering if it's even possible for members with Eternal Mangekyo to even use Izanagi / Izanami, because being able to use those techniques repeatedly seems way too OP, even for the broken raging eyeballs of fury.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I dunno, man.

The freaking Kyuubi's tail movements are supposedly powerful enough to create tsunamis, and Naruto has done some pretty bonkers **** playing host to that power.

Nothing seems to have a limit in this series.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Pikaville]

I'm wondering if it's even possible for members with Eternal Mangekyo to even use Izanagi / Izanami, because being able to use those techniques repeatedly seems way too OP, even for the broken raging eyeballs of fury.

It looks like using it destoys an eye.

So I guess that's the price.

Itachi is OP, he dies, get his eyes removed.

Comes back with same eyes and with more powerful techniques.

Was he training in the afterlife?

 

[Kuraudo]

Yeah he had to fight Pikkon in the finals.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Yes, the result is the loss of light from the eye which casts Izanagi / Izanami, so that's why I'm curious if it'd even work via Eternal Mangekyo, since no light can be lost.

Edo Tensei regenerates the abilities of the deceased, including Kekkei Genkai, which is why Itachi has Sharingan. The same with Nagato and his Rinnegan. I'd assume Itachi kept Izanami and the other techniques like the Sword Of Totsuka and the Yata Mirror for his Susann'o for emergency situations.

 

[Hot_ArmS]

so itachi can spam izanami/izanagi since his eyes will just regenerate from edo tensei

 

[DerpDaBerp]

Yeah he had to fight Pikkon in the finals.

you, sir, are today's winner

 

[o-Serin-o]

Can I get a link to the manga? I can't find ****, and I'm severely behind.

 

[asianaussie]

surely you can just type in 'read naruto online' and it'll come up?

alternatively, download all the chapters up to date in better quality (coughmangatraderscough)

 

[Hot_ArmS]

Mangahere.com

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Uh Naruto is immune to genjustsu considering he has a tailed beast inside of him that is cooperating and can smack him out of it with his separate chi. Kabuto may be able to do something similar perhaps because he has a bunch of people inside of him (well, somewhat, not sure if it can still be applied).

It doesn't seem like the are literally stuck in the loop if they can talk and say different things in each loop. ???

As for being a direct upgrade, not exactly, considering the other one after it ends literally drains them mentally from the mental torture, this just seems to trap someone. I'm not sure Itachi can do anything unless he was able to do anything while he was torturing ****-eyed sensei with Tsukuyomi. Either way Sasuke is free to do whatever he wishes.

I don't know, I'm just plain confused. Must shut off the Naruto part of my brain for now and just wait till next week.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Why is Naruto so ****ing OP now? ****ing EVERYTHING is overpowered as ****. Controlling destiny? Get the **** outta here.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Wait, you are shocked that tailed beasts and plot-device eyes are overpowered?

Did you just start reading or something? XD

 

[theeboredone]

How the end of Itachi and Sasuke will be like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSRezGRzLmU

 

[SupaSairentoZ7℠]

Dang, it won't play no matter how much I refresh and such. Oddly I have no problem with any other video on YouTube. =/ I'll unfortunately miss a good number of episodes because I'll be on the boat for 2 months but when I get back I'll have plenty to watch.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Uh Naruto is immune to genjustsu considering he has a tailed beast inside of him that is cooperating and can smack him out of it with his separate chi. Kabuto may be able to do something similar perhaps because he has a bunch of people inside of him (well, somewhat, not sure if it can still be applied).

Kabuto is just infused with DNA from the entire population of China, so it's probably not the same. Besides, Izanami affects regardless of the senses, so my guess would be that it'd influence the Kyuubi the same way although I don't see Itachi using Izanami on Naruto.

Why is Naruto so ****ing OP now? ****ing EVERYTHING is overpowered as ****. Controlling destiny? Get the **** outta here.

Hey grumpypants, where were you when Izanagi was introduced? Or the beginning of the series, for that matter.

 

[Lore]

I think people are focusing too much on the possibility of using Izanami on Naruto.

The mangekyou can control the Nine Tails. Naruto is more reliant on the Nine Tails than ever before. Hooray for plot twists that guarantee even fights between Sasuke and Naruto. :/

 

[Terywj [태리]]

That's assuming Sasuke somehow extracts the Kyuubi from Naruto? Yes, Naruto is reliant on the Kyuubi but that's to synchronize between the two, so the Kyuubi's just inside Naruto.

 

[Hot_ArmS]

lmao at the new fairy tail chapter having a kakashi and raikage

 

[Y.b.M.]

is there a fairy tail thread... because Natsu is soooooo good... what a good chapter....

Naruto

 

[Gaara♥]

LOL the fairy tail kakashi suckssssssssssssssss

 

[Terywj [태리]]

So, as I predicted, Itachi wouldn't be stuck as it's all psychological to the target. Obviously I couldn't explain how since we'd only seen so little but.

Stopping Edo Tensei will be interesting though.

 

[Hot_ArmS]

i hope he stops it in a way that we still get to see madara vs 5 kages