My views on the history of Brawl

[Albert.]

yeah tourney attendance...lol mostly random noobs that play online and think they **** lmao

there are barely any melee noobs that go to tourney's, and thats why the attendance isnt as close. but for national tourney's, melee is bigger. and im pretty sure there were more national tourney's for melee this year then brawl.

i think brawl is dying down because the quality of players are not even as close to the melee ones.

who cares if brawl has 5000 people if theres only 10 good ones.

yeah just keep spouting bull**** facts and generalizations that have no basis in reality.

Saying what You want to about the Brawl community doesn't make it true-

Brawl has hundreds of dedicated players and honestly we don't give a F*** about Melee fanboys s*** talking our game. The Melee/Brawl wars are long done and gone.

No

one

cares.

Please follow my advice in my first post: Go away. Your posts are not wanted in this thread.

 

[Melomaniacal]

The transition from Melee>Brawl was far greater than the transition from 64>Melee

You're joking, right? The graphics in 64 were horrendous compared to Melee. All blocky... and the big heads. Oh, the big heads.

Whatever, this is a dumb argument because the graphics are attractive in both games. As I said, almost everyone I know can't tell the difference between Melee and Brawl (they can certainly tell the difference between 64 and Melee, though).
If you cared that much about graphics, you wouldn't own a Wii. You wouldn't care about competitive Smash. You would be playing CoD with your bros.

Oh, and that picture doesn't help your argument at all because there's no 64 picture in it. But again, it's a dumb argument to begin with, so don't fix it.

 

[L__]

Uhm.

Anyways.

Brawl and Melee are going well in my region [afaik]. How about everyone else's?

 

[P.C. Jona]

yeah just keep spouting bull**** facts and generalizations that have no basis in reality.

Saying what You want to about the Brawl community doesn't make it true-

Brawl has hundreds of dedicated players and honestly we don't give a F*** about Melee fanboys s*** talking our game. The Melee/Brawl wars are long done and gone.

No

one

cares.

Please follow my advice in my first post: Go away. Your posts are not wanted in this thread.

and who the hell are you

brawl noob

the sad thing is a melee player can pick up brawl in 5 minutes and beat most of the "hundreds of dedicated brawl players" lol

brawl is boring and theres no AT's that take more then 2 minutes to learn

and how are we fan boy's? this site was created for melee lol if anything your just on the brawl bandwagon along with the 2000 other guys.

i really dont mind brawl

but all the brawl players get butt hurt soo easily lol

you act like brawl is your life and you gotta defend it from the big bad melee baddies lmao

except the top dogs who admit that brawl is freaking boring as hell

 

[stingers]

PC Jona is just trollin LOL guys don't fall for that crap...it's sad people feel the need to troll about game preference but just ignore it or he'll keep doing it.

 

[thegreatkazoo]

But that's okay, ignore logic, continue trolling.

Whatchu expect? Look @ his custom title.

Some times I lose faith in the human race.

If you think I need to quit life because of a video game......then you need to get one.

I didn't say anything about me playing brawl because the graphics are better......I said" NEW players won't be attracted to it because it's graphics are bad".

People at SWF need to learn to either: A. comprehend words or B. don't post

Yeah for the massive amounts of fail in your posts! :bigthumbu

1. Fail for not getting the DJN reference.
2. Fail for thinking that new players are attracted to a game because of eye candy as opposed to actual gameplay.
3. Fail for not clearly stating your views.
4. Fail for thinking I don't have a life because I play Melee competitively.

Additionally, if you didn't state the graphics thing explicitly, it was so heavily implied that most would think you are saying that. Just look @ it:

No new players are going to look at the ****ty graphics of melee and be like oh **** I should play that game. Any growth is going to occur in Brawl.....simple as that.

@ the very least, you are creating a false dichotomy in saying that new players are going to go to Brawl because of the quote above. In creating that false dichotomy, you pretty much make the point without saying it directly.

 

[Albert.]

PC Jona is just trollin LOL guys don't fall for that crap...it's sad people feel the need to troll about game preference but just ignore it or he'll keep doing it.

yep xDD DD

 

[P.C. Jona]

 

[Sucumbio]

The Flame Wars - Melee players got tired of Brawl and it's slower mechanics, and decided to go back to Melee. Brawl vs. Melee wars were rampant, and flames were everywhere.

LOL @ this thread turning back the clock apparently. -_-

 

[Kinzer]

Turn back the clock you say? You can't do a *insert your name here* illusion AFAIK!

Nah but really, I think the OP is quite accurate.

 

[Clint_Eastwood]

I think Melee players are really hurting themselves by officially banning almost all of the counterpick stages. Restricting the game even more is really not the best way to get a new audience interested.

This is the truth!! Making a game less interesting is not going to revive it.

And I think Brawl is going to die out soon. Maybe in a year or so. It was designed to actively promote fun, random play instead of competitive play. I believe it's meta-game is probably as advanced as it's going to get. It just isn't deep enough.

 

[P.C. Jona]

are you kidding me? banning some stages makes it less intresting?
most of the stages are gay to play on anyways and only help the better characters

 

[LoganW]

I heard AlphaZealot quit Melee for Brawl

who?????????????

i don't think brawl is dying but i think it's on a negative road atm

 

[Toronto Joe]

brawl is like a gf...gotta put up some ****,get some good ****,bad ****,get bored of some ****.....brawl is **** =/
(this is comin from someone who only plays brawl mind you)

 

[altairian]

I believe it's meta-game is probably as advanced as it's going to get. It just isn't deep enough.

I'm sure people said that about melee and then new things were discovered. Didn't it take YEARS for wavedashing to be discovered and then even longer for people to actually implement it in to their game?

The problem with Brawl is that what you SEE and what's ACTUALLY going on are typically drastically different. Brawl is A LOT more about the mental aspects of smash than Melee is. And to someone who doesn't know what's going on, it just looks like two dudes occasionally getting 2-3 hits on each other before one is able to airdodge or grab the ledge and reach safety again. Being a player at a competitive level allows me to see what's going on under the surface and I find brawl to be very exciting to watch.

I think what people who are looking at national tourneys need to remember is that Brawl is still less than 2 years old. How many national melee tourneys were there 2 years after it was released vs how many there are now? Brawl is growing, and it will continue to grow. Also I believe that Brawl has A LOT more smaller, local tourneys than Melee does. Also I know that in my region, our local Melee turnouts are significantly smaller than the Brawl turnouts, so I think if that is true in other regions that leads to a greater importance on going to events like pound.

 

[mountain_tiger]

I'm sure people said that about melee and then new things were discovered. Didn't it take YEARS for wavedashing to be discovered and then even longer for people to actually implement it in to their game?

It was discovered a few months after it was released, but it took a while for it to be implemented on a major scale. Melee's metagame didn't really start expanding until 2004-2005 or so.

Perhaps Brawl isn't as deep as Melee, but it's still got more depth than a lot of other fighting games. It's just a different sort of depth...

 

[Juggleguy]

It is ridiculous to claim that Brawl has the same potential for technical depth as Melee does. Brawl's metagame will develop nowhere near as much as Melee's has simply because the physics of the game does not allow for as much room for technical improvement. Brawl's tourney attendance is not dying, but make no mistake, its top level of play is not advancing very much, if at all. Melee's attendance took a huge hit in 2008, but 2009 has been a strong comeback that even the most dedicated of Melee players could not have predicted. There were seven 100+ entrant Melee tourneys this year, all of which were underground (without the help of sponsorships or giant gaming organizations like MLG or EVO). Compare this to 2008's lowly three (+/- one, I'm not completely sure) tourneys of 100+ entrants, and you can see that this past calendar year was a testament to the perseverance of the Melee community. When Brawl's metagame noticeably stagnates, which I predict will occur in the near future, we'll see how strong the members of its tourney scene really are.

 

[Albert.]

It is ridiculous to claim that Brawl has the same potential for technical depth as Melee does. Brawl's metagame will develop nowhere near as much as Melee's has simply because the physics of the game does not allow for as much room for technical improvement. Brawl's tourney attendance is not dying, but make no mistake, its top level of play is not advancing very much, if at all. Melee's attendance took a huge hit in 2008, but 2009 has been a strong comeback that even the most dedicated of Melee players could not have predicted. There were seven 100+ entrant Melee tourneys this year, all of which were underground (without the help of sponsorships or giant gaming organizations like MLG or EVO). Compare this to 2008's lowly three (+/- one, I'm not completely sure) tourneys of 100+ entrants, and you can see that this past calendar year was a testament to the perseverance of the Melee community. When Brawl's metagame noticeably stagnates, which I predict will occur in the near future, we'll see how strong the members of its tourney scene really are.

you seem to be claiming that meta-game growth = tourney attendance rising/staying healthy.

but thats really not true... Melee's Metagame hasn't really changed in the last few years. (except maybe resurgance of Peach due to Armada) and you just said that melee's tourney attendance is getting higher.

You're contradicting yourself by saying that meta-game quality = whether people show up. Which is obviously countered by facts that you just brought up about Melee.

Oh and people aren't gonna stop showing up. There's money to be made.

 

[CRASHiC]

Melee is well past the technical era. Metagame's evolving (after a point) doesn't have to do with technical skill. There is a time when some things aren't yet possible in the metagame due to lack of technial skill, but Melee is mostly past that. There aren't going to be any new crazy ATs on Melee, those were found and developed early on in the game. What happens now is players developing new tactics, new **** to do, like Ganon takin down that Jigglypuff. If you want to see a game with incredibly low attendance but a HIGH metagame, go see Guilty Gear.

 

[Melomaniacal]

I'm sure people said that about melee and then new things were discovered. Didn't it take YEARS for wavedashing to be discovered and then even longer for people to actually implement it in to their game?

The problem with Brawl is that what you SEE and what's ACTUALLY going on are typically drastically different. Brawl is A LOT more about the mental aspects of smash than Melee is. And to someone who doesn't know what's going on, it just looks like two dudes occasionally getting 2-3 hits on each other before one is able to airdodge or grab the ledge and reach safety again. Being a player at a competitive level allows me to see what's going on under the surface and I find brawl to be very exciting to watch.

I think what people who are looking at national tourneys need to remember is that Brawl is still less than 2 years old. How many national melee tourneys were there 2 years after it was released vs how many there are now? Brawl is growing, and it will continue to grow. Also I believe that Brawl has A LOT more smaller, local tourneys than Melee does. Also I know that in my region, our local Melee turnouts are significantly smaller than the Brawl turnouts, so I think if that is true in other regions that leads to a greater importance on going to events like pound.

This argument doesn't work. Melee didn't have the army of people that Brawl had on release. They didn't have thousands of hardcore dedicated people analyzing every aspect of the game. Brawl did have that, and almost every worth-while "AT" was discovered very fast, and it's extremely doubtful that any other game-changing, important ATs will be discovered.

 

[Atlus8]

The meta game for Melee has sure as hell increased! One of the biggest things I've noticed players taking advantage of are ledge cancels! I hardly ever did that s#!+ back in 08, but a lot of people (at least here in SoCal) have been pretty good at using it!

Yes, Crash, Guilty Gear is f***en ridiculous! I <3 it so much! Do you know why the game has such a sad tournament scene in the U.S? Because the game is f***en hard and people move on to play some easy bulls#!+ game like Brawl!

 

[Juggleguy]

It is ridiculous to claim that Brawl has the same potential for technical depth as Melee does. Brawl's metagame will develop nowhere near as much as Melee's has simply because the physics of the game does not allow for as much room for technical improvement. Brawl's tourney attendance is not dying, but make no mistake, its top level of play is not advancing very much, if at all. Melee's attendance took a huge hit in 2008, but 2009 has been a strong comeback that even the most dedicated of Melee players could not have predicted. There were seven 100+ entrant Melee tourneys this year, all of which were underground (without the help of sponsorships or giant gaming organizations like MLG or EVO). Compare this to 2008's lowly three (+/- one, I'm not completely sure) tourneys of 100+ entrants, and you can see that this past calendar year was a testament to the perseverance of the Melee community. When Brawl's metagame noticeably stagnates, which I predict will occur in the near future, we'll see how strong the members of its tourney scene really are.

you seem to be claiming that meta-game growth = tourney attendance rising/staying healthy.

but thats really not true... Melee's Metagame hasn't really changed in the last few years. (except maybe resurgance of Peach due to Armada) and you just said that melee's tourney attendance is getting higher.

You're contradicting yourself by saying that meta-game quality = whether people show up. Which is obviously countered by facts that you just brought up about Melee.

Uh, did you even read my post? I didn't come close to claiming metagame growth = tourney attendnace. Quite the opposite, in fact, in the case of Brawl; attendance is still on the rise, yet the metagame is not. My first point is simply arguing against the notion that Melee's attendance is dwindling, which it is clearly not. My second point is that Melee's metagame has far more potential even now than Brawl's ever will. This second point has nothing to do with tourney attendance, but rather technical depth and ceiling of each game.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

yeah more powersheilding too. BUt keep in mind a lot of people in melee aren't finshed really the ice climbers are hardly tapped and the truth is I do a lot of stuff with pichu and I have found a lot of stuff no one knew about I am trying to pichu comboing with up-B like nair up-B kindof falcon like if you will i,m testing that and trying.

 

[j0s3ph]

i heard fiction quit brawl for melee

QUIT LIFE

he mains doc now supposedly

If this happened it happened in the past week, seeing as he was playing Wario at a brawl tourney I was at last weekend. I was scheduled to play him but had to leave

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

Mars and Jona (mostly mars):

You're dumb.

And it's all just speculation on whether Brawl's growing/dying until AZ comes in here with some of his crazy data lol

 

[Teran]

Yeah guess what noobs, I play competitive Carnival Games and that shiz be one gazillion fafillion times more technical than Mêlée or Balwr could ever be. Yeah dig it.

No but really, the fact that you guys still needlessly argue Melee vs Brawl and troll each other is tragically pathetic and you should all be ashamed.