MXC Mafia! End of Game! ~Meat Handlers and Cartoon Voice Actors Win!~

[Overswarm]

I'm keeping the people I'm watching a secret. If they're town, no biggie. You won't ever know. If they're scum, you will. If I tell you now that won't help much except potentially get me NKilled and make them more careful. For now ,everyone can assume I'm watching them.

 

[M.K]

Erm, but that seems more like....ya know, an excuse to bring someone up later on grounds that you and only you have basis for. Kinda like a "bye" for real evidence....
...

 

[Deleted member]

So even if we don't lynch OS if Kirbyoshi flips town, then what are we suppose to do with him?

We watch his actions during the course of the game. If he is scummy enough, we can lynch him. We're not auto-lynching a person because they are pushing a case against someone that apparently flipped town, even thought I disagree with Overswarm.

 

[M.K]

I don't think it's that cut and dry, which is the problem. People will support OS/condemn OS based on the result, and this game is not just Town vs. Scum. It might as well be Faction 1 vs. Mafia Faction vs. Faction 2. It's not going to be that hard for someone to "forgive" OS if Kirbyo flips town of Faction 2 if the person that voted was Faction 1.

 

[Chaco]

This seems a bit like IIoA in my opinion, instead regarding outside stalking. The only reason I agree with OS on Kirb is because, well, he's right. Kirby's activity is a problem, and never seems to get better. If he's scum he coasts if he's town he coasts. Either way, keeping him around will not benefit us in the slightest.

 

[thedocsalive]

Because it makes sense given meta of Kirbyo's activity, and as you've demonstrated with your non-suspicion of OS, it would allow him to get off squeaky clean even after leading a Town lynch.

While it fits in terms of Kirbyo's activity/inactivity/whatever, it doesn't fit from OS's perspective. Why would he go that far out of his way to claim game-changing information to get rid of a townie who he has repeatedly criticized? It just has minimal reward for a helluva lot of risk, IMO. Whatever, we can agree to disagree here.

As for letting him off squeaky clean, I wouldn't go that far. The last line of my post was a joke, hence the "xD." We'd still have to evaluate OS's play throughout the rest of the game, as with anyone else.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

It seems like every action you take has an ulterior motive.

In case you didn't notice yet: I DO have an ulterior move.

Thus, this entire lynch falls on OS.

FoS Sworddancer

Are you kidding me? It takes 9 / 16 to lynch. Are you really saying that you're giving all the blame to Overswarm in case Kirbyo flips town? That's scapegoating.

Then OS lied to us about Kirbyoshi.

Would it really be a lie? He backs his case up with a mere fact (which is easy to double-check). He doesn't say anything that is not true or confirmable.

So I have to ask you, what are we suppose to do if he comes up short on his word?

A better question: What are we supposed to do with everybody else who joined the lynch?

This seems a bit like IIoA in my opinion, instead regarding outside stalking. The only reason I agree with OS on Kirb is because, well, he's right. Kirby's activity is a problem, and never seems to get better. If he's scum he coasts if he's town he coasts. Either way, keeping him around will not benefit us in the slightest.

OK, now that we established for the 987459847428374th time that Kirbyo is toDay's lynch can we stop squandering our time with this and talk about something else? Like Sworddancers desperate attempts to make Overswarm the scapegoat?

 

[Dark_Ermac]

Kirbyoshi hasn't posted in this topic AT ALL.

unvote

VOTE KIRBYOSHI FOR GREAT JUSTICE

Okay, he's been online since the game began, but he's ******* around and not bothering to participate at all in the discussions at hand. I don't know how he managed to care so little about this game, yet get through the first challenge. I just can't stand his absence any longer.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't think it's that cut and dry, which is the problem. People will support OS/condemn OS based on the result, and this game is not just Town vs. Scum. It might as well be Faction 1 vs. Mafia Faction vs. Faction 2. It's not going to be that hard for someone to "forgive" OS if Kirbyo flips town of Faction 2 if the person that voted was Faction 1.

1. For the moment, both town factions need to actually work together because when you think about it, scums are a bigger threat to the town factions then opposing town factions. When all the scums are dead, then we can be concerned about focusing only on the survival of your town factions. If even one scum remains and if they manage to get at least half of the town, scums is going to win.

2. Both town teams need to fufill two win conditions to win the game. Scums on the other hand, just has one. Already, scum has an advantage over town. If both town factions were to work together, we would help increase the chance of town fufilling one win condition. Then we can focus on the second.

3. I highlighted the bold because I need to say something specifly to it. Let's say that Kirbyoshi gets lynched ToDay and someone from the Meat Handler team gets mad that another one from their team died. Yet someone from the Cartoon Voice Actors team said "Well that sucks." and move on. That seriously has the potential to reveal town alignments right then and there. The only reason why that isn't always going to be the case is because we have a Mafia faction.

OK, now that we established for the 987459847428374th time that Kirbyo is toDay's lynch can we stop squandering our time with this and talk about something else? Like Sworddancers desperate attempts to make Overswarm the scapegoat?

Not everyone is dead set on lynching Kirbyoshi yet. I am one of those people who still disagree to a lynch on him. Especiallly not this moment. However, it would be a good idea to discuss on other topics like the one on Sworddancer.

 

[Clownbot]

He backs his case up with a mere fact (which is easy to double-check).

It is?

He doesn't say anything that is not [true or] confirmable.

He doesn't?

 

[CT Chia]

The deadline is set for 9:00pm EST on July 8th.
16 players are alive and it takes 9 to lynch!
The elimination challenge for today has passed, and there will not be another.

Vote Count:

• Xonar: (1) The Paprika Killer
• Meta-Kirby: (0)
• kirbyoshi: (6) Overswarm, Xonar, Gheb_01, Sworddancer., Dark_ermac, Meta-Kirby
• Dark_ermac: (0)
• Sworddancer.: (0)
• Sir Bedevere: (0)
• Super Smash Bros. Fan: (0)
• Clownbot: (1) Brave Little Toaster
• Frozenflame751: (0)
• Gheb_01: (0)
• Adumbrodeus: (1) Chacotaco
• Chacotaco: (0)
• The Paprika Killer: (0)
• Overswarm: (0)
• Brave Little Toaster: (1) Clownbot
• Thedocsalive: (2) Super Smash Bros. Fan, Adumbrodeus
• No Lynch: (0)
  
• Not Voting: (4) kirbyoshi, Frozenflame751, thedocsalive, Sit Bedevere

Get it on!

 

[adumbrodeus]

I'm keeping the people I'm watching a secret. If they're town, no biggie. You won't ever know. If they're scum, you will. If I tell you now that won't help much except potentially get me NKilled and make them more careful. For now ,everyone can assume I'm watching them.

Agreed, there's absolutely no reason whatsoever to reveal who you're watching.

(bolding for emphasis is mine)

As I said before, I'm for Kirbyoshi's lynch in general for today, but it's hard to say I'm for doing it this quickly (and without any defense whatsoever). To put the timing of his lynch in perspective, we should lynch him NOW according to adumbrodeus, because he has visited SWF since the quoted post above yet has not posted here. (source: http://www.smashboards.com/member.php?u=154335 ) With nine days still left until deadline, and several players who have not said much outside of the "random" phase, it really does seem rushed to end the day now. Plus, SSBF does bring up valid points about the lack of information obtained on such quick days.

So what do we gain by ending the day now as opposed to sometime later? Suppose we wait, and suppose the worst case scenario happens: the game stalls out almost entirely for a week, with only me posting "hi" every day. I'm sure there would be enough votes to ensure Kirbyoshi's lynch before deadline, so that situation would be essentially the same as tacking on three more votes now. Now suppose we wait, and anything happens that involves more posting/activity than what I jokingly suggested above. We have more information to work with, and we'll end up with at least the same meta-lynch unless something very surprising happens. As SSBF said:

My larger concern is that people will not post for fear of derailing the bandwagon.


Which happens, but as long as we make the decision NOW, I see no reason to not continue scumhunting during the day.


Kirbyoshi has avoided answering a question that was vital to us detirmining his alignment, this makes him look even more guilty as far as we are concerned.





@everyone Any objections to Kirbyoshi being the lynch of the day unless something insane happens.




If so, I'm down with putting him to l-1 and just continuing the game as long as we can agree to this.

TDA and SSBF covered this pretty much already but yeah, there's no sense in immediately lynching KirbyYoshi if he logs on to the site and doesn't post here. I log on to smashboards all the time and don't post in any games I might be in for a variety of reasons, including not having enough time to construct a good post, or needing more time to let what I've read settle, etc. I'm sure plenty of other people do the same thing. Point is its just a null tell, and there's no sense in just quicklynching him before he can even speak. Look to Barhouse mafia for a perfect example of why you don't want to quicklynch people you are very confident are scum for whatever reason. Some of the **** riddle said before he was lynched helped solidify the reads town needed to win.

I do agree though that if there is some glaring hole in his explanation then the pressure needs to be laid down hardcore.

He got a chance to speak, he just didn't bother to check the thread. Seeing as I wanted to give him time to explain and examine his response, this makes me think he's avoiding the game to derail the bandwagon.



That or he simply doesn't care.


Either way, don't expect a response anytime soon.

lol nostalgia bomb. Don't worry I saw it and lol'd a bit. =P

Not sure what I'm supposed to say? I thought you might be referencing a response to that vote reasoning from the original SSBMafia but I went back and looked and there wasn't anything witty that I posted, just a bunch of stupid pretentious **** from 16 y/o me lmao.

Am I supposed to give an anatomy lesson on Lavos shards or something? lol

Also, most legit RVS vote reasoning of all time. Just sayin'.

That's all I have for now because I'm ****ing exhausted. To recap as lame as it is to support OS's metadata love affair, what he brings to the table is tough to contend with. No need to rush things though. We should definitely hear from KirbyYoshi first before we make a decision on whether or not we want to trust OS's meta findings.

I would too, but i would consider him blatently ignoring the game (he posted in pikmin mafia after all) as an admission of guilt.





unvote

vote: kirbyoshi



Toss him to l-1 and we'll ignore this avenue of discussion for now and continue talking. If he wants to offer an explanation later, we should consider it, but at this point, he's definitely the default lynch.

 

[adumbrodeus]

oh, and I'll talk about the RVS holdover stuff in the social thread.

 

[Deleted member]

@everyone Any objections to Kirbyoshi being the lynch of the day unless something insane happens.



If so, I'm down with putting him to l-1 and just continuing the game as long as we can agree to this.

I saw him checking Desicive Games and was hoping he would post today, but he didn't. But to be honest, that along with evidence that he may not have confirmed and his meta, that only put him at a slight scum read. I would vote him for more pressure, but I see he's at L-2 already and I made a promise not to put him at L-1 or lynch him (The only exception is if he does come here and play a scummy enough game to where I believe he's deserving of a vote or if it's absolutely necessary for a lynch). When I think about it, he isn't a terrible lynch by any means, he's certainly better then lynching a town read or a null player who's active, but I feel like we're doing a policy lynch on him based on meta and what Overswarm is saying about him, especially since Kirbyoshi has litterally said nothing. However, I will accept this contract as long as we are allow to focus on other people until the inevitable lynch occur.

As for continuing the game, since Kirbyoshi is a default lynch unless said otherwise, I suggest we post our other suspects (If we have some) with explanations. Who knows? If Kirbyoshi flips scum, we could potentially use our suspects for possible links with him and we should pressure them. Everyone on the Kirbyoshi bandwagon or planning on voting Kirbyoshi to L-1 soon should place a HoS on there other suspects at the strongest way to assure them that they suspect them (We're basically agreeing to a Kirbyoshi lynch after all). Others planning on not joining anytime soon can vote for other people (Like me).

We will lynch Kirbyoshi when the majority of us are ready to end the day.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Ugh, sorry, I've been having comp problems lately. Can't really explain it, but my access to SWF in particular is limited. I was on long enough to send Chibo a PM, then it started acting up again. If you don't believe me, I'm sure Nick would be willing to vouch, if allowed. It's affected my activity in his game too. Doesn't mean I'll need a replacement, just be patient. Reading up now.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Ugh, sorry, I've been having comp problems lately. Can't really explain it, but my access to SWF in particular is limited. I was on long enough to send Chibo a PM, then it started acting up again. If you don't believe me, I'm sure Nick would be willing to vouch, if allowed. It's affected my activity in his game too. Doesn't mean I'll need a replacement, just be patient. Reading up now.

You found time to post in pikmin mafia...


According to OS, you weren't on during the confirmation stage at all, how to you manage to avoid being eliminated?

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Less to catch up on there.

I can't help what OS claims he saw. I PM'd Chibo. Not sure how to defend against a creeper. :-\

 

[Deleted member]

All right, about time Kirbyoshi shows up. Really am hoping to see more activity out of Kirbyoshi.

@Kirbyoshi: I can partly symphatize with you, as I did have two computer failures within a short span (Two weeks I think) and the second one was during Smash Bros. Mafia and Newbie Mafia 5. However, you said on June 27, 2010 in The Lord of the Rings Mafia that your computer trouble apprently was gone. Now you're saying that you had computer problems again. Do you tend to have frequent computer problems? Otherwise, I'm getting the feeling you're making things up, especially since you were online in Smash World Forums on June 29th and yesterday. Why weren't you able to make time to comment? And another question, do you remember what time you confirmed for the game?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@Kirbyoshi: What time did you pm Chibo?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

You found time to post in pikmin mafia...


According to OS, you weren't on during the confirmation stage at all, how to you manage to avoid being eliminated?

All right, about time Kirbyoshi shows up. Really am hoping to see more activity out of Kirbyoshi.

@Kirbyoshi: I can partly symphatize with you, as I did have two computer failures within a short span (Two weeks I think) and the second one was during Smash Bros. Mafia and Newbie Mafia 5. However, you said on June 27, 2010 in The Lord of the Rings Mafia that your computer trouble apprently was gone. Now you're saying that you had computer problems again. Do you tend to have frequent computer problems? Otherwise, I'm getting the feeling you're making things up, especially since you were online in Smash World Forums on June 29th and yesterday. Why weren't you able to make time to comment? And another question, do you remember what time you confirmed for the game?

This and this. Kirbyoshi, how is it that you are able to post in one game but not another? How many times are you going to have an out for when things turn sour for you?

@Adum: At what time did Kirbyoshi post in Pikman mafia (I'm too lazy to try to find it myself >.<)?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

FoS Sworddancer

Are you kidding me? It takes 9 / 16 to lynch. Are you really saying that you're giving all the blame to Overswarm in case Kirbyo flips town? That's scapegoating.

Listen, the whole reason anyone is voting for Kirbyoshi is because of OS supposed findings about Kirbyoshi's inactivity at a key point in the game. Perhaps it was wrong for me to state that all blame goes to him, but still, certainly a lot of it should.

@SSBF: You have also made posts similar to this directed to me, so consider this part of my response to Gheb

Would it really be a lie? He backs his case up with a mere fact (which is easy to double-check). He doesn't say anything that is not true or confirmable.

Wait, what!? Are you kidding me? Practically his ENTIRE CASE is built upon the inconfirmable. OS himself even said right from the beginning that his case is just a "who are you going to trust" case. How is it easy to double check something like if Kirbyoshi was active during the 1st elimination challenge? Which part of any of his case is confirmable?

A better question: What are we supposed to do with everybody else who joined the lynch?[/QUOTE]

Okay, firstly, you ignored mine, but still this is a good question. I actually have a thought about this, but I think it would probably be beneficial if I only shared it if Kirbyoshi does flip town.

 

[Deleted member]

Kirbyoshi, really?

There should be no reason that SWF wouldn't register your presence. It is your computer/internet acting up, not the servers. If you sent that PM, SWF would have registered you as being here.
I expected more from you when you got back.

Vote: Kirbyoshi

L-1.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unvote

 

[CT Chia]

Kirbyoshi and Brave Little Toaster have been prodded for activity.

 

[Overswarm]

It'd be awesome if we could just end the day -_-;;

@mod

If someone dies from inactivity, does the Day end via a modkill?

 

[CT Chia]

The day will end following the modkill of a town aligned player.

 

[Overswarm]

@mod

can modkills happen at Night? If so, will it be announced it was a mod kill?


I'm keeping my eye on Brave Little Toaster.

 

[CT Chia]

No, the 48 hour counter for activity only counts when players are able to post in the thread. The counter resets every time the thread is re opened (such as going to night and back to day).

Considering the thread will be closed during the nights, it will be hard for people to break rules during that time. There are ways however, but they will be dealt with if and when they happen depending on what happened.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

I confirmed my role at 3:12 PM Eastern.

Lynch All Liars.

Vote: Overswarm

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Right then, and OS, according to that time, did you see him active?

 

[Overswarm]

I confirmed my role at 3:12 PM Eastern.

Lynch All Liars.

Vote: Overswarm

*reads initial post*

Chibo makes thread 06-27-2010, 07:39 PM

Chibo ends Challenge 06-28-2010, 01:05 PM

I'm not even sure what you were attempting with this. There WAS no 3 PM.

Can we end the day now?

 

[Overswarm]

Oh, woops. Read the wrong two posts ^_^

06-28-2010, 01:05 PM

To

06-28-2010, 09:42 PM

 

[Overswarm]

KirbyYoshi, do you have any proof to this or is this just going to come down to a "me vs. him" thing?

Everyone else needs to make their decision. You're inactive, you didn't confirm your role PM, you didn't participate in the challenge. You're inactive in every game. You've even publicly posted about having PC troubles and not being able to get on.

I can't prove it, but if people trust me you will flip scum. I am confident of this. If he flips town, I understand I'll get lynched, but I know he didn't participate in the challenge and KYoshi just confirmed that he doesn't have any special abilities by saying he participated.

 

[CT Chia]

The deadline is set for 9:00pm EST on July 8th.
16 players are alive and it takes 9 to lynch!
The elimination challenge for today has passed, and there will not be another.

Vote Count:

• Xonar: (0)
• Meta-Kirby: (0)
• kirbyoshi: (7) Overswarm, Xonar, , Sworddancer., Dark_ermac, Meta-Kirby, Adumbrodeus, The Paprika Killer
• Dark_ermac: (0)
• Sworddancer.: (0)
• Sir Bedevere: (0)
• Super Smash Bros. Fan: (0)
• Clownbot: (1) Brave Little Toaster
• Frozenflame751: (0)
• Gheb_01: (0)
• Adumbrodeus: (1) Chacotaco
• Chacotaco: (0)
• The Paprika Killer: (0)
• Overswarm: (1) kirbyoshi
• Brave Little Toaster: (1) Clownbot
• Thedocsalive: (1) Super Smash Bros. Fan
• No Lynch: (0)
  
• Not Voting: (4) Frozenflame751, thedocsalive, Sit Bedevere, Gheb_01

Get it on!

 

[CT Chia]

The following rules have been added to the OP:

10. No editing your posts - even ninja edits!

11. The modkill of a team aligned player ends the day.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Kirbyoshi, which team are you part of?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Kirbyoshi, i believe the relevant thing is, do you have any evidence that you were active during that time period at all.



Because oddly enough, when I checked when OS posted, your last activity was 1:03... AM.

Since you had no recent activity in the thread, it seems most likely that you believed the confirmation period was AM not PM, and missed it completely.


Unlike OS I CAN post the data, I thought to take a screencap. I have it in a word doc atm.


Sure, it's circumstantial, but it makes me trust OS's word a lot more then yours.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I mean, after having personal experience with your insane inactivity, and reading a few past games, trust YOU of all people to be active at the right time to do something? I think not.


Produce some hard evidence that OS is lying or I intend to have you lynched.



Now that he made a decision, I considered the possibility that Chibo left a time limit that he didn't mention, and there were 5 (or more) people who never confirmed. But now that you've committed, and that would've made me consider not supporting your lynch, but not this reasoning, not without evidence.

 

[Deleted member]

Kirbyoshi and Brave Little Toaster have been prodded for activity.

Didn't Kirbyoshi just posted? Why was it necessary to prod him if he has made a couple posts already before prodding him?

Gheb_01's unvote of Kirbyoshi is scummy. This was after The Paprika Killer voted Kirbyoshi. The very next post, Gheb 01 unvoted Kirbyoshi. Given the circumstances that Kirbyoshi flips scum, this will sound like scum trying to shake the lynch off his scum buddy.

We have that Kirbyoshi confirmed at 2:12 PM CST. Dark_Ermac said he confirmed at 2:15 PM CST, believing that he was one of the last people to confirm. If Kirbyoshi is correct, then prehaps I'll take into consideration that I believe him. However, I don't like this:

Lynch All Liars.

Vote: Overswarm

I highly dislike this OMGUS reaction. You haven't explained why it was Lynch All Liars and you don't even explain your suspicion on Overswarm aside from that.

Listen, the whole reason anyone is voting for Kirbyoshi is because of OS supposed findings about Kirbyoshi's inactivity at a key point in the game. Perhaps it was wrong for me to state that all blame goes to him, but still, certainly a lot of it should.

People are voting him also for his meta, the fact that he checked Smash World Forums a few times without posting, and lack of contents coming back. The fact that you said that Overswarm should be lynched if Kirbyoshi flips town is also noted, since that's putting way too much blame on a person, especially since Kirbyoshi is now officially playing the game.

Kirbyoshi, which team are you part of?

Care explaining how this benefit the game?

 

[CT Chia]

Regardless, he didn't post for 48 hours so he got the prod. I wasn't awake when the prod was supposed to be given.