most even matchup in game?

[Beat!]

You know what, fine. I'll let leffen speak for himself instead.

 

[leffen]

its swedish spam arrows.
lol.


anyway mangos fox having success doesn't have that much to do with the character being op, and just like with his falco (except for the ditto) he plays his matchups very unoptimized.

him doing well is more a case of him mindgaming peoples habits and reading people than actually beating them by exploiting his character as much as possible... just compare hbox and mangos puff lol


mangos fox isn't bad at all, but its a bad representation for what fox position in the metagame is

 

[Warhawk]

Thank you leffen lol I was correct in that I did just misinterpret you. I agree with what you're saying here. In a way, Mang0 is just a really good scrub.

 

[Archangel]

my point exactly leffen...how do you know I didn't do it intentionally though?

@ Zoler I don't think you've played vs Mango for hours on end, so I guess you don't know ANYTHING about the real Mango. LOL

do you now see the size of the crater in your logic/approach to this argument?

 

[Divinokage]

him doing well is more a case of him mindgaming peoples habits and reading people than actually beating them by exploiting his character as much as possible... just compare hbox and mangos puff lol


mangos fox isn't bad at all, but its a bad representation for what fox position in the metagame is

That's all you really need... if he can do it, why not other people huh?

 

[Zoler]

my point exactly leffen...how do you know I didn't do it intentionally though?

@ Zoler I don't think you've played vs Mango for hours on end, so I guess you don't know ANYTHING about the real Mango. LOL

do you now see the size of the crater in your logic/approach to this argument?

uhhh i was mostly making fun of the thing kage posted about we don't know anything about mango since we havent seen him play in real life as opposed to videos LOOOOL

It sounded way more obvious in my head

 

[Divinokage]

Though, what goes on in your head might not be what's actually going on. GG.

 

[Zoler]

Also since both me and leffen were at genesis 2....... -.-

 

[Divinokage]

That's not my point. I'm saying, what you see with your eyes or head might not be the truth.

 

[leffen]

why would anyone care about what your point was kage.

 

[Divinokage]

What about you? Sounds like you are talking to yourself over here.

 

[Archangel]

Are all of you going to Apex2?

 

[Zoler]

Are you ???

 

[Archangel]

I am but I can't register until I Get back lol.

 

[KirbyKaze]

ur shallow


so shallow

and KK, not being cg'd for 1 minute for 100% damage when you play a non top tier is SO boring.

bias much

D-throw > nothing isn't really much better :x

 

[leffen]

yeah booooo at higher skill cap

booooo at tech chasing

more making a character unviable in one throw

less skill

cause that is boring

 

[KirbyKaze]

Shake > land on feet > no tech chase



It's not like Sheik's the only character that's more boring in PAL lol

That might have more to do with your players though than anything else

 

[Bl@ckChris]

lol kk is funny. I wanna play you at apex.

character potential arguments are silly.

 

[Divinokage]

What? Ganon has infinite potential, what are you talking about!

 

[RaphaelRobo]

KK is awesome. How many other people have puppetmon avatars?

It's too bad the Ganon-Sheik matchup is completely in Ganon's favor.

 

[-ACE-]

KK is like, THE BEST poster on this site pretty much, as far as game knowledge and the ability to explain tactics/matchups in simplistic terms.

in other words, very high level players can learn from him, and even noobs can understand what he's saying.

 

[Divinokage]

If only I was capable of doing that. =(

 

[Wake]

KK can be really harsh too... it's funny.

 

[Veetaak]

If only I was capable of doing that. =(

You can't seem to understand any post from anyone on the boards. Your answers are proof of that.

 

[Divinokage]

Rofl, you kidding me? It's definitely the other way around.

 

[Strong Badam]

so much meatriding in this thread

hey KK u busy?

 

[Divinokage]

You wish you were able to go in his pants.

 

[-ACE-]

so much meatriding in this thread

hey KK u busy?

You mad that I think you just memorize frame data and actually don't know that much about matchups? :>

and yeah, veetaak, you're dead wrong lol. We just can't understand kage lol. He understands.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

I think every character has infinite potential. That's why tas vids are funny. But arguing matchups with what we think optimal play should look like is somewhat useless to me, but idk...

 

[Divinokage]

I think every character has infinite potential. That's why tas vids are funny. But arguing matchups with what we think optimal play should look like is somewhat useless to me, but idk...

I think you're right because..

1. You can't force someone to play in a way some random dude thinks a match-up should be played.
2. Everyone has their own ways to view a match-up.
3. You are conditioned to play a certain way because of your region.
4. It's extremely hard to adapt to your opponent because there's no time to be creative in a tournament match, you have to play in a way you learned how to play.
5. Also about adaptating, like I said before, there's only a handful of players who are able to change in a tournament match, like PP, Mango, Armada imo. I mean the end goal should be to have no weakness and be unpredictable, but that's really hard.. Though obviously that's not an excuse to not try this. =P

 

[LittleBoyLarry]

So many Ganons here.

 

[Archangel]

once again merry xmas to all...etc.

now, If every match-up was as cut and dry and could be simply played one way then tournaments would be over so fast. 2 people pick a character and (blind most likely). Whoever gets the better character first wins the set....

 

[RaphaelRobo]

So many Ganons here.

Ganon > All

Skyward Sword is dumb.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

I mostly think I'm right because everything has a counter. If you go in with one mindset to how a matchup has to work, it can be exploited, I believe.

 

[Spyro]

Ganon > All

Until Sheik comes and saves us .

 

[Divinokage]

Ganon > All

Skyward Sword is dumb.

Don't worry you'll find me in the game soon enough. =)

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Until Sheik comes and saves us .

Based on my personal experience, the Ganon-Sheik matchup is 99-1 in Ganon's favor. This may or may not have something to do with the people I play against.

Kage, I thought Nintendo said they cut him out of the game? I only just got to the second dungeon, though, so I could be wrong about that. Unless you're actually Ghirahim. You traitor.

 

[Divinokage]

You'll see eventually. =P

 

[Cleod]

Marth against Sheik, both aren't overly powerful compared to one another and both have great combos

 

[Grim Tuesday]

lolno

Sheik beats Marth.