Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[#HBC | Laundry]

Oh please kindly explain to me how else exactly I was supposed to defend myself against an accusation I ****ing knew was false in some way

pretty sure covering all the options that could explain why Zen would say something happened that I know for a fact did not, is exactly how one should respond. ya know, consider all the ****ing options or something like that. that sounds like a smart thing to do. good thing I did that.

man you sure love the salt mines

Call his ass out if you think he's lying, obviously. There's no reason to list off all this **** you wouldn't do as scum when you could've just taken the easy way out and said, "You're full of ****" and not have given him anything. If you claimed a PR and if he's scum, that would've been ****ing awful for us.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

also jesus the scary wagon waffling began like 10 pages before the day even ended wtf

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

getting called into league, will do it when i get back

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

man you sure love the salt mines

Call his *** out if you think he's lying, obviously. There's no reason to list off all this **** you wouldn't do as scum when you could've just taken the easy way out and said, "You're full of ****" and not have given him anything. If you claimed a PR and if he's scum, that would've been ****ing awful for us.

not that I necessarily expect you to understand my exact calculus in the time immediately following zens gambit but you need to recognize that I wasn't exactly in a position given my current unpopularity in this game to just tell Zen, the towniest player, to **** off

pretty sure reacting that way would've have earned me a lot of votes very quickly

given that Im VT it was far better to just claim and sate the horde thirsty for frozen blood. no need to let FUD get into peoples heads

obviously I would have played the situation differently if I was a PR. I wouldn't necessarily have claimed right away if I had a visiting role especially considering there is obviously the possibility of a busdriver in that instance. But since I VT I knew that couldnt have been the culprit.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

looking for some @ Ashemu insight to rekindle my fire

 

[Rajam]

Vote FML

You seem stuck in here and just tunneling. Anyone who do you think could support you with this push? Talk to me about Gorf and Macman

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Rajam where are you page wise?

 

[Xivii]

We're still waiting on zv for the hydra. I've been on my phone all day and haven't really gotten to read. I leave tomorrow so it will be all ash from then on.

Vult is my strongest scum read. Actually my only scum read.

I don't feel rajam-scary but I wouldn't fight against his lynch. Would like him to answer questions and points against him. And just get into the game.

My feel on Mac town during the gambit came from him stating that he thought I had an inno on jerkus. To me that's just not a mafia thing to say in the spree if the moment. Plus his excitement in general. Lol @Mac liking the post saying that his reaction wasn't town? I do take back the obvtown. But still seems pretty not mafia to me. Dislike his scramblin after the gambit, but he's still a bro. Even if he's a scum bro.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i liked it cuz FF's wording was hilarious

i was pretty obvtown during that if i'd say so myself

 

[Ashemu]

looking for some @ Ashemu insight to rekindle my fire

kinda still dont have a role pm

 

[Xatres]

I'll be V/LA tomorrow for an out of town wedding.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@ #HBC | Laundry i have just daycopped you you are scum how do you respond

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

i retract my daycop claim
reaction analysis: i now have a very strong town read on macman who made himself obvtown with his reaction

 

[Dooms]

I actually don't have much to say, and I'm still being addicted to league so lol.

I don't like Macman. Everything he has done regarding Frozenflame today is just weird. The switch off of Frozenflame is especially weird. It looked like he was townreading Frozenflame just to get people off of his back after how hard he went in on Frozenflame during and after Zen's gambit.

I like FrozenFlame. I've liked what he has been posting since his read list, and I like his reaction to the gambit in general.

I don't see anything wrong with Laundry. Not sure why people are wanting to vote him.

Rajam is going to be 100% null to me until he starts getting into the game. He won't though lol.

Zen lmao.

That's it peace.

 

[Dooms]

i retract my daycop claim
reaction analysis: i now have a very strong town read on macman who made himself obvtown with his reaction

Holy **** I'm dying lmaoooo

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I don't like Macman. Everything he has done regarding Frozenflame today is just weird. The switch off of Frozenflame is especially weird. It looked like he was townreading Frozenflame just to get people off of his back after how hard he went in on Frozenflame during and after Zen's gambit.

why would anyone get on my back because I pushed FF hard based on what Zen said? I would think that's a pretty normal reaction to have if one of your top scumspects was revealed to have done something at night that would mark them as scum.

You don't think that it makes more sense to assume that I (like you) read FF as townier from his reaction and that's why I hopped off?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

actually **** it

I still think jerkus is the scummiest slot by far. sue me

vote: jerkus

 

[Xivii]

Good luck Ashemu! Good luck guys! Go town!

 

[Ashemu]

jerkus is town on interactions, scary was riding that wagon mid-day and during consolidation could've chipped in on FML if he didn't want jerkus lynched, however he was content to just stick to iluv at a time teh main wagons were him/jerkus, this isnt scum not wanting to bus they're buddy it's scum distancing themself from a town mislynch by only being on it as a "not me over me" so that they cant be faulted for the flip

imo: scum/scum wagons will want to aggressively set themselves up so the scum left alive was "the town counterwagon to the flipped scum", making the best of a bad situation, whereas scary buddied up to jerkus by disapproving the lynch and pushed wagons very unlikely to happen as WIFOM

also this post is so god damn sleazy i have no idea how you can read it as buddy/buddy. he literally goes "hey want 2 mislynch this townie w/ me? " and sets up zen for the fall

why are people writing ff off already? as scum who didnt go on the kill hed know zen's report was faked

rn i want to lynch gheb and kuz. will read d2 thoroughly and go over late d1 again tomorrow

 

[Ashemu]

they're buddy

not even intentional wtf

 

[#HBC | Mac]

idk ashemu, I read that post differently as if Scary was looking for an excuse to hop off Jerkus... guess that could be due to my tunnelblindness

 

[Ashemu]

at the time jerkus had 1 vote, if zen approved of scary's question then that's suddenly 4 votes on the wagon due to the triple voting block. if scum wanted to use the triple voting block to distance tghey wouldnt have approached it so non-committally

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@ScaryLB59 you should move our vote to Jerkus. He has yet to explain anything that has been asked of him.

jerkus makes a few posts about how i'm scum. A wagon then forms on me and I have 4 votes when Scary makes the post that you mention

Checking in for a moment while at work.

@ Xivii
What do you think of Jerkus' recent posts? Does it still warrant our triple vote or should we move to Macman due to Jerkus' argument.

Back to work.

at the very least I think it looks pretty good for my slor that Scary tried to get Zen to agree to switch to my slot, a much more dangerous position since I woulda been at L-1 if the full 3 votes were added to my wagon.

The fact that scary tries to get Zen to reconsider going with Jerkus (completely unprompted mind you) makes it seem like he's trying to avoid voting Jerkus.

of course when Zen doubles down and says he disagrees with my wagon and that scary should stick to Jerkus, scary does indeed go along with pushing jerkus to L-4. so idk

 

[#HBC | Mac]

like if he was tryna set up zen for the fall of MLing Jerkus, why would he need that post? Zen already explicitly told him to vote Jerkus

 

[Ashemu]

whoops i have some free time & decided to read tonight lol.

this entire j post is super town
this scary post makes me think gorf slot town

the "mafia poisoner was mafia's only kill" arguments need to stop, what's more likely is that it's an alternate kill (perhaps strongman?) or a scumvig from a 3-man team. in any case reading into interactions off a theory about flips that can't be confirmed is a waste of everyone's time

dislike ff's "these wagons are bad" song and dance d1. it's an easy stance to take and he does nothing to diffuse the wagons he thinks are definitely town or get more out of the town/null reads he's not totally sure on, which isn't how a townie handles his situation. he agrees scary needed to die here but he said nothing about scary when whining about the wagons, why never try to get a scary lynch going? voteblock and VT claims are null tells (hell it's possible the voteblocker is town lmao)

gheb had scary in his scumpool here and likes this gorf post but turns around to defend scary here. i don't mind flip-flopping but the reasons cited for not lynching scary are awful: "easy to read as scummy" =/= not scummy. "pushing for giraffe is a gamble" =/= pushing for giraffe is townie. "why would he say he'd lynch himself over FML" == BLATANT ****ING WIFOM especially if FML's wagon isn't likely to take off, did gheb seriously think this was a towntell? especially given the scum!fml push, the obvious conclusion would just be that scary was the more expendable scummate. the buddying of joey during the zen case serves no purpose beyond buddying & is super slimy btw

Gheb's reaction to the scary's vt claim is awful because contextually there's no reason why scary couldn't be claiming vt as scum, hell it's possible an experienced player coordinated the claim w/ him in scumchat becaues they thought they could turn the wagon around immedaitly after, in any case gheb severely dumbed down the quota for looking town to give scary an arbitrary pass D1 and it is grimy as fucc

Vote: Gheb_01

kuz slot can get dead for the tryhard unexplained jerkus vote - an absolutely useless way to start a presumed serious wagon ed1 - and vult trying to stew paranoia about my slot, but id prefer vig to lynch

nabe needs to explain town!ff. hated his d1 but thought his d2 has been alright so willing to give him a chance, would support lynch if it came down to it tho

idk about joey posting walls d1 then dropping down his effort d2 after a scumflip :/

Seven Deadly Zens.

woudlve been a good hydra name <_<

 

[Ashemu]

why are people writing ff off already? as scum who didnt go on the kill hed know zen's report was faked

still stands but replace "go on the kill" with "go on the ~hatedmaker~" i didnt actualy read zens post wwwwww

 

[Ashemu]

nabe needs to explain town!ff. hated his d1 but thought his d2 has been alright so willing to give him a chance, would support lynch if it came down to it tho

too be clear, this is about nabe and not ff

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i request that we say 'hater maker' instead of hatedmaker since it rhymes

making sense isn't very important

 

[Ashemu]

its still logical, just it makes the town haters instead of the targt

 

[Ashemu]

Obvious townies include: Jerkus (second vote on the Scary wagon),

actually down w/ nabe lynch because hes not reading the thread as seen above

 

[Ashemu]

as in because jerkus was not the third vote on the wagon & if he read the game he would know this, i still think jerkus is obvtown, sry mac

 

[Ashemu]

*was not the secodn vote on the wagon
or alternately
*was the third vote on the wagon
gjdksfhskjhf

 

[#HBC | Mac]

agreed about that scary post on gorf, washedlaundry can go back into the pretty likely town section

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb's reaction to the scary's vt claim is awful because contextually there's no reason why scary couldn't be claiming vt as scum, hell it's possible an experienced player coordinated the claim w/ him in scumchat becaues they thought they could turn the wagon around immedaitly after, in any case gheb severely dumbed down the quota for looking town to give scary an arbitrary pass D1 and it is grimy as fucc

Vote: Gheb_01[/quote]

Because I care so~ much about claim, right?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

EBWOP:

]Gheb's reaction to the scary's vt claim is awful because contextually there's no reason why scary couldn't be claiming vt as scum, hell it's possible an experienced player coordinated the claim w/ him in scumchat becaues they thought they could turn the wagon around immedaitly after, in any case gheb severely dumbed down the quota for looking town to give scary an arbitrary pass D1 and it is grimy as fucc

Vote: Gheb_01

Because I care so~ much about claims, right?

 

[Xatres]

I'm with Macman that Scary felt very much like he wanted to be TOLD to vote Jerkus, rather than actually put the vote them himself. Plus we should probably take any votes from that period with a grain of salt, considering the 3 vote block was still actually a thing. >_>

As far as the big, long Jerkus post goes... It actually feels very constructed and safe to me. The only person he really makes an actual case for scumminess was Giraffes, who we now know is town. His case on Scary he never actually came forward and said he was scum, he just said he "can die," which is doubletalking nonsense. I could do my whole writing and word choice analysis bit, but it seems people disagree with me on it (even though I've used it to peg scum in the past, ala Potassium in GSC-3).

Still waiting on Jerkus's response to my post at the end of D1. For now I'll just throw my vote on him, make myself look fancy, and head out for this wedding. Catch everyone on the morrow.

Vote: Jerkus

 

[Ashemu]

but his paragraph on scary explains why scary can die because scary is scummy @_@

gheb context implies you were attempting to sway people off of the scary wagon in response to scary's claim

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I was attempting to sway people off of the wagon even before Scary claimed. Have you read the thread at all? <_<

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I was attempting to sway people off of the wagon even before Scary claimed. Have you read the thread at all? <_<

real

nabe you're a funny guy

back to what i intended to do before i ended up playing league for four more hours with an ignite/clairvoyance vlad with blue trinket (shoutouts to admiral joe)

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Quick question: how did scary wagon even begin? I somewhat remember the basis for it but it was such a secondary wagon for most of the day that I didn't give it much thought.