Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[Ashemu]

slight townlean at best? nowhere even near the play for today though. not by a long shot

elaborate then

 

[Jerkus]

So many replacements now in this game. This is aggravating for reads and connections because basically the trail on certain people are now cut cold and I have to look at new ones. Whatevers, today seems to be the day to get to looking at other slots that didn't get any attention yesterDay and I am more than fine with that considering the fact that there are so many question marks in the game. I stand by my reads of WK/Zen*Now Ashemu* are my strongest town-reads in the game.

FML is a town-lean from yesterDay but I am having a hard time remembering anything so out of my town-reads he is on the outskirts. I also have Xatres as a town-lean because of the fact that I see town-intent>scum-intent in his posts although his approach to mafia is incorrect as has been said by others so I will not go more into this. Nabe is an interesting read, I disliked his play yesterDay and was telling Circus that I wanted him dead the most toDay which is why Circus voted him for me. I am still sitting on Nabe on whether he is town or scum but for toDay's sake he's redeemed himself enough to live.

People keep talking about Gorf about how that he was an anamoly that could be considered scummy and then WL coming in is null. I'll admit all of what WL has posted has been ringing null to me because WL does that sort of catch-up regardless and floods the thread with things that seem like anger and also tons of thoughts but in the end he doesn't draw much. Here's the thing that bugs me about him and that is that WL has not found a target to bite onto yet. He is just saying he dislikes a lot in the game but meh. Gorf was a town-lean for me. WL is a null-lean townish for me. So I guess I like the slot. Circus seems to have WL has hard-town based on his posts but I am kind of chomping on something at the current time at WL. *Note: Macman's switch onto WL instead of commenting on anything presented from WL looks bad for Macman if one of Rajam/Vult flip scum*

Gheb I have not really had a problem with at all truly this game. I just get this feeling that something is off with him. Where did the FML push go and just hmm. Null at best. I have nothing to really talk about regarding Gheb. FrozenFlame came out looking pretty good at the claim bridge that Zen had set-up and to be honest it probably saved him from being lynched straight up toDay so I am content with having FF in my leaning town pile.

So basically at the moment, I feel Rajam/Vult are the best lynches because I feel they have the highest probability of flipping scum. When I do think of their slots, I remember discontent over that of town-intent when I read their pushes. Especially Rajam's push onto Gorf yesterDay and him being a non-factor toDay as well. Vult has just been back and forth and not doing much which strikes me as nothing in particular to his normal play but it's just his slot was Kuzi's aned all Kuzi did was vote our slot and then replace out.

I'm going to talk to Circus but I am feeling probably Rajam>Vult. However, I won't fight either lynch.

 

[Ashemu]

i think gheb is still horrible bad and the reasons he cited for giving scary a pass are horrible bad but i can tell this isnt going anywhere

Vote: Vult Redux because i would like this day to go somewhere

 

[Jerkus]

Forgot about Joey for a sec, he's in the category of WK/Ashy for me.

 

[Ashemu]

rajam/vult/nabe actually is probably the best lynch pool for today because getting rid of the low-content unknowns now and not later means they dont take up space in lylo. gheb can at least be trusted to produce content

 

[#HBC | Mac]

*Note: Macman's switch onto WL instead of commenting on anything presented from WL looks bad for Macman if one of Rajam/Vult flip scum*

really? and why's that?

how does it differ from the other slots that find gorf / washedlaundry scummy?

 

[Jerkus]

Rajam replaced Bardull, correct? If so, I'd like to probably lynch that slot due to re-reading Bardull's intro and very odd reaction to his wagon makes me feel more good with that slot leaving then staying.

Unvote
Vote: Rajam

 

[Jerkus]

really? and why's that?

how does it differ from the other slots that find gorf / washedlaundry scummy?

You actually made the first move to move pressure off other wagons and even tried to talk Gheb into swinging that way for toDay. Like the fact that you didn't even explain why you voted WL or why he would be better than Vult/Rajam strikes me as odd.

 

[Ashemu]

J if gheb is null wheres the effort to read into him? why not consider nabe further? also still dont get how ff's claim reactions are town at all i think people are being dumb as he'll about that slot especially considering how ff spent d1 going "yeah these wagons suck btw scary is scummy" then never voting scary

 

[#HBC | Mac]

You actually made the first move to move pressure off other wagons and even tried to talk Gheb into swinging that way for toDay. Like the fact that you didn't even explain why you voted WL or why he would be better than Vult/Rajam strikes me as odd.

if anything, I just tried to move Gheb's vote off of Rajam (a slot who I've been saying is a most likely town all of toDay. [though I just wanna state, moving pressure off his wagon wasn't my intention]).

Why are you lumping in Vult Redux?

 

[Jerkus]

J if gheb is null wheres the effort to read into him? why not consider nabe further? also still dont get how ff's claim reactions are town at all i think people are being dumb as he'll about that slot especially considering how ff spent d1 going "yeah these wagons suck btw scary is scummy" then never voting scary

I am trying to read him. It's easier for me to read Gheb based on what he votes and posts over trying to prod him. I've tried that method in the past and it's left me with scratches so I just watch Gheb and clear/condemn him based on flips. So far there is not really much for me to go into regarding him. Circus would be the one to talk to more about Gheb than me. What do you mean consider Nabe further? I am considering him but I am not comfortable with necessarily lynching him toDay. He still has a while to go to join my town pile but for now I am more content with seeing people like Rajam/Vult get hardbodied outta here.

*shrug* at the FF thing. Matter of opinion honestly on how you look at it.

if anything, I just tried to move Gheb's vote off of Rajam (a slot who I've been saying is a most likely town all of toDay. [though I just wanna state, moving pressure off his wagon wasn't my intention]).

Why are you lumping in Vult Redux?

Wait you feel Rajam is more leaning town? Can you link where you said this or just simply rehash this for me? I cannot recall that being said by anyone. And okay, you may have been trying to move the wagon off of Rajam, but what do you think of WL now after he has caught up and posted all his thoughts.

What do you mean by lumping in Vult Redux? If you mean why I considered you were moving pressure off of him, that is because they were both the two talked about wagons at the time you voted WL. Plus you are kind of a bandwagoner on the Vult Redux, but I am not condemning you on this fact because pretty much everyone is since there is nothing really to hard press him. I lump him there for sake of being throughouh (however you spell that word)

 

[Ashemu]

it's not just a ~matter of opinion~ it's that nobody has explained to me how ff's reactions are supposed to be "town"

 

[Jerkus]

it's not just a ~matter of opinion~ it's that nobody has explained to me how ff's reactions are supposed to be "town"

Well I guess I'll be the first.

The reason I am seeing FF's reaction as town is the fact that he came straight into the thread and claimed and tried to sort out the situation first and not just condeming Zen straight out the gate and whiplashing against him. The emotional response I got from it was that he was panicked townie>panicked scum. FF is emotional in the anger field like WL and Marshy etc./etc. so when he responds with emotion, it is either to determine which side of the fence he leans on. I also am willing to bet this is why Zen did the gambit. The only thing about Zen's gambit/conclusions would be him saying out of the gate that Macman looked obv-townie from it but he seemed to retract it before he left so I'm okay with everything about the gambit. I'm willing to bet and gamble that FF will more than likely flip town and therefore lynching him now is boring and not interesting to me. I'd also like to state that the intent of FF postings after Zen's gambit leads me to believe he was coming from a town-intent since when I looked at the subtext, he seemed to be genuinely confused and concerned for not malicious reasons.

That's just my take on it.

 

[Jerkus]

Anyways, I'm heading out for bed. Working out the mind after working out the body is exhausting some nights.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Wait you feel Rajam is more leaning town? Can you link where you said this or just simply rehash this for me? I cannot recall that being said by anyone. And okay, you may have been trying to move the wagon off of Rajam, but what do you think of WL now after he has caught up and posted all his thoughts.

i wanna be clear, i wasn't tryna move the wagon off Rajam. but to be fair that is what would have happened if Gheb joined the WL wagon so w/e it's fine that ppl think that

leaning town on rajam posts:

thinking scary and bardull were a lil too chummy early on to be scumpartners

almost definitely not mafia
6. Rajam
11. Xatres
12. FullMetalLynch (Rake/Orboknown) (2) - Gheb_01, Frozenflame
14. Werekill
15. Zen

pretty definitely not mafia
2. Gorf
10. Gheb_01

everyone else aka my lynch pool
1. Nabe
3. Jerkus (Circus/J) (3) - th3kuzinator, ilovegiraffes, Xatres
4. FrozenFlame (3) - Joey, ScaryLB59
8. th3kuzinator
13. Joey

just wanted to highlight my thoughts before I finish my reread. i'm basically gonna try to eliminate more ppl from the 'everyone else' category

wrt WL, he's back in my pretty definitely not mafia.

tbh the switch to WL was a result of me feeling like everything I was thinking about the game was wrong after the FF claim event... and I figured I should start paying more attention to other slots arguments. I chose gheb cuz he was leaning more and more town to me and I could kinda see his Gorf arguments.

What do you mean by lumping in Vult Redux? If you mean why I considered you were moving pressure off of him, that is because they were both the two talked about wagons at the time you voted WL. Plus you are kind of a bandwagoner on the Vult Redux, but I am not condemning you on this fact because pretty much everyone is since there is nothing really to hard press him. I lump him there for sake of being throughouh (however you spell that word)

yea, like why did you say I was moving pressure off of Vult and why do you think that if he flipped scum it's likely that I'm scum? When in actuality my act could only really be seen as diverting ghebs attention away from Rajam. Not exactly sure what the bandwagon point has to do with the question. But it seems like you're saying that I diverted attention away from Vult because he was a popular wagon and I didn't vote him / keep voting him?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I don't have the focus right now as I'm recovering from a stupidly-gained full body sunburn, but I intend a reread maybe tomorrow, no longer sure that what I think is going on is what's going on.

@Rajam needs to post.

 

[Nameless]

Vote Count

1. Nabe
2. WashedLaundry
3. Jerkus (Circus/J) (3) -WashedLaundry, Macman, Xastrn
4. FrozenFlame
5. Macman
6. Rajam (4) - Nabe, Gheb_01, FullMetalLynch, Jerkus
7. Vult Redux (1) - Ashemu
8. Gheb_01
9. Xatres
10. FullMetalLynch (Rake/Orboknown)
11. Joey
12. Werekill
13. Ashemu

Not voting: FrozenFlame, Rajam, Vult Redux, Joey, Werekill

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Persoanlly would lycnh Vult <> Rajam, mainly because Vult's just playing footsie with the thread, he's pretty clearly dodging stuff everywhere and not pushing anything, and even what looks to be a scum read on zen barely exists. Don't care much for the fact he apparently hasn't read yet either but yet boggs the thread with zen suspicion even though he hasn't read the context of events around zen.

Rajam not even posting or posting what is essentially fluff is just as questionable, at first I thought Bardull was just being playful and weird or whatever else but even considering Rajam's tendancy to be ultra behind, but from what he's posted it's hard to even tell what he's thinking which isn't something i would expect of a town rajam

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Someone (probably @ #HBC | FrozeηFlame ) should talk to me about how Scary randomly brings up nabe early on then quickly backs up and is like "well from what i remember , he's a lol inactive who needs to be pushed to do stuff". It just seems odd that Scary would bring Nabe outta nowhere like that especially because if anything kuz is moreso known for being inactive and i can't shake the feeling scary might have been showing his hand a little to soon, plus he talks around nabe later like fearing the korean bbq hydra almost to like joke off the fact he had brought him up earlier totally unprompted., This bears further investigation

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

elaborate then

No. Im not wasting my time and effort explaining one of my weakest reads when all it will do is distract people from focusing on the people who should actually be considered plays for today. When a gheb lynch is a relevant prospect we can talk about him.

i think gheb is still horrible bad and the reasons he cited for giving scary a pass are horrible bad but i can tell this isnt going anywhere

Vote: Vult Redux because i would like this day to go somewhere

rajam/vult/nabe actually is probably the best lynch pool for today because getting rid of the low-content unknowns now and not later means they dont take up space in lylo. gheb can at least be trusted to produce content

NOW YOURE GETTING IT <3

Someone (probably @ #HBC | FrozeηFlame ) should talk to me about how Scary randomly brings up nabe early on then quickly backs up and is like "well from what i remember , he's a lol inactive who needs to be pushed to do stuff". It just seems odd that Scary would bring Nabe outta nowhere like that especially because if anything kuz is moreso known for being inactive and i can't shake the feeling scary might have been showing his hand a little to soon, plus he talks around nabe later like fearing the korean bbq hydra almost to like joke off the fact he had brought him up earlier totally unprompted., This bears further investigation

No idea why you're asking me to to analyze Nabe considering Ive blatantly stated that he has been the hardest slot for me to read this game. Trust me, if I had come to any definite conclusions about his slot as it relates to Scary I would have said something in my "i just re-read all of Scary's posts" post.

like I just said to ashmemu though, Nabe isn't a play in my book for today so Im not wasting my time on this

@ #HBC | Mac it is laughably frustrating how we literally cant agree on anything this game lol. Like everything you post is the complete opposite of what Im thinking, its so ridiculous

More votes on rajam/vult people. Can we not wait till deadline again to actually bring a wagon to fruition? Lets put some real pressure on that isnt just in the last 24 hours

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

what dya mean despite being cleared? Just that he read up or what?

I'm not even sure what I meant to say there, there's definitely a wrong word in there.

but does that say anything of his alignment?
My feel with jerkus (and to a degree with mac but hes been obvtown imo since he jumped in and started doing things) is that he was too latched onto the one cycle of events between him and mac. Circus has been harder to get a bead on to me but J I feel has been genuine with what he's done. Rake says circus doesn't feel mechanical with his points which is what he ascribes to his scumplay.

ate is null of his alignment, not a fan of how little they've been doing this game. they're so slow to make actual moves and their readslists have progressed so little (maybe more since d2 started and they did things without feeling the need to defend themselves). if you dig back behind the ate there's been little significant progress in my eyes from that slot and it doesn't look like scumhunting, just a long bitchfest.

overly confident wrong town imo

one of my later posts says as much

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I do think that both of them were comparable in that both had few posts and were moving from wagon to wagon pretty swiftly and little content to read from in general.Iirc no one mentioned Scary's scum meta at all. Meta was brought up a lot toward the beginning but wasn't really applied to FF or Scary cases.

actually i'm fairly certain that's why scary was hanging around the lynch pool for so long and is why he was the first target after the jerkus/macman/giraffes bull****

Awkward that you can come up with a difference between the two wagons but Joey can only give a very weak reason and Zen doesn't and calls me scum instead.

:v

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

will be back in a bit

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Rajam seriously needs to post sometime soon. The last thing we need would be another

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

@Rajam seriously needs to post sometime soon. The last thing we need would be another

if we let that slot replace again instead of lynching it you have no ****ing idea how mad I will be

just the thought of that possibly happening is already making me angry

 

[#HBC | Mac]

ugh that's true. can't let ppl get away with absurd inactivity.

i'd still much rather lynch vult between the two

 

[Ashemu]

Persoanlly would lycnh Vult <> Rajam, mainly because Vult's just playing footsie with the thread, he's pretty clearly dodging stuff everywhere and not pushing anything, and even what looks to be a scum read on zen barely exists. Don't care much for the fact he apparently hasn't read yet either but yet boggs the thread with zen suspicion even though he hasn't read the context of events around zen.

this is exactly how i feel about vult

agree that rajam isn't very transparent, don't necessarily think he's scum

 

[#HBC | Mac]

vote: vult redux

^ good wagon (still think jerkus is scum doe)

 

[Lore]

I'm starting to agree that lynching inactives is an ok idea at times. All these replacements are really throwing me off.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

We don't really have that many inactives right now. It's really just Rajam at this point and he should be lynched anyway.

 

[Lore]

Yeah, Rajam is the one I'm feeling the most.

 

[Vult Redux]

Reading up but it's getting late. Weighing in on FML and Mac reads tomorrow.
General note that players in this game feel especially static. For example the town read consensuses on Werekill and Zen that everyone seems to have but no one has gone out of their way to justify. Also that you all are looking at "inactive pile" all the time. It's not terrible that everyone is looking at Rajam because he deserves some of the flak that he is getting but I am not used to players seriously considering the inactives as a lynch so early in the Day phase and so frequently.

 

[Lore]

My main issue is that all these replacements plus Giraffe's flip have thrown me off. I'm trying to read earlier stuff again, but replacements like WL are acting completely different than how they originally did. It doesn't help that I just got back from a trip too.

Rajam can go, I'd rather not have yet ANOTHER replacement, especially since didn't he replace someone anyway?

I do agree that looking for an inactive lynch so early is bad (and even later it's bad, as I've said earlier). But wow, this is getting just flat out annoying. I can see now why some people push so hard for killing inactives.

 

[Jerkus]

9. ScaryLB59 (8) - Gorf, Jerkus, FullMetalLynch, Werekill, Zen, Nabe, Rajam, Macman

One of the main reasons I happen to like the Nabe and Rajam wagons in particular is the above. They both bothered to hop on Scary at the last minute. Gheb, Vult, etc. could be scum, but with him seemingly being uninterested in riding this wagon for the sake of appearance, it looks like less of a sure thing.

Down for discussing players outside of this, but I don't see myself being more interested in someone other than these guys at deadline unless something pretty dramatic happens.

wrt Vult's 1511: I am maybe not the slot to be saying this, but whining about how everyone is so into the idea of lynching inactives, as an inactive, doesn't mean much. I've yet to see you present a sensible alternative. I fail to see an issue with openly discussing the issue that coasty players pose. I'm sure everyone's open to options, but there's no reason to discount obvious ones just because they're obvious. That's silly. Also, in essentially no case other than yours is the inactivity itself the main source of suspicion with any of the inactive slots (at least from my point of view). It's just icing.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

9. ScaryLB59 (8) - Gorf, Jerkus, FullMetalLynch, Werekill, Zen, Nabe, Rajam, Macman

One of the main reasons I happen to like the Nabe and Rajam wagons in particular is the above. They both bothered to hop on Scary at the last minute. Gheb, Vult, etc. could be scum, but with him seemingly being uninterested in riding this wagon for the sake of appearance, it looks like less of a sure thing.

Down for discussing players outside of this, but I don't see myself being more interested in someone other than these guys at deadline unless something pretty dramatic happens.

wrt Vult's 1511: I am maybe not the slot to be saying this, but whining about how everyone is so into the idea of lynching inactives, as an inactive, doesn't mean much. I've yet to see you present a sensible alternative. I fail to see an issue with openly discussing the issue that coasty players pose. I'm sure everyone's open to options, but there's no reason to discount obvious ones just because they're obvious. That's silly. Also, in essentially no case other than yours is the inactivity itself the main source of suspicion with any of the inactive slots (at least from my point of view). It's just icing.

How do you feel about FML's vote on that wagon? Rajam's came at the 0 hour so I don't think there's a read to be made there but FML's vote is the only one I couldn't trace.

 

[Jerkus]

Mostly I'm just hard townreading that slot right now (harder than my other head, probably). I guess I'd be willing to reread, but I recall FML being pretty adamant on the Scary wagon, even though he had the option to at least flip to me pretty safely. So, points.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Still working back on Rajam/Bardull. I want to look at Bardull's entry, Scary's connection to Bardull, and then Rajam's entry into the game again. That slot has some questionable movements as well but I haven't given it priority because there's a lot less there to analyze.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Mostly I'm just hard townreading that slot right now (harder than my other head, probably). I guess I'd be willing to reread, but I recall FML being pretty adamant on the Scary wagon, even though he had the option to at least flip to me pretty safely. So, points.

Where? I didn't see it during my reread yesterday and I don't see why that slot garners such a townread at the moment. My memory of them is fairly weak so I'm open to suggestion but I don't necessarily like that slot nearly as much as some do (though I'm not as adamant they're scum as some would suggest).

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Talk to me about why you think Nabe is more of a play here. I don't hate that slot nearly as much as others do and I want to see some more justification for Nabe other than "he's not saying anything". I think his votes say a lot personally.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

We voted Scary way early on. Everyone kept thinking it was a joke but i was legit