Metaknight should be banned

[Nocturnalist]

metaknight is the shiek of brawl to me...everyone jump on that character so fast.......i really hate metaknight to tell you truth..

 

[boss8]

In order to make the game more likable and less gay. A lot of people are fed up with MK's bs priority and lagless attacks and MASSIVE stalling potential.

ok we will ban metaknight if u stop using bananas deal???

 

[Grunt]

Plenty of people have been able to reference Sirlin and then give their thoughts from there and on what points they agreed with which justified their linking to Sirlin.

I hope to god you're still not talking about me.
o.0

+ it seems most people have finally figured it out, that he's not so unstoppable no one else can win.

That, or all the Ban-happy scrubs have left.

 

[thumbswayup]

ok we will ban metaknight if u stop using bananas deal???

Don't even get me started. Diddy is nothing without bananas and ALL you have to do is pick them up and use them against him. Not hard. Once you do that get Diddy of the stage and gimp him THE END

 

[AtticusFinch]

If you think meta is so good that he automatically gets the advantaged over the other player, then main meta.

If not, then accept it and just try to beat the odds.

That's my opinion lawls

 

[JJR.O.B.]

I mean, who counters Metaknight

G&W


'nuff said

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

maybe you need to read this thread.
many reasons have already been listed explaining the same things as Sirlin.
You need to stop being so uptight. Just because ****ing brawl noobs can't take anything anyone here says seriously, outside sources NEED to be used to get simple facts THROUGH THEIR THICK ****ING SKULLS.
These critera are used throughout THE ENTIRE COMPETITIVE FIGHTING GAME COMMUNITY, not just smash.
SIRLIN.NET

Dude, this is a losing battle. You're up against one of the more respected members of SWF, and you just keep saying the exact same thing over and over. You can't use other people's work as your opinion.

 

[Vulcan55]

There is no point not to link Sirlin when the point has already been made a hundred times.

 

[Baky]

maybe you need to read this thread.
many reasons have already been listed explaining the same things as Sirlin.
You need to stop being so uptight. Just because ****ing brawl noobs can't take anything anyone here says seriously, outside sources NEED to be used to get simple facts THROUGH THEIR THICK ****ING SKULLS.
These critera are used throughout THE ENTIRE COMPETITIVE FIGHTING GAME COMMUNITY, not just smash.
SIRLIN.NET

Vulcan do you even know what your arguing about anymore?

G&W


'nuff said

GW has a better matchup than almost every other character but he is not a counter.

 

[Zankoku]

At the tournament level, meta will always have the advantage if used competently.

I fully support this ban.

I'm with you, sorta.

I vote we ban every male character in the game.

maybe you need to read this thread.
many reasons have already been listed explaining the same things as Sirlin.
You need to stop being so uptight. Just because ****ing brawl noobs can't take anything anyone here says seriously, outside sources NEED to be used to get simple facts THROUGH THEIR THICK ****ING SKULLS.

I've been reading this thread since its inception. I'm sorry if I didn't make my opinion on this issue clear, because I usually don't put in subjectively-based opinions given my stance on those. But the obvious answer is - more Meta Knights need to place well for anything to be conclusive. Too bad I've been arguing against people who were stupid about their opinions, at least half of whom were arguing against the ban (seriously, where are all the intelligent regulars who don't want MK banned?).

Also, good job linking to someone's website. Want to go ahead and explain to said thickheaded noobs that you intended them to then go to the link on his site to read the online version of his "Playing to Win" book, and specifically read the chapter on banning things in a game? Oh wait, nevermind.

Sirlin.net - enough of a reason to close ANY thread ever

 

[Vulcan55]

Vulcan do you even know what your arguing about anymore?

Ankoku got pissy because people were linking to Sirlin and apparently, that isnot enough to justify ones opinion, even though they were stated in earlier posts.

 

[Plairnkk]

Thanks ankoku, obviously one of the few intelligent people here.

I agree MK is gay and the best and potentially broken, but nothing has been proven and as of now, top players seem to beat him just fine.

 

[memphischains]

I love Ankoku

 

[Grunt]

I like this thread now.
I can keep pressing F5 and find something more entertaining.
Like 4chan

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I'm with you, sorta.

I vote we ban every male character in the game.

ROB is genderless, so I'm going to back you up on this one (sorry wario, it was fun.)

 

[Darkurai]

I like this thread now.
I can keep pressing F5 and find something more entertaining.
Like 4chan

It's sad that GBD has become this...

 

[popsofctown]

I'm on the "let's wait a few months" team. He isn't quite winning enough tournaments, there isn't quite enough evidence yet.

However, i fear that some will drop the character in fear of investing in a doomed character. Then this decreased popularity could decrease his tournament results, without decreasing the actual advantages the players using him have.
I would urge that the evaluaters make sure this is not the case before they declare him innocent.

 

[Twilght Link]

Ban is a definite possibility but first wait for the metagame to evolve. I have beaten good mks by pushing my tlink to his limits (i think i beat an mk once with link) but i feel that i am at a large disadvantage. Luckily my bombs stop his tornado but he is near impossible to edgeguard and his attack speed is Godly. Snakes only pose minimal threat to me because i can outspam them( i hate how they never die). Mk is a very popular character so banning him needs some consideration and we might start a banning fever by banning mk. Who's to say players won't start trying to ban snake afterwards because he's "next in line to be considered broken". And even if we ban mk i think it should only be in tournaments where money or a prize is involved because normal casual players don't really know about tiers and exploit mk and won't be in the real competitive tournaments where pros go.

 

[JCaesar]

Why don't we stop looking at this from the point of view of "There's a slight chance MK won't be running every tournament a year from now" and instead think about how much the tournament scene would be enriched by the exclusion of MK.

At high level (nothing else matters, and if you don't play brawl at high level and go to tourneys please kindly stop posting here), MK has no counters or even matchups, and is in fact most characters' worst matchup. How many more characters would be tourney viable if MK was banned? How much more exciting and competitive and varied would the tournament scene be if MK was banned? Just think about these things.

Also, a ban would definitely NOT create a domino effect. Every other character in the game, even Snake and DDD, has bad matchups, regardless of tier.

Lastly I'd like you to really ask yourself, why is a ban impossible? We ban items and stages without a second thought. Why is banning a character such a big deal if it would make the tournament scene so much better?

It has nothing to do with the intentions of the creators of the game. If it were up to them we'd be playing on every stage for 2 minutes with items on. We fixed their game to make it more competitively viable. There is absolutely NO difference between fixing these things and removing a character with the same purpose in mind. You people really need to open your mind.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8xzjv3uzvU

lol MK

 

[DAlegendarysamus]

i'm So Sick Of People That Never Played Sf Comparing Metaknight To Akuma.

Akuma Broke Street Fighter. He Wasn't A Tough Match-up. He Wasn't Really Good. He Was The Only Character In The Game. With His Aerial Fireballs And Fast Movement Speed He Could Simply Outzone Every Character In The Game. The Only Finals Were Akuma Vs Akuma And Then They Finally Banned Him. Might I Add It's Only A Soft Ban, Some Players Still Use Him It's Just Considered Dishonorable, At Least That's How The Sf Tournies In Japan Are. Noone Uses Him Because Of The Shame Of Winning With Him, He Broke The Game, He Did Things The Game Engine Simply Couldn't Handle.

Nice Try Though.

******** Mk Is Like Shin Akuma In Sf That They Banned Dude Thats What Ppl Probably Are Referring To.

 

[Grunt]

Why don't we stop looking at this from the point of view of "There's a slight chance MK won't be running every tournament a year from now" and instead think about how much the tournament scene would be enriched by the exclusion of MK.

Why not Snake? he's winning more tournaments.

There is no knowing if MK will become this unstoppable force, but if it does, Then we should ban him. if not, we have gotten rid of a perfectly fine character for no reason. This is truly a scrub mentality, when you want to ban something with no evidence behind it. the only real way to know if said character is unstoppable, is if he dominates tournaments, which he isn't.

 

[Darkurai]

******** Mk Is Like Shin Akuma In Sf That They Banned Dude Thats What Ppl Probably Are Referring To.

Did you just edit his post to make it all caps!?

 

[Twilght Link]

Why don't we stop looking at this from the point of view of "There's a slight chance MK won't be running every tournament a year from now" and instead think about how much the tournament scene would be enriched by the exclusion of MK.

At high level (nothing else matters, and if you don't play brawl at high level and go to tourneys please kindly stop posting here), MK has no counters or even matchups, and is in fact most characters' worst matchup. How many more characters would be tourney viable if MK was banned? How much more exciting and competitive and varied would the tournament scene be if MK was banned? Just think about these things.

Also, a ban would definitely NOT create a domino effect. Every other character in the game, even Snake and DDD, has bad matchups, regardless of tier.

Lastly I'd like you to really ask yourself, why is a ban impossible? We ban items and stages without a second thought. Why is banning a character such a big deal if it would make the tournament scene so much better?

It has nothing to do with the intentions of the creators of the game. If it were up to them we'd be playing on every stage for 2 minutes with items on. We fixed their game to make it more competitively viable. There is absolutely NO difference between fixing these things and removing a character with the same purpose in mind. You people really need to open your mind.

I don't go to offline tournaments(yet) but i do play competitively. I completely agree but we should wait until the metagame evolves and more tournament results are obtained. If mk is seen to be near unstoppable then i will completely agree.

 

[Crank]

That'd explain why I've never seen one...

I was using that in defense his popularity, because all I'm hearing is "he always places high at tournies" when clearly, he doesn't "always."

It just bothers me. Brawl already has enough turn offs against it. It doesn't need a bunch of ignorant players ridiculously explaining why MK should be banned.

It'll never happen. And so long as people continue to rag on this game, I'll be here to defend it.

For one thing, the people here aren't ragging on the game, they are ragging on a certain part of the game that happens to be ubar-retardedly broken. You can't punish him, and if you can't punish his moves, how can you win?

 

[JCaesar]

Why not Snake? he's winning more tournaments.

There is no knowing if MK will become this unstoppable force, but if it does, Then we should ban him. if not, we have gotten rid of a perfectly fine character for no reason. This is truly a scrub mentality, when you want to ban something with no evidence behind it. the only real way to know if said character is unstoppable, is if he dominates tournaments, which he isn't.

We got rid of items without giving them a chance either. Also look at my last 2 paragraphs, I think you're missing my point.

 

[DAlegendarysamus]

Claps

why Don't We Stop Looking At This From The Point Of View Of "there's A Slight Chance Mk Won't Be Running Every Tournament A Year From Now" And Instead Think About How Much The Tournament Scene Would Be Enriched By The Exclusion Of Mk.

At High Level (nothing Else Matters, And If You Don't Play Brawl At High Level And Go To Tourneys Please Kindly Stop Posting Here), Mk Has No Counters Or Even Matchups, And Is In Fact Most Characters' Worst Matchup. How Many More Characters Would Be Tourney Viable If Mk Was Banned? How Much More Exciting And Competitive And Varied Would The Tournament Scene Be If Mk Was Banned? Just Think About These Things.

Also, A Ban Would Definitely Not Create A Domino Effect. Every Other Character In The Game, Even Snake And Ddd, Has Bad Matchups, Regardless Of Tier.

Lastly I'd Like You To Really Ask Yourself, Why Is A Ban Impossible? We Ban Items And Stages Without A Second Thought. Why Is Banning A Character Such A Big Deal If It Would Make The Tournament Scene So Much Better?

It Has Nothing To Do With The Intentions Of The Creators Of The Game. If It Were Up To Them We'd Be Playing On Every Stage For 2 Minutes With Items On. We Fixed Their Game To Make It More Competitively Viable. There Is Absolutely No Difference Between Fixing These Things And Removing A Character With The Same Purpose In Mind. You People Really Need To Open Your Mind.

Thank You Man You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth Man **** I Wish There Were More Ppl Like You. **** I Am Surprised That Ppl Like You Exist In Md. Wow

Please Dude Make A Poll For This **** And Then If The End Result Is To Ban Him Take That Info To The Backroom Where The ***it Moderators Are So They Can Deny The Obvious.

 

[JCaesar]

Thank You Man You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth Man **** I Wish There Were More Ppl Like You. **** I Am Surprised That Ppl Like You Exist In Md. Wow

Please Dude Make A Poll For This **** And Then If The End Result Is To Ban Him Take That Info To The Backroom Where The ***it Moderators Are So They Can Deny The Obvious.

I am the anti-Plank

 

[DAlegendarysamus]

why bann items

Items Arent That Bad Ppl They Kinda Balance The Game Out. I Say This If You Keep Mk Keep Items On If There Arent Any Items Ban Mk Plain And Simple.
Smashballs Make The Game Balanced Too Look At Snake Mk And D3's Final Smashes It Takes Skills To Kill With Them Plus They Arent That Good With Items As Appose To A Sonic Whos Final Smash Is Good And Is Fairly Good With Items But As Far As Fighitng And Killing Is Not As Good As Mk,snake Or D3 Overall Its A Balanced Match.

 

[Matador]

Please, JCaesar and Thumbs, just give it a rest. There will be no ban because there's "not enough MKs winning tourneys", and "he's can be defeated". There's no way to refute your points because everyone is thinking the same thing (with the exception of the 08ers).

MK has no bad matchups, and is more than half of the cast's WORST matchup by far. He has no weakness to speak of, and takes minimal skill to learn. Everyone agrees with this, but it'll take time for him to be seen as "breaking the game".

For the record, I didn't agree with this thread from the title, but from page 1 to this one, everything thus far has made sense. Now the only things I don't agree with (and haven't for a long while) are the God-awful reasons and conditions on which things are banned.

I swear, you BR members cling to Sirlin's guide like an effing bible.

 

[Crank]

Items Arent That Bad Ppl They Kinda Balance The Game Out. I Say This If You Keep Mk Keep Items On If There Arent Any Items Ban Mk Plain And Simple.
Smashballs Make The Game Balanced Too Look At Snake Mk And D3's Final Smashes It Takes Skills To Kill With Them Plus They Arent That Good With Items As Appose To A Sonic Whos Final Smash Is Good And Is Fairly Good With Items But As Far As Fighitng And Killing Is Not As Good As Mk,snake Or D3 Overall Its A Balanced Match.

As soon as you said that items balanced the game I /facepalm'd.

 

[hippochinfat!!]

It's because he's bisexual

 

[:034:]

Every character should be banned except for Ganondorf.

Time to step up and learn a real character, scrubs.

 

[Grunt]

We got rid of items without giving them a chance either. Also look at my last 2 paragraphs, I think you're missing my point.

Items are randomly spawning power ups. Randomness=Uncompetitive because worse players can win consistently. No MK would make it more competitive? of course not, or we weould see a bunch of random MK's placing high, but it's consistently M2K and other pros winning.

Let's say your argument is plausible. Well, lets ban Chun-Li in 3S then too. i mean, she's amazing, not Winning all the tournies mind you, but she's gay, so lets oust her. oh, and Sentinel from MVC2. people have won without Sentinel, but cmon, He is such a gay character, let's ban him as well.

See how ******** that is? you need evidence, not just the hope of balancing the game.

 

[Taiki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8xzjv3uzvU

lol MK

This was exactly what i was talking about earlier. The falco player adapted to his opponent's spamtacular playstyle and started making a comeback....although he didn't use lazer on the first stock and was just plain slow on the uptake he still saw the pattern. A better player would catch on quickly. MK does not need to be banned.

Edit: to those who overlooked my first post in this thread

Yes Mk is a pain in the ***, yes he is top tier, but he shouldn't and won't be banned. I'd like to take a second to point out a built in flaw in every character in the game. The human controlling the character. All any fighting game boils down to the ability to read the opponent and act accordingly. After that comes the specific characters and the options every second of the game. Great characters have a multitude of options at any given second for any given situation. It's up to the player to pick the best option at the moment and run with it, but every character has limitations.

While MK has a large number of options at any given point people still make mistakes. Knowing how to put your opponent in an unfavorable position and keep them there is what brawl is about. Know how your opponent likes to kill with MK; does he go for gimps? recover in obscure ways. Does he love the down smash a bit too much? Jump and punish with the dair, or sheild roll dodge backwards and act accordingly. In any match people tend to fall into certain habits if they believe it'll win the match for them. Watching your opponent's habbits and using that aganist them can still turn around a game and even flip matchups.

So For those too lazy to read a couple paragraphs, humans limit the ability of the character and knowing your opponent's limitations and advatages are half the battle.

Also let me take a moment to say good **** Baky. Your comments really prove that this immature discrimination aganist 08s is misplaced.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

As soon as you said that items balanced the game I /facepalm'd.

So I heard sarcasm is fun. You should try it.

 

[thumbswayup]

Why don't we stop looking at this from the point of view of "There's a slight chance MK won't be running every tournament a year from now" and instead think about how much the tournament scene would be enriched by the exclusion of MK.

At high level (nothing else matters, and if you don't play brawl at high level and go to tourneys please kindly stop posting here), MK has no counters or even matchups, and is in fact most characters' worst matchup. How many more characters would be tourney viable if MK was banned? How much more exciting and competitive and varied would the tournament scene be if MK was banned? Just think about these things.

Also, a ban would definitely NOT create a domino effect. Every other character in the game, even Snake and DDD, has bad matchups, regardless of tier.

Lastly I'd like you to really ask yourself, why is a ban impossible? We ban items and stages without a second thought. Why is banning a character such a big deal if it would make the tournament scene so much better?

It has nothing to do with the intentions of the creators of the game. If it were up to them we'd be playing on every stage for 2 minutes with items on. We fixed their game to make it more competitively viable. There is absolutely NO difference between fixing these things and removing a character with the same purpose in mind. You people really need to open your mind.

Everyone should read this post. In fact, I'm putting it in the OP.

Thank You Man You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth Man **** I Wish There Were More Ppl Like You. **** I Am Surprised That Ppl Like You Exist In Md. Wow

Please Dude Make A Poll For This **** And Then If The End Result Is To Ban Him Take That Info To The Backroom Where The ***it Moderators Are So They Can Deny The Obvious.

Hmmm, maybe I should make a poll for this.

Items Arent That Bad Ppl They Kinda Balance The Game Out. I Say This If You Keep Mk Keep Items On If There Arent Any Items Ban Mk Plain And Simple.
Smashballs Make The Game Balanced Too Look At Snake Mk And D3's Final Smashes It Takes Skills To Kill With Them Plus They Arent That Good With Items As Appose To A Sonic Whos Final Smash Is Good And Is Fairly Good With Items But As Far As Fighitng And Killing Is Not As Good As Mk,snake Or D3 Overall Its A Balanced Match.

As a Sonic user, I completely understand where you're coming from and kinda agree with you and I'm the last guy to advocate using items. It seems that a character like Sonic is almost nothing on the tournament scene, but if smash balls were on he'd actually go even with characters like MK and DDD (and my god, do I hate DDD). Going Super Sonic is hella fun and I'd send those MKs to the depths of hell.

 

[popsofctown]

A better player would catch on more quickly?? That's Sethlon. He's one of the best Falcos.

 

[Youko]

Unbelievable that nobody reported this asinine thread.