Megaman X: Day of Death. ~ EVERYBODY DIED. SCUM WINS. GAME OVER.

[Overswarm]

That would depend on when he defended Boat and why. I almost always pick at least one random townie to defend when I'm scum; eventually they'll flip and people will say "oh, OS defended him" or I'll flip scum and people will scour over my posts and say "Well he's being awfully defensive of this guy" and lynch him.

Do you have evidence of him going after one inactive lynch but not another?

 

[Overswarm]

Raziek, what do you think?

 

[Overswarm]

Red Ryu and Tery, your thoughts as well.

 

[Raziek]

Do you have evidence of him going after one inactive lynch but not another?

Not inactives per se, but I find it pretty telling the discrepancy in terms of his stances on Tery and Inferno vs. Boat.

I'm having a hard time seeing why he would defend Boat the inactive, but then push those two as much as possible, especially that close to the deadline.

From scum perspective, it makes sense. He's trying to draw attention away from an inactive scummate by pressing slightly inactive/somewhat questionable townies.

I am however, worried that he had virtually no interaction with JTB, given how he was defending Boat. Nobody was really saying "Lynch JTB", but it still worries me.

I still believe Boat should be today's lynch. While OS has a point that Soup may have been a dumb mod and made the Town roles incredibly obvious, I think it's extremely premature to clear anyone based on that. We've had a scum flip, and nothing else. We have no Town flips to actually verify that claim.

vote: Boatchouli

 

[Gova]

1. Inferno3044 ()
2. JTB ()
3. Overswarm (2) Xatres, Nich
4. Red Ryu ()
6. Analytical Buttheads ()
7. Rajam ()
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres (2) Rajam, Tery
10. Terywj ()
11. Raziek (2) Boat, JTB
12. Boatchouli (3) RR, OS, Raziek
13. Frozenflame751 ()

Not voting - Inferno, AB, FF

With 12 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is September 30th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[Overswarm]

Vote JTB

 

[Raziek]

I'll roll with JTB if it comes to it, but what makes him a better choice than Boat to you?

 

[Inferno3044]

Raziek stole a lot about what I had to say. Also holy crap at the deadline coming so soon. I definitely lost track of time. We should wait until tomorrow to prove OS's logic on this game. By D3, there will be a lot of deaths to prove/disprove his theory. Assuming boat isn't lying, he will flip a maverick and then 3 others will flip (assuming he NK target doesn't get doc'd). I still think Boat is a fine choice.

Vote: Boatchouli

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Uhhh I'm more or less inclined to go against JTB because Boat can help us out endgame?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll post a little later when I'm not having a headache.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Shut up Tery, seriously. Do you actually think Boat is going to be of any help in this game? And even if that was the case you'd leave a suspicious player alive until endgame because of that?!? JTB has been of much more help recently than Boat has been all game. I don't even mean to be rude but you come off like you put no effort or thought into this game AT ALL.

Raziek WTF, you say you'd roll with JTB but don't even know what people vote him for? Tool much? Confirmed member of my grill list for toMorrow.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Shut up Tery, seriously. Do you actually think Boat is going to be of any help in this game? And even if that was the case you'd leave a suspicious player alive until endgame because of that?!? JTB has been of much more help recently than Boat has been all game. I don't even mean to be rude but you come off like you put no effort or thought into this game AT ALL.

Raziek WTF, you say you'd roll with JTB but don't even know what people vote him for? Tool much? Confirmed member of my grill list for toMorrow.

Whatever...

 

[Raziek]

if it comes to it

It's like you don't read.

I want Boat dead, but I'll take JTB over a No Lynch if we're scrambling.

I also asked OS for HIS OPINION, not the general opinion on JTB.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Shut up Tery, seriously.

I'm completely okay with this. If you actually read my posts you'd know I'm in no position to argue anything nor do I care about this anymore.

Ask and ye shall receive.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

here comes the arm is basically a reference to a song by The Protomen.

anyone on that list were modkilled.

luckily, for you guys..

Nabe officially replaces Rajam!

Please welcome him with a warm and greeting smile, but try not to die in the proccess.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I really do reccomend you listen to The Protomen, it's a good band...

 

[Inferno3044]

Welcome Nabe.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Thanks Nabe for replacing. Any thoughts?

Boat lynch is fine by me, as I've previously stated.

I'd like people's thoughts on me vs OS if they aren't out already.

 

[Inferno3044]

Thanks Nabe for replacing. Any thoughts?

Boat lynch is fine by me, as I've previously stated.

I'd like people's thoughts on me vs OS if they aren't out already.

I need you to reply to OS's defense before I can really put sides. I will say that I think you are town for obvious reasons.

 

[Overswarm]

What reasons are those, inferno?

 

[Inferno3044]

The last minute Circus lynch. Unless Nich is a really ballsy player, that wasn't a bus.

 

[Overswarm]

What would your opinion be of Nich if we discovered there was a second scum team?

 

[Inferno3044]

What would your opinion be of Nich if we discovered there was a second scum team?

Then there is a possibility that he is scum although I still doubt he is. Until a 2nd scum team is found I have a town read on Nich.

 

[Raziek]

Two teams of two with no indies? Plausible, but seems unlikely if the number of claimed VTs is accurate. Wouldn't convince me unless we had an actual flip that suggested it.

 

[Overswarm]

Then there is a possibility that he is scum although I still doubt he is. Until a 2nd scum team is found I have a town read on Nich.

Why do you doubt it assuming the possibility of a second scum team?

Two teams of two with no indies? Plausible, but seems unlikely if the number of claimed VTs is accurate. Wouldn't convince me unless we had an actual flip that suggested it.

FoS: Raziek

There are exactly four claimed VTs. AB, You, Boat, and Circus. 0 VT flips.

Circus flipped scum.

You want Boat dead, so I'm assuming you either don't believe his claim or are scum.

AB claimed VT... "mostly".

You're the only one left.

How does is one to two VT claims seem unordinary for two two-man scum teams?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Hey, reading.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Brief summary paragraph from Raziek or Inferno, whichever gets here first.

The player who doesn't hit that should give me a recap of their current reads.

 

[Raziek]

Forgive me for making a mistake?

Everyone who has claimed so far except Tery has claimed VT, so I thought there were more than just that. Even still, it's setup speculation, OS.

@Nabe:

Day 1 was at lot of back and forth between OS and AB, ultimately culminating in a wagon on AB. After a near-miss on another color fiasco that convinced us AB was pretty likely to be Town, AB swung the wagon around after Frozenflame. After that, Frozenflame raged a ton, then he and Nich swung the wagon onto Circus, who got caught with his pants down and turned up scum.

Day 2 has been marked primarily by interactions between Boat and I, and OS/Nich. Tery has claimed Vengeful Townie, Boat and I have both claimed VT.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

That would depend on when he defended Boat and why. I almost always pick at least one random townie to defend when I'm scum; eventually they'll flip and people will say "oh, OS defended him" or I'll flip scum and people will scour over my posts and say "Well he's being awfully defensive of this guy" and lynch him.

Do you have evidence of him going after one inactive lynch but not another?

OS, you just have to ask, "who benefits?" In this scenario I presume that circus is at least reasonably good.

Now, I presume that boat is town, how does circus benefit?:

1. If Boat gets lynched first and he is town, what does circus gain? Enormous amounts of attention for defying his normal policies towards inactives. Only a really bad player is gonna to forget their normal policies or not realize that somebody will notice the person defying their normal pattern? The flip would get circus MORE attention, not less.

2. If Circus gets lynched first then he's only bringing attention on an already really scummy player, he gets something slightly useful here I guess, but is it worth making a visible scumslip (which defying his normal pattern was)?


So regardless of who dies first, circus gains no real value of it and incurs a great risk. Risking himself for a scummate however, that has value. If he depended on us wiforming ourselves out of a scum connection if he got lynched first, doubly so.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Hi Nabe.

Also read up on both Nich and OS. I get why Nich is suspcious of OS, but still I find OS' reponse to be satisfactory. It's TvT atm and I find far more people in this game to be worth looking at over OS. Part of what Nich wants is showing how OS is hard to read, which is not something worth lynching him over.

JTB and Raziek should answer my questions, same with Nich.

Inferno is not making me feel good about him being alive, I am not lynching JTB today. The fact Raziek is fine with going on it is making me feel less good about him. Boat is fine, though if left with no options I would push him.

Raziek is the play to me, while his play with Circus makes me less feel like he would flip scum his voting patterns today have been very bleck, also with the OMGUS votes.

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Vote: Raziek

 

[Raziek]

You're voting me because of my voting patterns? Look who's on the wagons and tell me why we should trust JTB or Boat, Ryu.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

JTB is making himself useful nothing screams scum from him, Boat's responses and pointing out of OS and you have been better than your play.

Yes I am voting you because how you have voted and mentions how you will place votes.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Another quickie post until I get time to reply in full.

Will someone once and for all summarize the case (with as many quotes as possible) against Raziek? I don't see him as scum.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i'm thinking of modkilling Rajam Xatres with the flip of toDay, please let me know what you think of this.

 

[JTB]

AB, your stance on Raziek revolves around his D1 play and his vote on Circus. What about his play toDay? Does his push on Boat seem townie? Look at his case and tell me of his points are valid.

Now with regards to Raziek bussing Circus being an unlikely possibility, consider this. You have repeatedly mentioned that scum was caught with their pants down, is it not also a possibility that Raziek put his vote on Circus without considering his lynch would go through?

 

[Raziek]

OS, why do you keep requesting a prod on me? If you want me here for questions, then ask them already and not act like you care about my activity.

and btw, it hasn't even been 2 days since I last posted. problem?

I still want raziek lynched, I haven't seen anything that makes me question my read on him. All he's done is use his spot on circus' wagon to justify why people should have a town read on him and push boat with an omgus vote/connections case that doesn't hold any merit at all.

AB, you said previously that raziek wouldn't be the play. Is there something I'm missing that gives him a town read or do you really believe that his vote on circus should be taken as town?

You call this kind of thing being useful? He's made like 3 content posts total today, and his reasoning for voting me is:

"He hasn't done anything to question my read on him"

Note clearly that his "read" is unsupported outside of the second part of his post, which is claiming that my push on Boat is OMGUS (it isn't), and that it holds no merit.

I argue that it DOES in fact hold merit, because Circus play is almost entirely unscripted due to how quickly the wagon formed on him. Scum is at their most vulnerable when things happen quickly, and he CLEARLY didn't see his lynch coming.

This jump on my wagon is gross, Ryu.

 

[Inferno3044]

Brief summary paragraph from Raziek or Inferno, whichever gets here first.

The player who doesn't hit that should give me a recap of their current reads.

If you don't mind I'm gonna list.

-AB claimed VT and has a 2 day vote block for mentioning the color.
-Circus was killed D1 and was scum. Lynch led by Nich with about 6 hours before deadline.
-Nobody died N1.
-Frozen claimed that he was targeted for a kill last night, but didn't die.
-Tery claimed vengeful, Raziek and Boat both claimed VT.
-Xatres says that he knows that there is a mafia role cop, but nothing more. He will be modkilled if not replaced.
-Nich has put a case on the table regarding OS.

@OS - His motives and actions seem townie to me. Nothing he has done struck me as scummy.

 

[Raziek]

Ninja'd by JTB, ironically.

 

[Raziek]

@Soup: If he's being modkilled with the flip today, will his faction be punished, or is he simply being mod-removed?

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Raz's answer is exactly what I would expect out of Raz-town, speculating the setup based on assuming the high number of VT claims meant that there was more.

His response doesn't particularly indicate knee-jerking against multiple scumteams, at best his resistance to the idea furthers the case that he's not likely to be on Circus' scumteam.

Hi Nabe.

Also read up on both Nich and OS. I get why Nich is suspcious of OS, but still I find OS' reponse to be satisfactory. It's TvT atm and I find far more people in this game to be worth looking at over OS. Part of what Nich wants is showing how OS is hard to read, which is not something worth lynching him over.

JTB and Raziek should answer my questions, same with Nich.

Inferno is not making me feel good about him being alive, I am not lynching JTB today. The fact Raziek is fine with going on it is making me feel less good about him. Boat is fine, though if left with no options I would push him.

Raziek is the play to me, while his play with Circus makes me less feel like he would flip scum his voting patterns today have been very bleck, also with the OMGUS votes.

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Vote: Raziek

RR, why are Raz's vote patterns scummy, illustrate please.