Megaman X: Day of Death. ~ EVERYBODY DIED. SCUM WINS. GAME OVER.

[Inferno3044]

RR, did the order you listed them have any significance?

 

[Overswarm]

Xatres, claim how he knew there was a mafia role cop yet?

 

[Gova]

1. Inferno3044 ()
2. JTB ()
3. Overswarm (1) Xatres
4. Red Ryu ()
6. Analytical Buttheads ()
7. Rajam ()
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres ()
10. Terywj ()
11. Raziek (2) Boat, JTB
12. Boatchouli (4) RR, OS, Raziek, Nich
13. Frozenflame751 ()

Not voting - Inferno, AB, Rajam, Tery, FF

With 12 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is September 30th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[Inferno3044]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5825Wu0WjA

Vote: Raziek

Spoiler

unvote

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Hey Inferno, mind actually - you know - playing the game?

Xatres, claim how he knew there was a mafia role cop yet?

For once, I have to support Overswarm's request. I really don't like the amount of roleclaims and hints we've had - especially since they were pushed by OS who is by no means worthy of any trust - but that's the kind of knowledge that directly hints at the mafia and if you have a way to confirm or substantiate the claim then you should go for it. Otherwise you can't expect any of us to believe you.

Finally, after some talking adum and I came to the conclusion that we should leave Tery alive. Maybe for a longer while but definitely for toDay at least - his claim has put town in a win / win situation and we want to abuse that to its fullest. The mafia can choose to leave him alive and we'll have him in mylo / lylo either as a powerful tool [in case his claim is legit] or a guaranteed scumbag [if he's lying] or they can kill him in which case the power players remain safe during N2 and they eliminate an otherwise fairly suspicious player.

 

[Overswarm]

Xatres, your claim's up.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

There is no signifigance to the order.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Let's see that claim, Xatres.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'll be V/LA for the next couple of days. Three exams coming up, along with a new lab and a half-dozen assignments. Mafia will not be on my list of priorities.

Perhaps not V/LA, just indecent when it comes to following and posting here.

 

[Rajam]

#209:

So, to be clear, you do or do not have some strong suspicion toward Inferno?

I would consider basically anyone a better lynch than a no lynch. Though I'm going to tell you right now that you trying to set-up Ryker as the default fallback lynch this early in the game, based on pretty much nothing, is not rubbing me the right way about you at all. There are plenty of people I would have no problem falling back on before Ryker, and he would be a good choice for scum to try and get rid of early if he's town. If he's still alive by D3, then we can talk about lynching him. But until then, he's not the kind of person I just want to throw away on D1 if we don't someone better. We'll find someone better. I know you and Ryker have some out-of-game beef or something, and I'm hoping that's not what is informing your opinion of him here.

I think I want him to start playing soon, because I didn't even note that he was in this game until just recently.

I do not share your town read on Rajam. Can you point to what it is that gives you that read?

What kind of question is this? Weirdest form of buddying I think I've ever seen.

If there's scum between AB and OS, it's AB. The headbutting those two were doing earlier just looked like ego v. ego to me, but this random buddying from AB afterward feels really grimey.



At least one person on this wagon is being opportunistic.

Vote: Inferno

Tery can die. But that's a job for a vig, if anyone, the way I see it right now.

At the end Circus was just "bullying" Nich with that question on Inferno, since Nich's initial case on Inferno wasn't taken serious by anyone (a lot of people said Inferno posting fluff was just a null read). This plus the fact that Circus voted Inferno in that same post, plus Nich's responses in #211 and overall play, makes me discard Nich as scum. Circus' defense on Boatchouli is null since trying to analyze that is WIFOM. 3rd and 5th paragraphs are also null on JTB. 6th paragraph makes me think AB is not scum, which would mean OS vs AB at the beginning was T-vs-T. Still what I quoted from AB in my last post puts me on the fence. Both OS and AB are leaning slightly town reads.

I would strongly look on Inferno if it weren't by Circus' first paragraph. Wouldn't make sense to try a bus on Inferno in the same post you're pseudo-defending him by "bullying" Nich. Terywj is also probably town; if he was scum, that last paragraph callying a vig to kill his scum partner would be totally unnecesary and risky.

For this post Circus started to look from Nich #138 onwards. He brought issues like Nich vs Boatchouli, Ryker's pics, OS vs AB, Terywj posting, JTB asking OS about his wagon. Circus basically touched every relevant issue in between, except for maybe Ryker's scum team (Nich/OS/AB). Red Ryu and Xatres also posted in between but Circus ignored them, though none of those said anything much relevant. Since those three (Nich/OS/AB) are very likely town, it's hard to determine if Circus just let a Town-vs-Towns scenario going on and let it grow, or if he left his scum partner do that same thing. It also seems that Circus had a town read on OS in his #209, but it isn't really clear. Again, I think not much can be concluded from this in regards to Boatchouli; Circus could've defended him either because he is his scum partner, or because he was so wrong charging against three allegedly town members.

So, Nich, OS, AB and Terywj shouldn't be scum. Specially Nich. The next quote is Nich's #211 with responses towards Circus' #209, which as I said before puts Nich in the top of town list, at least for me:

Slight suspicion, but nothing major.


Let's just say I don't think he's likely to start contributing with anything aside from lolpics and "VOTE NICH UNVOTE VOTE NICH" any time soon, he's basically an inactive that is guaranteed to remain inactive. So yeah, if we don't get someone actively scummy (which I'm not too worried about), he'd be my first fallback lynch choice.

*snip*

Huh? That did not seem like buddying to me, explain yourself.


I agree with this, AB's post there felt pretty bad, since OS was in no danger of a lynch. I'd be cautious with a town read on OS though... *cough* FE *cough*.


I take it you think their play is just Ryker being Ryker? What did you think about how emotional they seemed when I was asking a few questions?

Circus' #215:

I guess I have a higher opinion of him than you do. If I were scum and Ryker wasn't on my team, I would want him gone before he had a chance to sniff me out. Because I would expect him to do so. In fact, I pretty much tried to do exactly that in Super Heroes, as I'm sure you're intimately aware. I kept thinking I could use his abrasiveness against him to get him lynched so I wouldn't have to deal with him pointing fingers at me all game long.

You seem to have better meta on him than I do (which makes sense; I basically have none). I don't consider the idea that the entire scum team is bad all that unlikely, and the way Rajam is reaching for the point you're highlighting specifically rings insincere to me. I tend not to give much weight to "scummates wouldn't let so-and-so do that" logic anyway.

For accuracy's sake, I wasn't ignoring him as much as I was waiting for him to come back to the thread to see if he would respond to me before getting too hopped up on what I've been seeing from him. I've had my eye on him since his first post directed at me.

Mostly Royal Sleepover. You were town there. I've skimmed games that may have had you in them that aren't sticking in my memory, but Sleepover's my biggest reference point because I actually had to read that game when I replaced in. It seemed like you didn't like RVS there either.

I attribute your initial wagon almost entirely to people being in RVS mode. The Boat wagon seems to have formed very suddenly, and with no reason given that I find worthwhile. It's possible that there were also opportunistic people on your wagon, but Boat's feels more telling. Four people are on that wagon, and they all seem to think they have a decent reason to be there, and none of them do.

This second quote of Circus makes me think a little better of OS and Boatchouli, and from the 1st paragraph it actually seems (at least I'm getting the impression) Circus was just defending Boatchouli because of his wrong scum team. I know I said before it's WIFOM, but I'd slightly put the ballance towards Boatchouli town. About OS, in his #210 he left a "perfect" theory in which I'd actually look bad in case of a scum flip of Circus ( -_- ), but the same Circus refuted that in this quote, which indicates OS shouldn't be Circus' scum partner.

#217:

Why not JTB or Xartes or Tery or *glances at player list* Raziek (he's in this game?) if that's the case? So far, I would assume all of them to be similarly useless this game. But I also wouldn't really consider any of them a threat to scum, where as Ryker could be. That's why this is bothering me. Would you not consider Rykertown to be an asset if we have him?

He unvoted Overswarm and then basically asked "Who do you hate the most on your wagon, OS? I'll take 'em down with ya!" Looks like he's trying to get on OS' good side but doesn't know how to do it in a way that looks natural.

I didn't read FE, but I'll keep it in mind. I wouldn't say that I have an active town read on OS yet, but I have leaning scum reads on multiple players who have interacted with him that make me feel okay with him for now.

Yes, I think Ryker's just being Ryker. He's always antagonistic; it's not a scumtell. I know nothing about Moth. I may be projecting too much, but I consider attacks on things like Ryker's pic posting and "emotional" responses and antagonistic style to be fishy, because they remind me of myself in Super Heroes. It doesn't take much effort to point at a player with a playstyle that people don't like and try to turn town against them purely on that basis. All the better if it's a player that is good at finding scum. And then, when he's dead, you can just say "well, we're better off without having to worry about him anyway."

2nd paragraph looks like an honest disconnection with JTB. At this point I'm also discarding him.

So, in resume OS, AB, JTB, Terywj and Nich shouldn't be scum. None of these quotes from Circus indicates some sort of connection to someone, so scum should be among the players which Circus plain ignored: Red Ryu, FF, Xatres and Raziek. Not sure about Inferno or Boatchouli, specially Inferno since Circus didn't took a clear stance regarding him in #209 (regardless of the vote, he actually pseudo-defended him in the 1st paragraph), and didn't explained much why he was being oportunistic, so I'll leave these two in the "possibly scum" still.

I don't have an oppinion on FF and Raziek yet. Null. Red Ryu was up to nothing at the beginning of the same, and Xatres has shown himself sorta unconfident. Red Ryu's play though was a little more "exposed" than Xatres'; Xatres was following a careful way, without risking his throat much. I still think Xatres is scum.

vote: Xatres

 

[Raziek]

 

[Overswarm]

@mod request prod on Xatres if he is eligible

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Overswarm
I want you to summarize the Xatres and Raziek cases. (And I want a straight answer to this, not a "Think like OS".) Why should they be considered for the lynch over Boat?

 

[Overswarm]

Maybe later.

Xatres, claim.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Humor me, is there any particular reason why you shouldn't give it?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

OS is lynching Tery even a good idea right now? I know his slot is scummy but I have a hard time thinking he would fake claim that as scum. Since a claim like that adds incentive to push his lynch to prove himself.

 

[Overswarm]

Humor me, is there any particular reason why you shouldn't give it?

Yes.

Xatres hasn't claimed yet.

 

[Inferno3044]

OS is lynching Tery even a good idea right now? I know his slot is scummy but I have a hard time thinking he would fake claim that as scum. Since a claim like that adds incentive to push his lynch to prove himself.

Do you think its a gambit?

 

[Overswarm]

Why are people saying things that doesn't pertain to Xatres claiming?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Why are people ascertaining to ideas which would only be viable if I was a good player.

I'm surprised my vote isn't on Xatres right now.

Vote: Xatres. There.

 

[Boatchouli]

Why are people saying things that doesn't pertain to Xatres claiming?

Oh shut up you. It doesn't matter if they talk about other stuff.
Just wait for him to claim and if he doesn't you can skin him alive then.

Otherwise just sit tight and let people talk.

 

[JTB]

Tery, why are you voting Xatres?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Why are people saying things that doesn't pertain to Xatres claiming?

So I can figure out the player roaster's alignment, now answer.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Do you think its a gambit?

Possible but yes, I do not find it to be a gambit, but the possibility is there.

I putting it as a Tery wouldn't do this as scum right now since otherwise it would be an extremely risky gambit. Where at the time there was no point to even trying s gambit like that.

 

[JTB]

Rajam, are you saying that Xatres is scum because...hes playing careful?

 

[Overswarm]

Playing careful implies self preservation so... how is that not a viable reason for suspicion?

 

[JTB]

Wrong interpretation of my post, should've worded it better.

Xatres is scummy for his weak/reaching pushes on you, which I see as the opposite of 'careful' because it puts him in the spotlight. I find it odd that Rajam came to the conclusion that he was playing careful after Xatres' 1015.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

[~Gheb here]

The invitation from Day 1 to ignore Overswarm's requests still stands. Nobody has to claim just because he tells you to do so. Nobody has a reason to trust him or assume that he can't be scum. As it stands now he's playing fairly suspicious in my book. I'm just waiting for adum to hop off his meta-reads and starting to agree with me.

Xatres, do not role claim unless it's needed to confirm your knowledge on the mafia role cop. If you can confirm his existence without role claiming then don't role claim. If you have to role claim in order to confirm his presence then go for it. I honestly agree with a lot of what you posted about Overswarm. What has me hesitating to lynch him is the simple fact that his unable to not play suspicious as town. Do you think you're being productive by voting Overswarm now? I'd be one of the few people to support his lynch and I can't even vote. Although I myself prefer to use my vote to my own belief rather than what town wants I think now is a situation where your vote would be better somewhere else - on Boatchouli to be precise. Is there anything that makes you question his lynch? If you're against it you should probably speak up now.

Tery, PLEASE QUIT BEING A TOOL AND UNVOTE XATRES. His case on Overswarm is neither bad nor scummy and Rajam's case shows the complete opposite of what actually happens in this game. If anything both things should give people strong pro-town vibes. This is also @JTB who things Xatres is scumy - a read that I personally disagree with [not sure where adum stands atm].
Raziek and Xatres are not the lynches toDay. With Tery's claim Boat, Ryu and Overswarm make fine lynches for toDay.

Request prod on Frozenflame

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Playing careful implies self preservation so... how is that not a viable reason for suspicion?

This post is beyond terrible and you should be ashamed for writing it.

 

[Overswarm]

Gheb do you even the remember the last time you thought more than one move ahead? Or even the last time you thought?



Xatres, you need to claim.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Thank you Gheb. I need to do some hard analysis of a certain playerslot, hopefully I'll have something tonight or tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

AB/Gheb, the main reason he is asking for a claim is because he hinted at exactly that point with Xatres. I don't see anything wrong with than and on the contrary find it to be validated.

Tery, who are you mainly looking at outside of Boat and Xatres and why?
JTB, same for you.

 

[Inferno3044]

What I don't get is why he is asking for everybody. There is no reason to ask for tery, raziek, boat, and xatres to all claim.

 

[Overswarm]

What I don't get is why he is asking for everybody. There is no reason to ask for tery, raziek, boat, and xatres to all claim.

Tery claimed on his own hotshot, but nice try. Raziek and Boat both put it upon themselves by turning their argument into a he said / she said thing, and Xatres came out and said "here's enough information to make mafia want to NKill me, but not enough to help town". He claims so it helps town instead of just mafia.

 

[Overswarm]

@mod, request prod on Xatres. It's been 3 days since he's posted.

 

[Gova]

Xatres has been prodded.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@mod
Request prod on Frozenflame. It's been four days since he last posted.

 

[Gova]

He's been V/LA for SiiS6 as far as I know.

 

[Overswarm]

I got back from SiiS6 two days ago :B

 

[Gova]

FrozenFlame has been prodded.