Megaman X: Day of Death. ~ EVERYBODY DIED. SCUM WINS. GAME OVER.

[Overswarm]

11. Raziek (3) Boat, JTB, RR

That's probably the scummiest wagon ever. XD

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

I dug up all the posts Raziek voted in.



First is the vote on Rajam, the case was decent though not enough to compel me to make a hard look at him.

Nothing really bad here, just him placing a vote with an alright case in the beginning of D1.



Jumps on the AB wagon. Though I agree with the AB wagon was fine at the time.



Jumps on Frozenflame when it starts up.



Moves to No Lynch when that starts up.



Then he says let's lynch boat. Right when that starts up as well. Notice a pattern?



He buys Nich's case pretty quickly and hops right on Circus.

This is the confusing part to me. If Raziek is scum that means he was purposefully busing his partner to death or we was intending on putting his vote there for town cred thinking it would end in a NL or on another wagon.

This is hard for me to nail directly. However this voting pattern seems more opportunistic, I know hard for me to say that when I'm kinda guilty for the same thing.



Where did this come from?

Some heat popped up and Raziek decides to throw it on. Why? Even then I didn't see what he himself brought up that made OS the best pick.



First off, Raziek didn't really get it off the ground Nich more than anything was the biggest push to get it going.

And I disagree Raziek has been blending with his votes a lot, each case except for Rajam had someone else start the case first before he tried jumping on.



I don't disagree with this line of thinking with Circus for a vote on Circus, which is one of the main reasons I want Raziek or Boat to be lynched. Both have a kind of opposite connection here, Raziek was kinda not there until the wagon started, Boat was defended by Circus. D2 play is what made me decide on Raziek over Boat.

The cross voting and aggro at each other makes me think this is TvS. I'd only consider Inferno if neither were lynchable today and this is far from the case imo.



Again with Boat, this still makes me think this is TvS with Raziek and Boat. He also tries to discredit the clear which kinda worries me a bit since I find it to be far far more likely the color think did clear AB.

He speculated why JTB wasn't a target, then again that is WIFOM with why Circus didn't focus on people. Hint, JTB doesn't have a paper trail, Boat does this is a key difference and why the Circus-Boat connection has far more weight to it.

I don't like the redirect to JTB, what is the case on him if you think his wagon is legit?

He jumps on in the beginning of a lot of wagons, agreed. Care to explain why this is scummy?


There are a couple of other issues here, but let's talk about this first.

 

[Overswarm]

Being opportunistic is paramount to scum's success. You can fashion opportunities and you can find them. Which scum does is hidden, but find that out and you've won the game.

Circus found an opportunity in the FF wagon and jumped on. We don't have enough info to know if this is something that would happen frequently.

Raziek has found many wagons he can jump on, one of them being Circus'. This seems to imply he is simply sheepish, especially given Circus' flip. However, it can be said no one expected Circus to actually die and they didn't see it coming. At best and worst, we have hints from this line of reasoning.

@AB, do you have any evidence of Circus traditionally wanting to kill inactives?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Because it's opportunistic.

Scum wants this a lot. This is something everyone missed except Krys in HxH mafia when I was being super opportunistic. Heck when I saw Dabuz was gonna die I bused the crap out of him before hand and pushed it harder.

This what I have been noticing in his voting habits.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Because it's opportunistic.

Scum wants this a lot. This is something everyone missed except Krys in HxH mafia when I was being super opportunistic. Heck when I saw Dabuz was gonna die I bused the crap out of him before hand and pushed it harder.

This what I have been noticing in his voting habits.

Why the beginning of wagons though?

 

[Overswarm]

Because that's how you get something started.

 

[Gova]

1. Inferno3044 ()
2. JTB (1) OS
3. Overswarm (2) Xatres, Nich
4. Red Ryu ()
6. Analytical Buttheads ()
7. Rajam ()
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres (2) Rajam, Tery
10. Terywj ()
11. Raziek (3) Boat, JTB, RR
12. Boatchouli (2) Raziek, Inferno
13. Frozenflame751 ()

Not voting - AB, FF

With 12 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is September 30th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It's easier to blend when you start early, plus if it's not your scummate, even easier to hop on.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Because that's how you get something started.

Stop answering questions directed at RR, this doesn't answer the issue regardless, but point stands.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Like woah, I left this here too long and got ninja'd woops.

 

[Overswarm]

Scum is on one of these, right?

2. JTB (1) OS
3. Overswarm (2) Xatres, Nich
9. Xatres (2) Rajam, Tery
11. Raziek (3) Boat, JTB, RR
12. Boatchouli (2) Raziek, Inferno
Removing my personal townie picks, however temporary they may be

3. Overswarm (1) Xatres,
9. Xatres (1) Rajam[NABE],
11. Raziek (3) Boat, JTB, RR
12. Boatchouli (2) Raziek, Inferno


This leaves us with Xatres all on his lonesome voting for me. Xatres is also going to be replaced or modkilled. Removing him.


9. Xatres (1) Rajam[NABE],
11. Raziek (3) Boat, JTB, RR
12. Boatchouli (2) Raziek, Inferno

Assuming there are two scum left, the odds of them being on the same wagon are pretty slim. It's possible, but not very probable.

If Raziek is scum, he's not scum with Inferno. Vice versa.

If Boat is scum, he's not scum with JTB or RR.

If RR is scum, he's not scum with JTB or Boat.

Ditto for JTB.

Possible combinations from that group:

Nabe - Boat
Nabe - JTB
Nabe - RR
Nabe - Raziek
Nabe - Inferno
Boat - Raziek
Boat - Inferno
JTB - Raziek
JTB - Inferno
RR - Raziek
RR - Inferno

So if you're looking for one scum, look for two. Is it probable for any of these pairings to work?

What's your opinion on this Red Ryu? What pairings do you think are most likely?

 

[Overswarm]

Oh, new rule.

IN EVERY POST YOU MUST VOTE, EVEN IF YOU ARE VOTING FOR SOMEONE YOU ARE ALREADY ON.

vote: Raziek

 

[Raziek]

11. Raziek (3) Boat, JTB, RR

That's probably the scummiest wagon ever. XD

Oh, new rule.

IN EVERY POST YOU MUST VOTE, EVEN IF YOU ARE VOTING FOR SOMEONE YOU ARE ALREADY ON.

vote: Raziek

Edited out by S2: Picture of Picard looking very confused or perhaps disappointed and saying "WTF is this ****?"

vote: Boatchouli

 

[Overswarm]

I don't have to make sense to you, I just have to make sense to me

vote: Raziek

 

[Raziek]

How can you POSSIBLY justify jumping on the "scummiest wagon ever"?

 

[Overswarm]

How can you POSSIBLY justify jumping on the "scummiest wagon ever"?

YOU FORGOT TO VOTE IN YOUR POST

Vote Raziek

 

[Raziek]

YOU FORGOT TO VOTE IN YOUR POST

Vote Raziek

Picture of a sloth looking very slothish, saying "What the ****, man"

vote: Boatchouli

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

What's the reasoning for the Boat wagon? Is it based on Ryker's image posting from D1 somehow?


Someone talk to me about the potential of scumOS (does anyone besides Xatres subscribe to it?). Talk about 1211. Actually, someone do this regardless of read on OS. One of RR/Raz should hit this, that'll work. RR probably, since I want the Boat response from Raz.


Nich's posts feel constructed (300 posts in). I'm not getting at all the same vibe from TT, where he was definitely passionate about what he was doing. I don't feel any sort of drive. I suspect, when I get there, that I'll see Nich's posts against Circus and feel the same way. Someone play devil's advocate to this. (Not OS.)

Vote: Raziek

 

[Overswarm]

Someone play devil's advocate to this. (Not OS.)

But I love Devil's Advocate!


vote: Raziek

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Someone talk to me about the potential of scumOS (does anyone besides Xatres subscribe to it?). Talk about 1211. Actually, someone do this regardless of read on OS. One of RR/Raz should hit this, that'll work. RR probably, since I want the Boat response from Raz.


Nich's posts feel constructed (300 posts in). I'm not getting at all the same vibe from TT, where he was definitely passionate about what he was doing. I don't feel any sort of drive. I suspect, when I get there, that I'll see Nich's posts against Circus and feel the same way. Someone play devil's advocate to this. (Not OS.)

Inferno works for either of these as well.

Vote: Raziek

 

[Raziek]

What's the reasoning for the Boat wagon? Is it based on Ryker's image posting from D1 somehow?

Posts 841ish and onwards is the exchange between Boat and I, which includes my reasoning for pushing him. It is not based on the image-posting from Day 1.

 

[Overswarm]

Posts 841ish and onwards is the exchange between Boat and I, which includes my reasoning for pushing him. It is not based on the image-posting from Day 1.

YOU FORGOT TO VOTE AGAIN.

Vote: Raziek

 

[Terywj [태리]]

What the **** is going on.

Vote: Xatres

Actually that seems redundant if he's getting modkilled.

 

[Raziek]

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Oh, new rule.

IN EVERY POST YOU MUST VOTE, EVEN IF YOU ARE VOTING FOR SOMEONE YOU ARE ALREADY ON.

vote: Raziek

No OS, just no.

YOU FORGOT TO VOTE IN YOUR POST

Vote Raziek

Answer his question please.

 

[Overswarm]

SOMEONE FORGOT TO VOTE WHILE THEY POST

Vote: Raziek

 

[Overswarm]

Oh, by the way, Inferno? I know you've been viewing this thread for an hour. You should probably be posting.

vote: Raziek

 

[Terywj [태리]]

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

What's the reasoning for the Boat wagon? Is it based on Ryker's image posting from D1 somehow?

Refusing to contribute in any meaningful way while still being active and his interactions with circus.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

SOMEONE FORGOT TO VOTE WHILE THEY POST

Vote: Raziek

Stop it and answer the question, you pushing this is just a distraction.

 

[Overswarm]

Refusing to contribute in any meaningful way while still being active and his interactions with circus.

YOU FORGOT TO VOTE IN THIS POST


Also, you mean Circus' interactions with Boat, not vice versa. Boat had no interactions with Circus that I recall; if you can find 'em, post 'em please.

As for "refusing to contribute in any meaningful way" you could say the same thing for at least 1/3rd of this game.

So, pick up the pace here and get to voting.

 

[Overswarm]

Stop it and answer the question, you pushing this is just a distraction.

YOU FORGOT TO VOTE AGAIN.

You know it'd be easier to just vote.

vote: Raziek

 

[Terywj [태리]]

WELP. I can't do

 

[Overswarm]

WELP. I can't do tags.[/QUOTE]

[SIZE="6"]OR REMEMBER TO VOTE.[/SIZE]

[b]Vote: Raziek[/b]

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

YOU FORGOT TO VOTE AGAIN.

You know it'd be easier to just vote.

vote: Raziek

Shove it up your ***, your just being a distraction again.

YOU FORGOT TO VOTE IN THIS POST


Also, you mean Circus' interactions with Boat, not vice versa. Boat had no interactions with Circus that I recall; if you can find 'em, post 'em please.

As for "refusing to contribute in any meaningful way" you could say the same thing for at least 1/3rd of this game.

So, pick up the pace here and get to voting.

I obviously included the reverse, and the way that other people treats you is just as useful as how you treat others in determining alignment.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

And answer raz's question os!

 

[Raziek]

How can you POSSIBLY justify jumping on the "scummiest wagon ever"?

vote: Overswarm

 

[Overswarm]

Shove it up your ***, your just being a distraction again.




I obviously included the reverse, and the way that other people treats you is just as useful as how you treat others in determining alignment.

vote: Raziek

How about you stop being distracting and just vote in your posts? -_^

 

[Overswarm]

vote: Raziek

Inferno and Red Ryu are both here. Post and vote guys, deadline time is looming and we need to get the ball rolling.

 

[Gova]

Oh, new rule.

IN EVERY POST YOU MUST VOTE, EVEN IF YOU ARE VOTING FOR SOMEONE YOU ARE ALREADY ON.

vote: Raziek