Megaman X: Day of Death. ~ EVERYBODY DIED. SCUM WINS. GAME OVER.

[Overswarm]

i'm thinking of modkilling Rajam Xatres with the flip of toDay, please let me know what you think of this.

Be a mod and don't ask the players about it, because depending on what he flips and what people say can help determine their alignment.

If you need help, PM sold or EE.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

i'm thinking of modkilling Rajam Xatres with the flip of toDay, please let me know what you think of this.

I would be content with this.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Raz's answer is exactly what I would expect out of Raz-town, speculating the setup based on assuming the high number of VT claims meant that there was more.

His response doesn't particularly indicate knee-jerking against multiple scumteams, at best his resistance to the idea furthers the case that he's not likely to be on Circus' scumteam.




RR, why are Raz's vote patterns scummy, illustrate please.

When I'm not packing I can be more specific.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

He will be converted to independent survivor, his faction will just gain the loss of a player.

i want modkill him with the flip to save me the trouble, i think it's reasonable but i also don't think it's reasonable to simply kill him and not give you guys a lynch.

@OS
I just want to be a fair and opiniated mod, i don't wanna lead anyone with not knowing what to do, yes, this is my first time, but i'd like to leave a good impression.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nick: No opinion on inferno as of yet. Also, no definite opinion on anyone. Still observing. That's how I roll.

Welcoming accusations that passive play is scummy (it happens every game I play)...

100 posts in. Already content with Xatres dying.

I hadn't realized how many people on the player list have incongruent playstyles with mine.

 

[Raziek]

If it's simply losing a player who's not contributing, I don't care. We will see his original alignment though, yeah?

 

[Gova]

1. Inferno3044 ()
2. JTB (1) OS
3. Overswarm (2) Xatres, Nich
4. Red Ryu ()
6. Analytical Buttheads ()
7. Rajam ()
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres (2) Rajam, Tery
10. Terywj ()
11. Raziek (3) Boat, JTB, RR
12. Boatchouli (2) Raziek, Inferno
13. Frozenflame751 ()

Not voting - AB, FF

With 12 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

 

[Raziek]

Well, I suppose he WAS contributing, now he's just going AWOL.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

yeah, what he flips won't change, he'll just be converted to independant survivor and therefore loses either way.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

He will be converted to independent survivor, his faction will just gain the loss of a player.

i want modkill him with the flip to save me the trouble, i think it's reasonable but i also don't think it's reasonable to simply kill him and not give you guys a lynch.

@OS
I just want to be a fair and opiniated mod, i don't wanna lead anyone with not knowing what to do, yes, this is my first time, but i'd like to leave a good impression.

This should be conducted via pm. Regardless you should not modkill and convert to indy without telling us what he was. Period.

It makes any sort of coherent setup analysis impossible which makes a closed game rather pointless. Janitering him is actually far worse for town then simply leaving him.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Day 1 was at lot of back and forth between OS and AB, ultimately culminating in a wagon on AB. After a near-miss on another color fiasco that convinced us AB was pretty likely to be Town, AB swung the wagon around after Frozenflame. After that, Frozenflame raged a ton, then he and Nich swung the wagon onto Circus, who got caught with his pants down and turned up scum.

Day 2 has been marked primarily by interactions between Boat and I, and OS/Nich. Tery has claimed Vengeful Townie, Boat and I have both claimed VT.

Inferno only credits Nich for the Circus wagon. How did FF contribute?

-AB claimed VT and has a 2 day vote block for mentioning the color.
-Circus was killed D1 and was scum. Lynch led by Nich with about 6 hours before deadline.
-Nobody died N1.
-Frozen claimed that he was targeted for a kill last night, but didn't die.
-Tery claimed vengeful, Raziek and Boat both claimed VT.
-Xatres says that he knows that there is a mafia role cop, but nothing more. He will be modkilled if not replaced.
-Nich has put a case on the table regarding OS.

Alright. What are your reads currently?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

post above AB, i ninja'd you haha

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

When I'm not packing I can be more specific.

Sooner is better.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I will tonight, that I promise. be back in an hour or 2.

 

[Raziek]

@Nabe: Post 561 & the surrounding area.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I was hoping for a brief summary from you. I'd get to these posts on my own, but I'm looking for your perspective at the moment.

I notice you briefly supported a No Lynch and very quickly gave up on it. Has anyone razzed you on that yet, aside from AB briefly?

 

[Inferno3044]

Inferno only credits Nich for the Circus wagon. How did FF contribute?

FF offered for there to be No Lynch. Maybe it's my point of view, but I give the credit to Nich.

Alright. What are your reads currently?[/QUOTE]

1. Inferno3044
2. JTB
3. Overswarm
4. Red Ryu
6. Analytical Buttheads
7. Nabe
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres
10. Terywj
11. Raziek
12. Boatchouli
13. Frozenflame751

Code:

Green = town
Light green = leaning town
Yellow = null
Orange = leaning scum

I don't have a super strong scum pick atm.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

FF offered for there to be No Lynch.

In my reading I saw that it was Xatres who thought of an NL, though. Did FF support an NL or something?

I don't have a super strong scum pick atm.

More than that, you only have one scum pick at all, it would seem.

Can you go into detail on some of your nulls? Surely there's degrees of scumminess there? What pops Xatres under the rest for you?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Oh, and Boat.

 

[Raziek]

I was hoping for a brief summary from you. I'd get to these posts on my own, but I'm looking for your perspective at the moment.

I notice you briefly supported a No Lynch and very quickly gave up on it. Has anyone razzed you on that yet, aside from AB briefly?

From what I can remember without re-reading heavily, FF mentioned Circus was scummy somewhere in his ranting. It didn't really pick up any steam until Nich built on it with his case later on.

I don't think anyone else razzed me on the No Lynch idea.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

From what I can remember without re-reading heavily, FF mentioned Circus was scummy somewhere in his ranting. It didn't really pick up any steam until Nich built on it with his case later on.

I don't think anyone else razzed me on the No Lynch idea.

Okay, thanks. And now yes, I see the post where FF rants on Circus.

Why did you so quickly decide a NL was no good after all? It was only <20 posts between the two. I'm just curious.

 

[Raziek]

I was mostly getting frustrated, and I think Xatres had made a fairly convincing argument. The lynch had swung twice already, and I wasn't sure things were going to go well. Didn't want too many claims on the table.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Okay.

What do you currently think of 2/3 of Nich, FF, OS?

 

[Inferno3044]

In my reading I saw that it was Xatres who thought of an NL, though. Did FF support an NL or something?


More than that, you only have one scum pick at all, it would seem.

Can you go into detail on some of your nulls? Surely there's degrees of scumminess there? What pops Xatres under the rest for you?

Boat - Mainly with Circus defending him and asking for a replacement over him getting lynched/vig'd. AB giving meta knowledge on Circus strengthens my point.

Xatres - I feel like most of what he has said, at least in D2 were just not very strong pushes on OS and Tery. He backs off of Tery after his claim. Read OS's post in defense to Nich's case to get a better point. His sudden disappearance is very disturbing as well.

JTB and Nabe - Both of you (well Rajam) haven't contributed much. I would be fine with a JTB lynch. Not sure what to think about you but I wouldn't lynch you today.

RR - He has basically been on every wagon formed in this game but that's my only incentive of him being scummy. I would be fine with lynching him, but I don't see that being the play today. I saw it as very ironic when he said Circus was being opportunistic.

Raziek - my view on him will probably be influenced on how boat flips assuming he is the lynch.

 

[Inferno3044]

@mod - request prod on Frozen

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm pretty good with Inferno dying at this point as well.

 

[Raziek]

Frozen is V/LA for his LSAT till Saturday.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

In my reading I saw that it was Xatres who thought of an NL, though. Did FF support an NL or something?

Inferno dawg.

 

[Inferno3044]

And this is why you're like the only person who I don't really have a problem with gunning for me

We don't see eye to eye. I get that. But dude seriously, even YOU should be able to tell that this wagon is complete bull**** and most of the people on it are opportunistic as ****.

I get it that NL is rarely the ideal route to go. However, it is absolutely NOT the worst route to go. What I can tell you is rushing a last minute claim and lynch with less than a day to discuss the claim and the implications of the lynch is ALWAYS worse than just letting the no lynch go.

Like seriously, last minute claims and rushed lynches are absolutely anti-town and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. All you're doing is giving the scum a free lynch and information about PRs that way WITHOUT allowing the town to get the benefit of the claim and the pending flip which is DISCUSSION.

Let me repeat, rushing last minute claims and lynches GIVES THE SCUM ALL THE INFO THEY WANT AND OFTEN A FREE MISLYNCH, AND DOESN'T GIVE THE TOWN ANY BENEFICIAL INFO THAT PEOPLE MIGHT PURPORT IT DOES.

Pressuring people to claiming is pro-town when we have ample time to discuss the claim itself and the wagon that led up to the claim. We don't have that here. We have spiteful people and opportunists chomping at the bit to get a lynch just for the sake of getting a lynch which is complete bull****. Like seriously, take a step back and look at what other people are doing and you should know this who scenario just reeks of awful play.

I seriously don't get why people are so gung-ho about NEEDING a lynch. NL is undoubtedly a better decision than stupid last minute wagons with no good substance to hold people accountable for. No Lynching IS NOT a universal bad for the town, and securing lynches IS NOT a universal good for the town. Use ****ing common sense people.

WHAT IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND HOLY AM I ****ING READING.JPG

I mean, I'm gonna assume you mean to say "increases" but still this is a load of bull****.

That's like saying we should just lynch at random because even if you don't hit scum, we get a flip, and one less townie in the game increases our numerical chances of getting scum next time.

Like you're literally arguing that even making the most bull****, uninformed lynches are ok because even if we **** up and kill town, we have a better shot next time numerically.

Jesus ****ing christ how tunnel visioned are you right now?

BAD LYNCHES NET BAD INFO. THE TOWN NEEDS GOOD, USEFUL INFO IN ORDER TO WEED OUT THE SCUM. A RUSHED BAD LYNCH LIKE THIS GIVES THE SCUM FREE INFO, POTENTIALLY A FREE PR KILL, AND A NIGHT TO WREAK HAVOC WITH LITTLE TO NO BENEFIT FOR THE TOWN.

A NO LYNCH GIVES THE TOWN NO INFO, THE SCUM NO INFO, AND A NIGHT TO WREAK HAVOC.

My ****ing dog could tell me which of the two scenarios is worse for the town.

Dude go for circus instead. He's the most obvious opportunist and after his latest gem of a post he's only strengthening that scummyness.


LOL. That's some big talk you got there. Mind trying to actually substantiate your claim that my analysis is BS instead of just dismissing it and calling me wrong? I'd LOVE to see you try. At the very least I'll have the satisfaction of showing how absolutely deplorable your command of the mafia metagame is before I get killed because of people who can't think rationally.

Most of it had been covered at least in passing and on a few occasions where OS was discussion your simple playstyle and criticizing it before the huge meta case. I didn't elaborate much on exactly what my major thrust was, and you're well within your rights to criticize me for that. I don't really have a defense for that, all I can say is that I didn't have anything particularly unique to contribute concerning my read of you and didn't feel like saying it for the sake of saying it.

You can criticize me for that all you want. It was bad town play, yeah, I can own up to that. Don't ****ing indict me for **** I didn't do though. And I REALLY don't think me simply not explicitly stating all my reasons for wanting you lynched is SO scummy that it outweighs the fact I've been consistent and transparent about my read of you all game leading up to your claim.



Well then why didn't you say that the odds were just lower? Why DID you say that we "didn't have time" for another lynch? OMG WHY ARE YOU BACKING DOWN FROM YOUR PREVIOUS STANCE AB?!?! HURR DURRRR. See how ****ing annoying that is?

Wrong.

Let's take a look at our little scenario here.

You guys are trying to rush a last minute lynch on me, right now. Here's what can happen.

1.) I don't claim and you guys last minute lynch me.

2.) I claim and you guys still last minute lynch me.

3.) We no lynch.

In scenario 1, town just gets to know what I was which is pretty useless after the fact, you guys are either down a VT OR a PR (varying degrees of severity of the loss) AND scum has one less person to deal with, has a numerical advantage getting their first free mislynch, and can get their free night kill.

In scenario 2, town gets to know what I am before I die, but then lynches me anyway so my claim is basically useless, and the limited info you MIGHT get would be people discussing the implications of my claim before deadline, which would amount to a few hours of discussion at the most with BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION very few people. Then again, mafia has secured their first mislynch, the town is down a VT at best and a very important PR at worst, so scum is at an advantage (of varying severity) and they don't have to deal with me anymore. They they get their free NK.

In scenario 3, town gets no info and nothing to discuss in terms of flip. This is the ONLY downside town faces in this scenario. However, in this scenario the town BENEFITS from NOT risking the loss of a VT (at best) or a PR (at worst) AND the scum is left to their own WIFOM deliberations about what I may or may not be, and has to decide whether my refusal to claim indicates I'm a PR or I'm a VT. The ball is now in their court and they don't get to get rid of me for free like the do in the other scenarios. Furthermore, since they don't know my role, they remain in the dark as to the nature of the setup and don't get valuable info as to what other people might be based on what I claim. They only net one townie kill from the whole exchange, as opposed to two.

Though I can imagine you might retort saying that the scum getting to get rid of two townies is a good thing now since we have a better chance of hitting scum next time. I still don't understand how you don't see the problem with that logic.

In scenario 3 BOTH factions are left without info. In the other two, the scum ABSOLUTELY GAINS THE ADVANTAGE, WITH THE WORST CASE SCENARIO BEING WE MISLYNCH A VERY USEFUL PR RIGHT OFF THE BAT THAT THE SCUM DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO FIGHT TO GET LYNCHED.

No Lynch is absolutely better than rushed last minute lynches. Without the ample discussion surrounding roleclaims and the wagons leading up to them, all the purported benefits the town gets from lynching, even mislynching, go right down the ****ing drain and anyone with half a brain should be able to see that.

That's a lie. You're trying to imply that I'm lashing out against almost everything against me SIMPLE because it's against me. You're establishing a false cause. I'm lashing out against most things and people against me because THE ATTACKS AGAINST ME ARE TERRIBLE AND THE PEOPLE VOTING ME ARE BLATANT OPPORTUNISTS. RR was against me and I didn't lash out against him because he had the only reasonable stance. That example proves your standard for characterizing my play as false, since it can't account for that discrepancy. Nice try though.

Oh yeah, go ahead and try to be cool and cite your bull**** mafia scum NEWBIE GAME NO LYNCH WIN RATE STATISTICS. The applicability of that study to CLOSED SETUPS, WITH VETERAN PLAYERS, WITH VARIOUS AND MORE POWERFUL POWER ROLES is limited to the point of basically being irrelevant. Furthermore, just because avoiding No Lynch is GENERALLY a good thing, doesn't mean it is ALWAYS a good thing, and I've thoroughly explained to you WHY this scenario is NOT a good time to be enforcing the "No Lynch is a bad idea" principle.

Your logic is literally a ****ing trainwreck. You are LITERALLY taking the stance that in ANY circumstance, a RANDOM UNINFORMED LYNCH is BETTER than a NO LYNCH, which is absolutely absurd. And I'm not even straw manning. Based on the principles you're espousing, that is a NECESSARY assumption for you to work with as a mantra of basic strategy.

These were posts made by FF before Xatres said we should go for a no lynch.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Alright. If it came between Raz and Inferno, I'd probably lynch Inferno.

I originally thought Raz was town, because his summary of the thread came quick and easy -- he didn't take time, he just shot out his interpretation of the events. It suggested to me that Raz was in a town mindset as well, because his summary was of interactions between players, while Inferno's dealt with the big events and things like mod-related stuff, which coupled with his not having any scumreads made me think he didn't have his mind on scumhunting at all.

As I read through the thread however, I find myself put off by a few of Raz's posts. You could just as easily form an argument where Raz is paying attention because he needs to know interactions so he knows how to play the thread, who to play against who, and so on. And outside of a context where the only choices are Raz and Inferno, contrasting the two falls flat. On its own I can't call Raz's summary a towntell like I thought I could.


I'm 300 posts into my reread. Ryu, around then you expressed some reads (296) -- how have these progressed through the game so far, especially the read on FF? Your vote is on Boat -- is that the lynch you want to see toDay? What are your deadline options if it doesn't pan out?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Raz, whenever you're here, make sure you take note of 1183.

 

[Raziek]

2/3 of them?

Nich and FF def Town, IMO. Unsure on OS at this time.

 

[Raziek]

Nich is my strongest Town read, for sure.

 

[JTB]

Boat - Mainly with Circus defending him and asking for a replacement over him getting lynched/vig'd. AB giving meta knowledge on Circus strengthens my point.

Xatres - I feel like most of what he has said, at least in D2 were just not very strong pushes on OS and Tery. He backs off of Tery after his claim. Read OS's post in defense to Nich's case to get a better point. His sudden disappearance is very disturbing as well.

JTB and Nabe - Both of you (well Rajam) haven't contributed much. I would be fine with a JTB lynch. Not sure what to think about you but I wouldn't lynch you today.

RR - He has basically been on every wagon formed in this game but that's my only incentive of him being scummy. I would be fine with lynching him, but I don't see that being the play today. I saw it as very ironic when he said Circus was being opportunistic.

Raziek - my view on him will probably be influenced on how boat flips assuming he is the lynch.

FoS Inferno

What a gross post.

Why do you only bring up me and Rajam wrt to activity? What about Boat, who has done even less toDay? What about Xatres, who has disappeared completely?

What's the difference between Nabe and myself that makes you want to lynch me and not him?

Has RR been on every wagon in the game? Bring up every wagon that has formed and show me his votes. Also, tell me if he's being opportunistic in his votes because that's what really matters, not the fact that he's on wagons.

Your view on Raziek will be influenced on how boat flips? I want your view now and what your stance would be on Raziek for both a town or scum flip.

 

[JTB]

Activity and contributing should be used interchangeably.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I dug up all the posts Raziek voted in.

Ok, so...

*Looks at playerlist*

I like OS, Circus, and Nich.

Dislike Red Ryu. Abnormally low content level given his typical playstyle. Exchange with Ryker not necessarily indicative of any alignment, but interesting to note, given the amount of content produced by the two of them is essentially only that argument.

Dislike Boatchouli, but not willing to call them scum because I know how Ryker works. If this lasts into Day 3, he should die.

Null on Analytical Buttheads. Intent to ensure that everyone posted during RVS seems pro-Town to me, but he's essentially been quiet since his exchange with OS, as OS himself has already pointed out.

Rajam, Xatres and Frozenflame have all made posts that don't sit well with me. Xatres needs to post more (oh the irony, coming from me), and Rajam needs to deliver a solid stance.

Actually, I like this direction:

Rajam, you've been strangely focused on OS. Let's look at the content of your posts:


You open with a pseudo-RVS vote on Overswarm, based solely on banter between he and AB.

Your next actual content post shows up here, when you bring up something that OS had posted long before the current discussion at hand.
In the same post, you address Xatres in a very passive-agressive manner. This feels to me like you're trying to make him fear you a little bit, which comes up again in a moment.

This isn't a freudian slip, this is you trying to paint a big target on OS here. If OS is Town, he could just as easily think Adum is after him because of his normal scum play. His comment isn't indicative of his alignment, and you really can't draw anything from it other than WIFOM.


These two posts sent up HUGE red flags.

Once again you're drawn back to Xatres. And I find it interesting that you choose to FoS him here. It's a convenient way to draw attention to him without actually starting a wagon on him.

This is further compounded by you asking him what he thinks of your "case" (lol) on Overswarm. This reads to me like you're trying to buy a relatively "new" player into your case.

Then right after that, you're trying to get hyper-aggro Nich onto a policy lynch on Ryker?

Your play smells, Rajam.

vote: Rajam

First is the vote on Rajam, the case was decent though not enough to compel me to make a hard look at him.

Nothing really bad here, just him placing a vote with an alright case in the beginning of D1.

Hasn't changed much because he hasn't answered my questions, and has ignored them several times. Somewhat strengthens my scum read.

Having read OS's case in its entirety, I'm willing to go with AB for today.

I think it's quite strong and well-thought out, particularly in his emphasis on deflection and trying to impede Town by not answering questions. I understand that some of this can be attributed to clashing play-styles between OS and AB, but with Rajam refusing to answer anything I have to say, I'm left with little option. I doubt I'll be able to find support for his lynch, given that he's not here to defend himself or claim.

With all that in mind...

vote: Analytical Buttheads

Jumps on the AB wagon. Though I agree with the AB wagon was fine at the time.

unvote; vote: Frozenflame

That's L-2, I believe.

Jumps on Frozenflame when it starts up.

unvote; vote: No Lynch.

Consider me sold on it. Just doesn't feel right pushing this through.

Moves to No Lynch when that starts up.

I have the tab open while playing MH.

I'm game for a Boat lynch. He has done literally nothing.

vote: Boatchouli

Then he says let's lynch boat. Right when that starts up as well. Notice a pattern?

????

Alright Nich, I'll buy that.

unvote; vote: Circus

He buys Nich's case pretty quickly and hops right on Circus.

This is the confusing part to me. If Raziek is scum that means he was purposefully busing his partner to death or we was intending on putting his vote there for town cred thinking it would end in a NL or on another wagon.

This is hard for me to nail directly. However this voting pattern seems more opportunistic, I know hard for me to say that when I'm kinda guilty for the same thing.

You know what?

vote: Overswarm

Where did this come from?

Some heat popped up and Raziek decides to throw it on. Why? Even then I didn't see what he himself brought up that made OS the best pick.

Ok, seriously, this is starting to piss me off.

First of all, I very much DID help get the Circus wagon off the ground. You know what likely would have happened had I not been on it? People would have dismissed Nich as the crazy rambler JUST LIKE IN TIME TRAVELLERS WHEN HE HAD NABE PINNED.

Inferno, Red Ryu, and AB were ALL saying "Boat or Tery". If I hadn't helped that wagon pick up steam, it wouldn't have gone anywhere.

SECOND, my reasoning for jumping the wagon was not "Sure, whatever". I read Nich's case in full, asked him if he felt it was worth lynching him over Boat, THEN got on the wagon. I accepted his case as legitimate. That doesn't mean I have to make a big-*** post detailing every single reason I agreed with it.

Especially since "Sure, whatever" was the reasoning MOST people gave for jumping that wagon, including OS who basically just said, "This wagon has the most votes."

Give examples of how I'm apparently blending. Keep in mind I didn't join this game till mid-way through the day, and as soon as I did, I started tunneling RAJAM, someone NOBODY else was after. How is THAT blending?

This post is absolute BS.

unvote; vote: Boatchouli.

First off, Raziek didn't really get it off the ground Nich more than anything was the biggest push to get it going.

And I disagree Raziek has been blending with his votes a lot, each case except for Rajam had someone else start the case first before he tried jumping on.

Ok, so here's what I found "quote-worthy".

Unusual amount of defense of Boat.

Even more Boat defense.

This kind of post makes me worry about AB a bit.

HUUUARGH.




UPDATED LIST

1. Inferno3044
2. JTB
3. Overswarm
4. Red Ryu
6. Analytical Buttheads (Gheb_01/adumbrodeus)
7. Rajam
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres
10. Terywj
11. Raziek
12. Boatchouli (Ryker/Moth)
13. Frozenflame751

I'm primarily considering Circus' play BEFORE his lynch became obvious, but after AB's became NOT the play.

Circus repeatedly tried to swing AWAY from Boat and towards Tery and Inferno, even going so far as to say that Boat should be REPLACED, rather than killed.

Call it simplistic, but given Circus' pre-death play, and Boat's recently play, I'm calling it like I see it. Boat needs to die.

unvote; vote: Boatchouli

I don't disagree with this line of thinking with Circus for a vote on Circus, which is one of the main reasons I want Raziek or Boat to be lynched. Both have a kind of opposite connection here, Raziek was kinda not there until the wagon started, Boat was defended by Circus. D2 play is what made me decide on Raziek over Boat.

The cross voting and aggro at each other makes me think this is TvS. I'd only consider Inferno if neither were lynchable today and this is far from the case imo.

Not inactives per se, but I find it pretty telling the discrepancy in terms of his stances on Tery and Inferno vs. Boat.

I'm having a hard time seeing why he would defend Boat the inactive, but then push those two as much as possible, especially that close to the deadline.

From scum perspective, it makes sense. He's trying to draw attention away from an inactive scummate by pressing slightly inactive/somewhat questionable townies.

I am however, worried that he had virtually no interaction with JTB, given how he was defending Boat. Nobody was really saying "Lynch JTB", but it still worries me.

I still believe Boat should be today's lynch. While OS has a point that Soup may have been a dumb mod and made the Town roles incredibly obvious, I think it's extremely premature to clear anyone based on that. We've had a scum flip, and nothing else. We have no Town flips to actually verify that claim.

vote: Boatchouli

Again with Boat, this still makes me think this is TvS with Raziek and Boat. He also tries to discredit the clear which kinda worries me a bit since I find it to be far far more likely the color think did clear AB.

He speculated why JTB wasn't a target, then again that is WIFOM with why Circus didn't focus on people. Hint, JTB doesn't have a paper trail, Boat does this is a key difference and why the Circus-Boat connection has far more weight to it.

I don't like the redirect to JTB, what is the case on him if you think his wagon is legit?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

+1 to Inferno lynch as well. Still want Raziek or Boat before Inferno though, since I want to get my reads on them resolved.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Alright. If it came between Raz and Inferno, I'd probably lynch Inferno.

I originally thought Raz was town, because his summary of the thread came quick and easy -- he didn't take time, he just shot out his interpretation of the events. It suggested to me that Raz was in a town mindset as well, because his summary was of interactions between players, while Inferno's dealt with the big events and things like mod-related stuff, which coupled with his not having any scumreads made me think he didn't have his mind on scumhunting at all.

As I read through the thread however, I find myself put off by a few of Raz's posts. You could just as easily form an argument where Raz is paying attention because he needs to know interactions so he knows how to play the thread, who to play against who, and so on. And outside of a context where the only choices are Raz and Inferno, contrasting the two falls flat. On its own I can't call Raz's summary a towntell like I thought I could.


I'm 300 posts into my reread. Ryu, around then you expressed some reads (296) -- how have these progressed through the game so far, especially the read on FF? Your vote is on Boat -- is that the lynch you want to see toDay? What are your deadline options if it doesn't pan out?

Nich has stayed the same for the most part.

Raziek started as scum, went to null then I put him back at scum for his later D2 play.

Boat stayed in scum, but it a little more null than scum he's hovering in the middle. Still want him or Raxiek lynched.

FF is town to me, I found his response to me and his wagon to be good for what had happened.

Inactives moved to null or higher.

Vote is on Raziek atm, my pool for today is, Raziek, Boat, Inferno in that order of most wanted to least wanted. No one else. I will not vote JTB, OS, You today.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Have you reread Circus' posts at all?

Where's Nich?

 

[Overswarm]

@mod request votecount

People need to be voting o_o