MegaMafia | Day 4 - Mafia wins!

[Omni]

Omni, I still think you should at least give out some kind of list of who you're suspects are. I understand that you're waiting for Xsyven to post and such (I'm sure all of us are), but it'd really help when the time comes.

Guess you haven't been reading the thread as thoroughly as you said you would or you would have noticed I was the first to list my two top suspicions.

 

[Chaco]

Also, on the early deadline, I think that's a good idea. I'm kicking myself for not saying that sooner, but I wasn't expecting this week to be nearly as busy as it was, so I thought it could wait until my big post. If people are active we can figure out what the best move is going forward today/tonight with ease.

Why are you kicking yourself for not saying it sooner?

 

[smashman90]

Hmm. I guess I wasn't clear. I seem to have an issue with that. I'll try again

After your first official post in the game, in THIS post, you speak ONLY about the Macman restriction, as well as a bit of EE saying about how he pronounced 'warlord.' Me and a few others posted after yours to ask your opinon about Master Warlord's first post.

Rockin, you need glasses. I did mention Warlord in that post (not counting the bit with the Warlord/Warlock thing). I had said "Not too sure what to think of Warlord right now. Perhaps he's doing what Stingers did?" If that's not an opinion on Warlord and his first post, then my name is Shirley.

Smashman - So far, I havn't really been approving of some of his post so far. He hasn't really been keeping up with the group and all of his posts just speaks his review of the Macman situation, the Warlord Vs. Macman situation, and the possible characters the Mafia's have.

Because there hasn't really been much else going on so I don't really have much to say. Besides the Warlord vs. Macman thing, what else has really happened? Xsy's post about Macman's post restriction and that's about it. That's what most of us have been focusing on.

Smash: He has posted like nothing. Smash has had 6 times this entire game. All of which have pretty much been crap. Personally, I do not see why he joined this game after opting out of TNM like a day before.

Chaco, I already explained why I left TNM in that thread. I was bored of it. Megamafia is something I am actually excited about because I loved playing megaman games (Megaman 2, The Power Battle and The Power Fighters were my faves from the old Megaman games). Tis a pity that I didn't get an MM2 character.

As for my Suspects, I only got one seeing as Xsy's main scummy action was his post about Macman's post restriction, which to me doesn't justify a vote, an FOS maybe but not a vote. The only person I can think of that I would vote on would probably be Warlord due to weird counter claim or whatever the hell he was trying to do and not really doing much in defending himself and stuff. I have thought about the possibility of doing a No Lynch. Everybody, what would you think of a No Lynch? Yay? Nay? Ole?

 

[Evil Eye]

Why are you kicking yourself for not saying it sooner?

Um. Because we wanted to reach an agreement on it... and Rockin's proposed deadline is today? Durp?

Still reading, but that's an easy enough question to answer.

 

[Chaco]

I mean, you shouldn't kick yourself if your busy. Lol. Things happen.

@Smash: I didn't see you say that you were bored of it. My bad. I still think that's a ****ty excuse though.

 

[Rockin]

Guess you haven't been reading the thread as thoroughly as you said you would or you would have noticed I was the first to list my two top suspicions.

I probably did (I'm not perfect lol), but all I saw from your last post was a Fos on EE and waiting for Xsyven. If those are the two, I did saw the post but I was hoping for a explanation along with them.

Rockin, you need glasses. I did mention Warlord in that post (not counting the bit with the Warlord/Warlock thing). I had said "Not too sure what to think of Warlord right now. Perhaps he's doing what Stingers did?" If that's not an opinion on Warlord and his first post, then my name is Shirley.

As for my Suspects, I only got one seeing as Xsy's main scummy action was his post about Macman's post restriction, which to me doesn't justify a vote, an FOS maybe but not a vote. The only person I can think of that I would vote on would probably be Warlord due to weird counter claim or whatever the hell he was trying to do and not really doing much in defending himself and stuff. I have thought about the possibility of doing a No Lynch. Everybody, what would you think of a No Lynch? Yay? Nay? Ole?

That small part about Warlord was a pretty weak opinon at the time compared to your other post, which you had at least more to say on the matter (main cause there was a reason why you was unsure about him).

As for a no lynch, naaaaaaay. The game is too tight to really go for a no lynch IMO, like Mentos said. I MIGHT go for a no lynch Day 2, but even then it's meh.

 

[Omni]

In case you missed it.

 

[Evil Eye]

ughghghghghhgh so much for the day with no plans lmfao. My how the coin can flip.

I'll get up early tomorrow hopefully and hopefully have a sexy post for ya in the morning (yay microsoft word).

 

[Xsyven]

Sorry, guys.

Replacements
1. Marshy

Replace me, Scavvy!

Also, wtf @ every argument against me. They were all ********. I'm replacing because my game in the BRoom finally started, and I'd rather put forth most of my effort into that game. :3

Lucky for Scav, his replacement list is like, 9 8 people long, so I don't feel too bad.

 

[Chaco]

Mod: Vote Count, and prod on Warlord please

He has been on, and is on currently. It seems that he wasn't kidding when he said he'd stop posting. I am perfectly fine with a Warlord lynch.

This day started off very good, and then has dissipated into nothing. Like Mentos had pointed out before, if we're going to ML we can afford it now, but not in days later. So,

@everyone: How do you feel about a Warlord lynch? Is there anyone you think is a better option?

I'm going to do a PbPA of Warlord, and Xsyven in a while. I urge everyone else to do the same.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

here i come

 

[Rockin]

@everyone: How do you feel about a Warlord lynch? Is there anyone you think is a better option?

I'm going to do a PbPA of Warlord, and Xsyven in a while. I urge everyone else to do the same.

Let's wait till everyone else post in terms of their suspects. Then, we can find a decent lynch

also, what's PbPA?

 

[Chaco]

PbPA, is Post by Post Analysis.

 

[Rockin]

Btw, Hando, I know you have work and all, but mind telling us what you think and who your suspects are?

 

[Handorin]

Evil Eye: He came in very strong, and I noticed quite a bit of mannerisms from KiKi. With that being said, I've never played with EE before. I will not gauge his ability now, to the BRoom games that were moved into dGames. However, I definitely am kinda feeling some "Too Townie".

EE != Kiki. I think it's just how EE plays, but life happened as he said. I myself got caught up in working long hours (and then going to play smash... >_>). I just really don't like how you said "too townie". What the snapz is that kind of argument? Isn't it a townies job to appear innocent throughout the game? So later when it's lylo he can go "look here, I haven't done anything that scummy. Here is what I've done to help". Mafia are doing this too, so you have to catch inconsistencies and slip ups, not being too good at a game.

@everyone: How do you feel about a Warlord lynch? Is there anyone you think is a better option?

While I think he's being crucified for a poor reason, it's a reason we have to go for. His reaction (and lack of in part) does not help his case at all. I think we could possibly gain enough info for later use because of how much people have talked and argued about. So I think it is a very viable option.

Btw, Hando, I know you have work and all, but mind telling us what you think and who your suspects are?

Not really in any order (makes people too tunnel visioned):

Macman, I don't like how he's 100% sure his restriction is caused by mafia. Hasn't really helped much other than "Why haven't we lynched Xsy/War yet"

Chaco- Pretty reactive on the AtoE stuff when he himself did it in a previous game (as town). Not sure what to make of it yet.

Xsy- Not so much the Macman issue, but his deflective attitude (ie. "Wasn't it obvious?)

 

[Evil Eye]

Righty-o! Doin' mah thang, now.


From Xsy:

And with that, I say we end the RVS. That was fun. Now let's think of reasons as to why Macman can only post in caps.

Macman had enough posts up to that point to pin down that he had a posting restriction -- I know I certainly had -- but I do not think that there was enough to nail down that it was all-caps. Macman's post were incredibly error-laden. He has said this was because he was tipsy, which is one thing I suspected (the other being that he did it to hide the true nature of his restriction). You're left with a lot of possibilities for Mac's restrictions in his posts (go reread the second page): Madfaces, typos right out the ***, spammy conduct, and the almost-all-caps. Probably others.

But Xsy nailed that down perfectly, according to Macman's testimony. What I found particularly distressing, though, was that in one of his first posts where he defended himself, he essentially claimed that he didn't know Macman had a restriction. I don't like this, because his post very clearly implies that -- why would you propose ending the RVS to talk about it if you didn't think it would yield hard evidence?

I'm now fairly certain that Xsyven has the ability that caused Macman's unusual posting restriction. That Xsy would try to conceal that (it seems) could be a town or scum tell, really -- either he sees that the town is getting ready to dogpile and bends the truth for fear of this damning him (bad idea, but not out of the question), or he's mafia, he did it to Mac, and he's lyin' through his teeth.

I know Xsy = Marshy now, but maybe Marshy can explain this. In the meantime, it's really starting to stink up the joint.


Plus there's still the fact that I hate talking about posting restrictions and have never seen it yield hard evidence. I think Xsyven is an experienced enough player to be well aware of this -- it's an empty avenue of discussion. No one is going to come out and say "lol I did it", nor are they going to be nice enough to serve up their allignment on a platter for you with a side salad.


Another Xsy:

Investigator could mean any number of things-- so hopefully we still have an actual cop.

I dunno. Best not fish them out if we do, yeah?

Oof, man. I think a lot of us considered that possibility, but why in the hell would you vocalize that? With such a vastly newbtastic roster, newbie scum is a strong possibility, and they might have seen a dead Search Man and played the game under the assumption that we didn't have a cop. By pointing ths out, Xsy opened zero avenues of discussion, while basically invisibly giving the mafia pointers.

For the record, though, I don't think we have a cop. Scav has said he doesn't like "bingo night actions", so I would assume our "investigator" was a scaled-down version of a cop, however powerful as Scav would accept in his game. Xsyven, obviously, didn't find this as likely and saw fit to point it out. Do not like.

Chaco did so right after, I might add. Ick.



I think that's the last post by Xsyven of any real substance (for quite a few pages), so now's a good time for a segue:

Rockin:

Hey, did anyone noticed we only had one kill, even though there is a indie in our mist? Cause I sure as hell did

Several possibilities here, including a no-kill from a tricky serial killer.

However, my knowledge of Megaman may come in handy here. Scav mentioned that Megaman was in the game, suggesting Dr. Light as the "mafia" allignment. We're all pals of Dr. Wily, here, for the most part. In the Megaman series there was one other doctor of note -- Dr. Cossack. He served as the main antagonist to Dr. Light and crew in Megaman 4. However, he was being blackmailed by Dr. Wily.

Thus, in essence, you have a third scientist who has been an enemy both of Light and Wily. Ding ding?

So, investigative roles: If we have any of you left, and depending on what you can find out, keep your eyes peeled for that, if you weren't.

One possibility I'm considering to explain the lack of a second nightkill is a Cossack-alligned cult. It's a scary possibility, and also a very real one. How many times has Wily "reprogrammed" Dr. Light's well-meaning robots in the Megaman games? Too many times, that's how many. It clicks perfectly with flavor, and it'd balance into the game just fine, as well. Eyes open, fellas, because right now I consider this more likely than a survivor.


And now to do a lot of repeating myself, as I show off some Warlord:

The post that started it all.

If you read that post carefully, he makes it blatantly clear that he knows exactly what he is doing by faking this posting restriction; incriminating Macman. In fact, it's exactly what he's driving at.

Until I Realized It Is Rather Doubtful That Two People Would Have The Same Posting Restriction. . .

Pretty clear implication here.

Notice That Last Uncapital Letter Of The Sentence There? He's Obviously Faking It.

And once again, I challenge anyone (Warlord included) to read over that post and actually think of a single pro-town reason to do what he did.

Possibilities:

1) Warlord is town, Macman is mafia -- Warlord would have no reason to be suspicious of Macman. The closest thing we probably have to a cop is dead, and frankly, I don't put the stock in a 100% new player to try to disguise a night-guilty in such a laborious fashion while trying to secretively push the lynch. Think back to your first game and honestly ask yourself if you were thinking so circuitously. I doubt it very much.

Thus there's really no possibility here other than Warlord assuming that Macman's posting restriction = mafia, and that him faking it would make him look even more guilty, and so he did ... whatever the hell you call what he did. But you know what? I don't buy that for a second. You're not supposed to lynch someone on evidence you fabricated for no damn reason. You're supposed to lynch them on evidence that actually exists.

2) Warlord is mafia, Macman is town -- Ballsiest. Play. Ever. A few reasons I can think of for it, I suppose. If mafia had a stalker or another similar role, there's a chance they went after Mac and saw him as threatening enough to risk one of their own (the newest player) to try to get him lynched. I consider that unlikely.

There's also the possibility of Warlord making an unconsulted move that was as stupid as it looks from a mafia POV. This I consider far more likely. However, I do concede that the more I think about it, the less yield i can really see for a mafioso attempting that -- even a brand-new one.

3) Warlord is mafia, Macman is mafia -- Just as ballsy. The only reason I can think to do that is that the entire "oops I suck" was manufactured and that Macman has an important mafia role (Megaman, perhaps). The idea being to get Warlord lynched and clear Mac in the process. Sounds ridiculous? It is. It's the only reason I can really think of for this to happen of the two of them were in a shared allignment on speaking terms (cult, mafia, whatever), and it just doesn't click. Draws too much attention I consider this the absolute least likely scenario. Of any listed.

4) Warlord is indy, Macman is town. Oh baby, yeah, I can see this one. Warlord seems, if not mafia, an almost definite indy, to me. And his gambit lends to a very clear interpretation of his actions -- lyncher and lyncher target.

I have to toss a big wtf Wikipedia's way:

Also, mentos, you and I call it a lyncher, Scav calls it Jester. If you read the first post carefully he clearly says there are none of these "Jester" roles and he describes them as characters that desire to be lynched or to lynch a specific person.

What? You... no. What? Quote that excerpt for me, because all I saw in that entire post was the section where he says "there is no jester". Scav knows exactly what a jester is. A jester is an independent role that desires to be lynched, and he has played in a game with one before (Batmafia, teeheehee). What you just said is flatly untrue. A lyncher is not a "jester", it's not a crazy subdivision of the jester role, it's not even on the same level. It's a completely different role, and one that is far less controversial in mafia communities. I'm really, truly confused by your saying that. Especially when right after the Warlord incident, you said that "Warlord is probably warlock. I mean fool*"


To get back to Warlord, his stunt is exactly the kind of thing I'd expect from a newbie lyncher, if they were the type of player to pull a stunt at all -- which Warlord quite clearly is. This is probably the most likely possibility that I've listed, and the most likely one I can think of.

5) Warlord is town, Macman is town -- If this is the case, we've been waiting, what, a week for Warlord to explain how his manoeuver in any way resembles a pro-town manoeuver. In any way resembles anything that could possibly benefit the town. By trying to manufacture evidence against someone else, if that person were to be town, Warlord has set up two mislynches the mafia can coast right on through.

I know people have discussed this until they were blue in the face, but I want everyone to really think that over and realize how truly, monumentally stupidly antitown Warlord's move was, and how very unlikely it is that a town-minded player would do such a thing. Really think that through. Can you ever see yourselves doing such a thing? Come on, now! Use your heads.



Moving on, this post from Macman I planned to address:

oH, I JUST REALIZED YOU GUYS MAY NOT KNOW WHY I'M VOTING XSY. BUT I HAVE A LEGIT REASON, AND WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM TODAY. TAKE MY WORD FOR IT SINCE I'M ALWAYS TOWN.

I can't tell if Macman is playing a sloppy game, or what. When I played an AIMafia game with him, as a mafiat he did try to lead the town in such a way, but it wasn't quite so ... forceful. So recklessly careless. Making this behavior truly baffling.

Mac, I know you can't say why you're convinced that the person that did this to you is antitown, but I assume the restriction doesn't require you to make short posts that say things like TRUST ME CUZ I'M ALWAYS TOWN. Do you have any actual arguments to make? Can we expect you to be more insightful on D2 onwards?



After this entire debacle has gotten discussion going, Wiki finally posts to answer to those questioning him on suggesting an NL. And nothing else. Quaint.


Then this post by Rockin:

And while Master Warlord's post seems strange and emotional, it doesn't seem to warrent a lynch much, especially if it sounds like he's just giving up. Who signs up in a game with enthusiasm only to get emo and such a few post later in the actual game?

Um, more importantly, how does enthusiasm-emo transformation really point to someone's allignment one way or the other?

I've liked Rockin as a likely townie for most of this game, but his eagerness to accept Warlord's "take my ball and go home" non-defence and then change the subject is quite troublesome. More on this later, but what I want you to get here is that Rockin seems quite townie in all aspects except in terms of following up on Warlord.


Here's my case against Warlord from the time

I ninja'd Warlord with that post and waited patiently for him to answer it. Although he did post more later on, he didn't. He flat out ignored it.


Also, Warlord's striking back at me reeks of OMGUS. In his first retaliation post, he somehow tries to use the fact that I tried to steer discussion away from posting restrictions as evidence that I was "defending Macman". When called on the fact that other people had already said so before I did, he offers this response:

I specifically said Evil Eye because he made such a huge post dedicated to saying how stupid it'd be to focus on posting restrictions rather then the shorter ones of the others. It seems much more focused on changing the topic.

Wow.

Hold on, let me get the highlight of that clip for you:

I specifically said Evil Eye because he made such a huge post

This is what the argument boils down to. I made a longer post than the other people (and this isn't even true, that post was quite average for my standards and not entirely about that). Really? Really? Mafia is a game that ends up having a lot of big posts. I'm a guy that posts big posts. I'm sorry, but that is probably the worst counter-argument I have ever seen. If you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you don't like to read, get out of the library.

Oh wait, I guess you already have.


Speaking of his disappearance, we have a name for what Warlord has done in the BRoom. It's called a "case of the Mini Mics", named after a scum player that was cornered, selectively engaged arguments for a while (some but not others), and then disappeared. It's exactly what Warlord is doing. I am 99% convinced Warlord is not town at this point.


From the same post by Warlord:

So you want to kill somebody because he's afk? Doesn't seem to be particularly good logic to me, though I'm hardly in a position to critique here.

Well, Rockin voting for smashman was a blatant pressure vote. I didn't say anything at the time to avoid, y'know, deflating the pressure of said vote. Now, you could argue Warlord doesn't know about pressure votes, and I might agree with you. My point here is only to illustrate how desperate he is to get the attention anywhere but on himself.


Another post by Warlord:

Said it before. I have no excuse, really, besides being a noob making a horribly stupid post last at night. My motive -was- to somehow prove myself as townie by acting as a victim, but that was a rather stupid idea seeing the townies seem to all have roles in this game anyway.

I'm still honestly very surprised everybody hasn't jumped all over me yet. Guess I might actually get to, y'know, play the game.

Look at that. Look at that. Does that seem townie to you at all? He admits that his strategy was to make himself a townie by pretending to be the victim of a night action. Um, at the expense of a possible townie that actually was!? Who you then tried to incriminate by that very same token!?! There is absolutely no townie explanation for this behavior!

And then right after he flings his most desperate appeal to emotion yet, which basically reads to me as "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE TAKE PITY ON ME". No. I won't.


Macman:

I REALLY DOUBT THAT. I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING AND NOW I'm 98% SURE ITS A MAFIA POWER. SO LETS JUST ASSUME THAT IT IS.

This kind of thing still makes me very uncomfortable. It's like Mac is taking his posting restriction as a licence to not try all that hard with his posts. I have no idea what to make of his behavior, and am wondering if this is a further side effect of his posting restriction?

I just get very uncomfortable when someone says things like "just take my word for it" and "I'm totally sure now". Macman may be known for brief posts, but he at least substantiates his suspicions. Until this game.


Getting back to the Xsyven-Macman thing, here's a post from Wikipedia:

Wait, then why did you misspelled some in your first few posts? Was that just for fun?

Wiki later defended Xsyven's sudden pointing out of Macman's posting restriction, saying that he "thought the exact same thing". And yet in this post here you imply that you, like myself, considered the likelihood of the typos being part of the posting restriction. So, you didn't have the "exact same thing" in mind as Xsyven. Xsy nailed it down 100% and plenty of us had a general idea. That's the distinction.


It's around this point that we realize Warlord has disappeared for good.


A post from Chaco:

Also, just pointing out. I see a resemblance in the style of EE and KiKi in Spidey. KiKi was obv playing "Too Townie" in Spidey, and I can kinda see that with EE here.

Required reading: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Too_Townie

It's called the Too Townie fallacy for a reason -- it's fallacious! Kirby King wasn't playing "too townie", he was just playing Kirby King, the townie. His style was exactly the same as in the games I've played with him where he was town, except he wasn't.

I'm not saying I'm immune to suspicion, but using that kind of argument against me -- and only that -- is just utter crap. It's like your objective is to attack me with a point that gives me no substance by which to form a rebuttal. At least Omni gave me some meat to chew on.



Another post from Wikipedia:

Also, claiming in this type of game would be SOOOO easy since none of the roles are given at the beginning. It would be so unbelievably easy for a mafia member to list some obscure Megaman character and make up a useful ability and all we could really be able to say to that is, 'Oh...ok.'

Anti-claim much? You later say that you were just lamenting how easy it is to forge a fake claim. Well, as always, there were other things to discuss, and you just... didn't.


A question from Mentos:

@EE: You were really active a few days ago, and have slowed down big time, any thoughts on my comments about Mac's claimed restriction/any other recent posts?

Well, I've expressed alarm at some of his behavior, so I definitely think it's possible that he was messing around and latched onto what Xsy said. But then, why go so vehement with pushing for Xsyven's lynch later on? Why not just take the cookie and eat it quietly, so to speak? It doesn't jive that well. Mafia is almost guaranteed a free pass on D1, provided they don't do something stupid like viciously attack someone that gives them a major opening.

And Mac had made several posts, all of them allcaps'd. I don't know, it feels pretty legit. When Mac jokes around I don't see him being quite that consistent with his mannerisms.

As for any other recent posts, heh, keep reading.



More Chaco:

Evil Eye: He came in very strong, and I noticed quite a bit of mannerisms from KiKi. With that being said, I've never played with EE before. I will not gauge his ability now, to the BRoom games that were moved into dGames. However, I definitely am kinda feeling some "Too Townie".

Once again, I implore you to realize what a non-argument "too townie" really is. I post a lot. I'm loud, I'm aggressive, and I chew people out when they do something I feel is stupid. I try to pressure the town into moving in what I feel is a positive direction. You're basically using my playstyle itself as the basis for suspicion, and that just doesn't make sense. As I said before, Omni made actual points that I could respond to. You have not.

Hopefully some more BRoom games will be moved to DGs soon, but in the meantime, I'm sure Marshy, Handorin, Rockin, and Mentosman can vouch that this is how I always play. Always. If you want to make an actual argument and exchange some words, that's another story, but right now you haven't.

On that subject!


@Omni:

I don't know if you expect me to respond to your FoS, but I feel as though you at least expect me to acknowledge it.

However, since you felt the need to post a link to your post that explained your rationale about Xsyven and me "in case Rockin forgot", here's the post where you admitted to blatant exaggeration in said post.


Omni's actually in an interesting position right now. The only people he is leaning on are me (without fresh substantiation) and Xsyven, the guy who flatly said he wouldn't be posting until Monday (and now isn't going to post at all).

Since I was waiting on my chance to make this big giant post, and since Xsy had already stated clearly that he wasn't going to be around, Omni has a free pass to just "wait on his suspicions" right to the deadline and play some Star Ocean. Suspicious? A little bit, but I see it more as an oversight on hs part.



Whoop. Caught up.



Here are my top suspects:



Warlord - I think he's almost definitely antitown, and I think he's probably indy. My case is well documented, and I think we have some interesting information to gain with his lynch after so much discussion.


Xsyvarshy - This is kind of an awkward time to get a replacement, but on reread his actions definitely look bizarre as all get out. Too accurate when there is plenty of ambiguity. Too unproductive in the discussion areas pushed. I really hope Marshy will be able to look over Xsy's posts and reason out some kind of rationale for it.

Wikipedia - I actually am finding him the most distressing of the coasters. His posts are so infrequent, and he seems to post just before or just after major pivots of discussion. He never engages the debates, despite his early expressions of how much he hates the RVS. Well, we've had plenty of real discussion, Wiki, and you were basically absent. A whole lot of fence-sittin', and I don't much like it, I do not.





Now, which one do I think we should lynch?


Warlord.



I think if Warlord were to flip as an indy lyncher, this would clear Macman.

I think if Warlord were to flip as an indy cultist, this would give us a great deal of people to look at on D2. Plenty of people seem to have outright dodged really investing in the Warlord debate, and that's a real shame, because it was discussion with some real meat to it. I mentioned Rockin earlier, and I think if Warlord were to flip cult, Rockin would be someone to look at during the Night and on D2.

I think if Warlord were to flip scum I'd again be interested in Rockin and other dodgers.


Lastly, if Warlord somehow flips town, I still think we'd have a good deal of information to deal with, just based on the enormous paper trail of discussion that has used him as a fulcrum.






And now to put my money where my mouth is.

Vote: MasterWarlord


If someone can convince me of a better lynch target, this vote can move, but I feel damn good about it, so I'd expect an equally damn good case.

 

[Chaco]

Too Townie is a logical fallacy, meant to get a reaction. It carries no weight within itself.

You seem pretty caught up on the last game, Hando. Comparing me to Warlord does not hold true in the slightest either. I didn't abandon the thread, and said not to excuse my mistakes as Newb ones. Where as you're trying to excuse Warlords as just that. It's not a sound comparison and instead of a case on me, it seems more like a defense of Warlord.

 

[Chaco]

Ninja'd by EE.

 

[Handorin]

Too Townie is a logical fallacy, meant to get a reaction. It carries no weight within itself.

You seem pretty caught up on the last game, Hando. Comparing me to Warlord does not hold true in the slightest either. I didn't abandon the thread, and said not to excuse my mistakes as Newb ones. Where as you're trying to excuse Warlords as just that. It's not a sound comparison and instead of a case on me, it seems more like a defense of Warlord.

Not really that as much as it shouldn't hold as much weight as others make it to be. Also, I didn't compare everything he did to you, just the AtoE.

I think if Warlord were to flip as an indy cultist, this would give us a great deal of people to look at on D2. Plenty of people seem to have outright dodged really investing in the Warlord debate, and that's a real shame, because it was discussion with some real meat to it. I mentioned Rockin earlier, and I think if Warlord were to flip cult, Rockin would be someone to look at during the Night and on D2.

I suppose it's worth mentioning that if Warlord flips cultist, and he is the leader, all the other cultist (usually) die.

 

[Omni]

@Omni:

I don't know if you expect me to respond to your FoS, but I feel as though you at least expect me to acknowledge it.

However, since you felt the need to post a link to your post that explained your rationale about Xsyven and me "in case Rockin forgot", here's the post where you admitted to blatant exaggeration in said post.


Omni's actually in an interesting position right now. The only people he is leaning on are me (without fresh substantiation) and Xsyven, the guy who flatly said he wouldn't be posting until Monday (and now isn't going to post at all).

Since I was waiting on my chance to make this big giant post, and since Xsy had already stated clearly that he wasn't going to be around, Omni has a free pass to just "wait on his suspicions" right to the deadline and play some Star Ocean. Suspicious? A little bit, but I see it more as an oversight on hs part.

@EE: No, you were correct; I wanted you to acknowledge it.

As you probably know since you've been in quite a few AIMafia games with me once I catch scent of scum I grill with a single-tracked mind. In this case, Xsyven has the strongest scent from what I interpreted from his gameplay. Once I grill, I normally vote pressure as well in order to get responses. The vote weighs down heavily on their thoughts and can manipulate the way they use their words or how they express themselves.

Unfortunately, Xsyven never gave me a chance to follow with my procedure since he never responded to the first question allowing me to grill him in the first place. At that point, the play was a toss-up between both Warlord and Xsyven from my perspective. I chose Xsyven.

To help confirm my decision I placed myself in Mafia's position. If my scumdar is indeed accurate then he should leave a trail to more scum. I perceive that if Xsyven was mafia that his mafia league would be very subtle in addressing my claim on Xsyven. They would either defend Xsyven or attempt to point out a WIFOM claim to my own. Who was the closest to do this? Yes, you, EE.

I then studied your patterns and behavior which was simple enough since you chose to valiantly take the lead in the scumhunting process. This, in itself, does not weigh anything against your case and moreso removes weight. However, I noticed that through your careful observations of everyone you seemed to not really address Xsyven's possible tell-tale as anything of substance. To sum it up, you caught my attention and fit the description I sought after in terms of a partner with Xsyven.

Still I did not have enough factual nor solid basis to feel the need to remove my grip from Xsyven and latch onto you since you weren't the original source. Instead, I chose to take you out of your comfort zone as leading interrogator and carefully address what I deciphered so that I can hear a response from you. The combination of the fact that you were being left alone and that you were the closest match to Xsyven partner (although I say "closest" loosely) gave me the idea to turn up the heat under your chair. This is where the FoS claim was originated from.

At this point, based on the continuation of the thread, I do not find you as suspicious as I originally did. Both your acknowledgement and somewhat counterclaim to what I addressed had responses that did not seem scummy since you were very informative and not very defensive.

*End EE addressing.*

As you can see I am not sitting on my vote and allowing things to just move on its own. I am very carefully observing everyones' behaviors to see if I can either tie another person with Xsyven as I did with you. I am also carefully considering everyone's response to Warlord's, I wanna' call it, WTF Are You Doing post. For every action in this thread, there is a reaction and I believe the reactions will be the best way to track the MegaMen.

To conclude as EE did and as I did in my previous post I am keeping my vote on Xsyven.

unFoS: EE based on the above post. At the current moment, I can't pin him to anything because he has a solid defense. He also brings up very interesting points about the rest of the cast.

I am fine with a Warlord lynch as well. My only fear is that I sense that is more reckless than he is clever. My foresight tells me that lynching Warlord will reveal a vanilla flavor and that we will start at a disadvantage on D3. Since that is just my foresight speaking I hold no true offense nor defense in Warlord's case.

*goes back to Star Ocean*

 

[Omni]

Sorry for the edit. Forgot to bold "unFOS: EE" and forgot to place the word "not" in the sentence:

"At this point, based on the continuation of the thread, I do NOT find you as suspicious as I originally did."

Thank you, crappy SWF server.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

MY GAH

EE... LONGEST GAME POST EVER?

ANYWAYS. I AGREE WITH PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING HE SAID. EXCEPT MAYBE HIS VOTE FOR MASTERWARLORD.

THE THING IS, AT THIS POINT, I AM PRETTY SURE WHO GAVE ME THIS POSTING RESTRICTION IS MAFIA. I KNOW THAT IT IS POSSIBLE FOR IT TO BE A SIDE EFFECT OF A BENEFICIAL ROLE, BUT THEIR ARE TOO MANY THINGS THAT SCREAM ANTI TOWN WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHY I HAVE THE RESTRICTION. I'M SURE I WILL BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT TO YALL TOMORROW HOPEFULLY IF I DON'T GET TARGETED AGAIN...

ALL OF EE'S ARGUMENTS FOR XSY KNOWING I HAD THE POST RESTRICTION ON TOP OF ME BEING ALMOST COMPLETELY **** SURE THAT MAFIA/INDY GAVE ME THIS ROLE IS WHY I WANT HIM GONE.

ANYWAYS, MY ONLY REASON FOR NOT WANTING TO LYNCH XSY. IS THE IDEA THAT HE MAY JUST HAVE GENUINELY CAUGHT ON TO ME HAVING A POST RESTRICTION. I STILL THINK THAT IS VERY UNLIKELY, BUT WHY WOULD MAFIA POINT THAT OUT IF THEY DID IT THEMSELVES? ALSO, I WAS CONSOLING MYSELF WITH THE IDEA THAT IF XSY WASN't MAFIA. THAT ATLEAST SOMEONE WHO WASN'T ACTIVE AT ALL WAS BEING LYNCHED. BUT NOW WITH MARSHY HERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW STRONGLY I FEEL ABOUT THIS. I'M WAITING FOR THE MARSHY POST DEFENDING HIMSELF.

MASTERWARLORD: WHAT HE DID WAS JUST DUMB AND ANTI TOWN. AND MADE NO SENSE TO DO FOR MAFIA OR TOWN. LYNCHER IS A VERY VERY VIABLE POSSIBILITY. BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, IT IS EVIDENT THAT HE IS A NOOB. AND IVE JUST BEEN WONDERING WHETHER HE WAS MAKING A NOOB MAFIA MISTAKE OR A NOOB TOWN ONE.

LIKE OMNI, I WAS GETTING SCUM VIBES FROM EE EARLIER, HOWEVER THAT HAS DISSIPATED ALMOST ENTIRELY. EE SEEMS TO BE PLAYING THE SAME WAY HE GENERALLY DOES.

I AGREE WITH EE ON HIS WIKI SUSPICION. I HAD BEEN THINKING ALONG THESE LINES TOO, HOWEVER I FELT NO NEED TO POINT THEM OUT.

UM. NOW FOR MYSELF. THAT FIRST QUOTE OF MINE EE QUOTED WAS BEFORE I KNEW I COULD EVEN TELL YOU GUYS I HAD A POST RESTRICTION. I THOUGHT THAT I COULDN'T TALK ABOUT IT AT ALL. BUT I CLARIFIED WITH THE MOD AND HE SAID I JUST CAN'T TALK ABOUT WHY.

I HAVEN'T BEEN GIVING ANY VALUABLE POSTS CUZ I HAVEN'T REALLY FELT LiKE IT. ESPECIALLY SINCE I HAVE MY STRONG SUSPICIONS OF XSY AND WARLORD. AND I DIDN'T REALLY FEEL LIKE GIVING MY THOUGHTS ON OTHER PEOPLE.

THAT's IT.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

LOL OMNI YOU'RE DUMB. YOU COULD JUST HAVE JUST SAID "I DON'T FIND YOU SUSPICIOUS ANYMORE EE." INSTEAD OF GOING INTO THE VERY MECHANICAL AND ROBOTIC WAY YOU BRAIN WORKS.

ALSO EARLY DEADLINE. I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD LET US KNOW WHO THEY ARE OK WITH LYNCHING AND WHO THEY AREN'T OK WITH LYNCHING.

I'M OK WITH EITHER MARSHY OR MASTERWARLORD OBVIOUSLY

 

[smashman90]

For every action in this thread, there is a reaction and I believe the reactions will be the best way to track the MegaMen.

How do you know that they're all men?

 

[Omni]

How do you know that they're all men?

Before I respond, is this a joke post? Answer this question seriously.

 

[Chaco]

How do you know that they're all men?

Hi. You literally pass up walls of text to post that.

 

[smashman90]

Before I respond, is this a joke post? Answer this question seriously.

No, I'm not joking around. We have no proof that all of the megamafia are men. We know that Megaman is in the game and that's about it. We don't know who the other members are. So why would you call them "Megamen" instead of Megamafia? Did you just misword it or do you know something that we don't? Maybe I'm just reading too much into this (knowing me, I probably am). <.<

 

[Omni]

No, I'm not joking around. We have no proof that all of the megamafia are men. We know that Megaman is in the game and that's about it. We don't know who the other members are. So why would you call them "Megamen" instead of Megamafia? Did you just misword it or do you know something that we don't? Maybe I'm just reading too much into this (knowing me, I probably am). <.<

I'm actually glad you brought this up. I was about to bash you for calling me out on such a stupid concept, but it brings up an interesting idea actually.

So far I thought it was obvious that the set-up is 3 Megaman's, hence, they kill one of us at night and all 3 get our power. Scav said a few times in his first post, "Stop Megaman," in which I took as singular but I misread this:

Whenever Megaman (and by extension, the Mafia) kill one of the 8 Master Robots, he gets their power. Of course, this also means everyone will have a power.

I never thought of the possibility that it could be a GF/Goon/Goon setup and only one person gets the power.

So now I'm wondering is there 3 Megaman's or is there 1 Megaman and 2... not Megamen? If there is only one Megaman and we kill him, does that end the game? I wonder if Scav is allowed to answer this for us.

I would guess that there is only one Megaman (GF type) with 2 Non-Megamen (Goons) because of Macman's restriction. I wouldn't think that Megaman himself would be able to cast such an odd restriction given Megaman's character doesn't imply any kind of power whatsoever.

To answer your question, Smashman, I also did not know.

 

[Chaco]

I believe he means all the Master Robots, have powers. Which he reiterated later on.

 

[smashman90]

So now I'm wondering is there 3 Megaman's or is there 1 Megaman and 2... not Megamen? If there is only one Megaman and we kill him, does that end the game? I wonder if Scav is allowed to answer this for us.

I would guess that there is only one Megaman (GF type) with 2 Non-Megamen (Goons) because of Macman's restriction. I wouldn't think that Megaman himself would be able to cast such an odd restriction given Megaman's character doesn't imply any kind of power whatsoever.

Eh, Protoman was a prototype version of Megaman and is his "brother". Bass is basically an evil imitation of Megaman that was constructed by Wily who wants to prove that he is the greatest robot ever and wants to take down Megaman. But Bass has teamed up with Megaman before because Wily has brought back some of his old creations and he feels that those robots are in his way of defeating Megaman. They both have Megaman's copying powers. I think Duo does have the copying powers as well, I know he did have it in The Power Fighters but I wasn't sure if that was an official power of his or not. So yes, I guess in a way you could call them Megamen.

Wait a tick, wouldn't that just mean that my first post was right about either Protoman, Duo or Bass most likely being the remaining mafia members?

 

[mentosman8]

The better question smash, is does it matter if you were right? That first post actually started something that could have been interesting to hear, then you dropped it making mention of your first post which had no value at all.

 

[Rockin]

Wait a tick, wouldn't that just mean that my first post was right about either Protoman, Duo or Bass most likely being the remaining mafia members?

I wanted to respond from Chaco's first post to now, but I saw this and had to respond

It could be possible, but uncertain really. And for all of them to have copying powers is total BS and broken. That basically means that all three of them would have search man's power and even at that point it's broken. In first post, Scav said the reference would be from Mega Man 1 to Mega Man 9. That means games like Mega Man: Power fighters are null and void in this topic. This also means that Bass can't be a team up with Mega man, since in Mega Man 7 and 8 he was clearly against him. The only two possible allies are Proto Man and Duo.

I want to randomly mention that Evil Eye's big post is indeed full of sexiness, as he has promised :3

 

[Rockin]

Btw, Mentos, who are your top suspects?

I think After Mentos, Only Marshy (who may be replacing Xsyven), and then Master Warlord (assuming he's not replaced) >_>

 

[Chaco]

Day One Votes

Handorin - 1 (Mentosman)
Smashman - 1 (Rockin)
Chaco - 1 (Xsyven)
Xsyven - 1 (Macman)
Masterwarlord - 1 (Chaco)

Not voting: Evil Eye, Smashman, Wikipedia, Masterwarlord, Omni, Handorin

With 11 remaining, it takes 6 to lynch.

Gah, it's been since the 17th since Scav posted a vote count. -.- I doubt Warlord's been prodded either. I believe the only vote that has actually changed since this one is EE voting Warlord. However, I am not sure.

 

[mentosman8]

Haha wow, that was the last vote count? Anyway, I am thinking Warlord is the indie still, and that is my top lynch choice right now. Unvote: Handorin I did this long ago but it was missed as of the last vote updater, and Vote: MasterWarlord that should put him at 3.

 

[Scav]

Hey look, a new votecount!

Masterwarlord, now Ignatius - 3 (Chaco, Mentosman, Evil Eye)
Xsyven - 2 (Macman, Omni)
Smashman - 1 (Rockin)
Chaco - 1 (Xsyven)


Not voting: Smashman, Wikipedia, Masterwarlord/Ignatius, Handorin

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Ignatius replaces MasterWarlord.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

WAITING FOR a RESPONSE FROM MARSHY

 

[Omni]

Warlord looking for a replacement after getting some heat doesn't sit well with me.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

fyi: i haven't actually replaced

 

[#HBC | Mac]

OH WtF