MegaMafia | Day 4 - Mafia wins!

[#HBC | marshy]

eh i'm gonna take smashman off the scum list and invite him to the alliance. so can chaco, ee, iggy, macman, mentos, and smashman just join the alliance and we kill everyone else already?

why is anyone suspicious of xsyven/me?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

@Marshy: Welcome to the game. Like Macman said you're not off the hook so stop buddying with a general group of people. What do you think of Xsyven's play?

those are all people i think are town. so if we just agree to kill everyone else then town'll win

and what do you mean i'm not off the hook? xsyven was on a hook? reading through people were suspicious of him because he "knew" macman had a restriction (made null by warlord/iggy's claim) and he didn't post as much. why the hell would you ask me what i think of the play of who i replaced? do you expect me to say "he was suspicious" or some **** like that?

such a worthless question unvote wiki vote omni

 

[Rockin]

eh i'm gonna take smashman off the scum list and invite him to the alliance. so can chaco, ee, iggy, macman, mentos, and smashman just join the alliance and we kill everyone else already?

why is anyone suspicious of xsyven/me?

I dunno why you're suspicious of me, really. What have I done that seems scummy?

The main reason they were suspicious of Xsyven was because he seemed to knew Macman had a restriction, even though Macman only posted in the RVS. I think that pretty much died down once Iggy claimed and whatnot. I think right now in terms of you personally, everyone wants to know what do ou think about how Xsyven has been playing.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

you can join the alliance if you want rockin

that's a totally irrelevant question and you won't get anything out of it. seriously what is there to gain there from that? xsyven wasn't suspicious. at all

 

[Omni]

that's a totally irrelevant question and you won't get anything out of it. seriously what is there to gain there from that? xsyven wasn't suspicious. at all

You're stupid. I hope it's because your new but me, Evil Eye, and Macman have already been through the reasons why Xsyven was suspicious. Go back and do some rereading.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

MEH, XSY/MARSHY's SUSPICION DEPENDS ON WHAT IGGY FLIPS. IF IGGY IS TOWN/INDY THAAN XSY WASN'T SUSPICIOUS AT ALL. IF IGGY IS MAFIA THAN XSY STILL IS. TIS WHY WE SHUD LYNCH IGGY
WIKI IS THE ONLY PERSON OTHER THAN IGGY THAT ID FEEL COMFORTABLE LYNCHING. THOUGH IF HE FLIPS TOWN, I DON'T THINK WED GET AS MUCH INFO AS A IGGY LYNCH.

 

[Chaco]

Iggy's claim ruins the suspicions on him.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

not going to wade back through crap like "i wonder how xsyven figured out the post restriction" and nonsense like flavor reasoning. just be content to know that all 3 of you were wrong if you really thought xsyven was scum

Killing Iggy could give us a lot of information. It would tell us if there could be multiple master robots (townies) from the same game. If he came up Indie then it does support the theory that there is one robot from each game. Thus a full robot name claim may reveal 7 robots from the rest of the 7 games. Then the Mafia cc'ing one of each game.

terrible thought process. who cares about the master robots? who cares about a robot from each game? why are we narrowing down names for megaman? you're thinking nameclaim already? despite names possibly being a giveaway to that players power?

stop trying to break the game or speculate about flavor and scumhunt

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Iggy's claim ruins the suspicions on him.

how do people not grasp this?

xsyven said something like "let's figure out why macman's POSTING like that" and then he suggests a POSTING restriction. that is not suspicious

 

[Rockin]

Again Marshy, people didn't suspect much of Xsyven after Iggy claimed. And ****it, I really want to believe Iggy is a indie...but just...ugh.

Unvote: Iggy

 

[#HBC | Mac]

WAIT WHAT, WHYd YU UNVOTE?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

because iggy is town

 

[Chaco]

Yeah, a lynch on Iggy wouldn't be in town's best interest at this time.

However, Marshy. Why are you saying that Smash is pretty much cleared? His whole idea will utterly ruin the game. It will result in Megamafia picking us off by powers. If he abandons the need to rely on flavor, iunno. Just the fact that he wants to point out the master robots is really stupid.

 

[Omni]

I'm not trying to break the game, Marshy. I'm not going to explain to you the exact reasons why several of us suspected Xsyven because you're too lazy to read the entire thread.

Iggy's claim was solid, but that doesn't remove all suspicion from him given that Warlord's play was completely anti-town. My approach to the game and your approach to the game is much different. You tossing votes around like a dog surrounded by ankles isn't a more superior approach to my metagaming strategy.

If my **** lines up my **** lines up. Instead of slandering it you could logically tell me why it wouldn't work.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

WHAT NO. LYNCh IGGY.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

macman your suspicions are terrible this time around

names are often an indicator of their role. that's a big point of themes. dunno much about megaman but if i had seen omis claim search man i would've concluded that he was probably an investigator role. it's also likely that scav gave scum safeclaims in case town is dumb enough to go for a nameclaim here giving us no information out of it

i think the only case you could make for it is that's we each a villain from mega mans 1-8 and even then there's 9 games and a bunch of spinoffs

are you just playing dumb?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

l DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO.

 

[Omni]

i think the only case you could make for it is that's we each a villain from mega mans 1-8 and even then there's 9 games and a bunch of spinoffs

What? What are you talking about?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

you being suspicious of warlord/iggy and xsyven/me was what i meant by terrible suspicions. then omni considering a nameclaim

 

[Omni]

you being suspicious of warlord/iggy and xsyven/me was what i meant by terrible suspicions. then omni considering a nameclaim

You haven't read ****, Marshy. You're coming into the game making claims and suspicious and saying the dumbest thing you can name off the top of your head like, "Why is Xsyven suspicious?" and "Start scumhunting." The Xsyven suspicion was purely scumhunt suspect yet, if you had read earlier, I couldn't begin grilling him due to his silence after the suspicion.

Macman was the one considering a nameclaim. I told Macman that it would be stupid to nameclaim at this point since we have no solid information nor "formulas" to go off by. Again, you're being stupid and either not reading what people are saying or you're just purposely trying to misdirect.

My idea was that killing Iggy would give us results that could lead to a possible nameclaim in the future that could prove to be useful.

Stop talking and do more reading. Then again, your assertive style is really good against player's like Rockin who are easily swayed by aggressiveness.

 

[Omni]

Smashman, not Macman.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

WHEN WAS l CONSIDERING A NAMECLAIM?

I WANT TO LYNCH IGGY BECAUSE THE POSSIBILITY THAT MARSHY AND IGGY ARE BOTH MAFIA TOGETHER WILL CONTINUE TO BUG ME. [IT WOULD MAKE SENSE AS TO WHY XSY SEEMED TO KNOW ABOUT MY POST RESTRICTION] AND BECAUSE I DON'T THINK A WIKI LYNCH WOULD HAPPEN.

 

[mentosman8]

I'd just like to say Omni, the Xsyven suspicion had nothing to do with scumhunting. People were all over him because Mac said he was confident that the person who gave him his restriction was mafia, and Xsyven had looked like the one who gave it. Once Iggy/Warlord claimed, the entire case anyone had built on Xsyven was destroyed, barring Iggy flipping mafia.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

no omni. i'm not rereading all this again. if you don't quote what you "had" on xsyven then i'm not digging it up. i'm sure the case is crap anyway

Thus a full robot name claim may reveal 7 robots from the rest of the 7 games. Then the Mafia cc'ing one of each game.

this is what i meant by you considering a nameclaim. you named it as a pro in case iggy flipped indy. i'm saying even if he did, then a nameclaim should not be considered

 

[Omni]

@Mentos: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8144733&postcount=174

But specifically:

Right now I'm looking at Xsyven and Evil Eye. Here's why:


Keyword: only. Did we not notice that in addition to Macman's odd posting that he was typoing at a ridiculous rate? Why would someone who should have no idea what the posting restriction is only put emphasis on capital letters? To add on to this, he was the first to put an end to the joking stage and asked everyone to think of reasons behind Mac's post restriction without giving his own. To top it off, let's ask the question again:

"What are the reasons as to why Macman can only post in caps?"

...The obvious reasons is that is either a post restriction or a fake post restriction. "How" Macman came about receiving this possible restriction would have been a much more effective question and yet, at the same time, would lead us no where.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

[IT WOULD MAKE SENSE AS TO WHY XSY SEEMED TO KNOW ABOUT MY POST RESTRICTION] AND BECAUSE I DON'T THINK A WIKI LYNCH WOULD HAPPEN.

xsyven said something like "let's figure out why macman's POSTING like that" and then he suggests a POSTING restriction. that is not suspicious

but of course you have this all figured out macman

 

[Omni]

This was my basis for my speculation. I then placed a vote on him to add the necessary pressure.

Then I would have confirmed my ideas by grilling him and reading into his responses. Scumhunting, to be exact.

However because he replaced with Marshy I was unable to. Also, since Marshy refuses to give any kind of input on Xsyven's possible predicament it brings the cold trail to a complete dead end.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Sl GH

 

[Ignatius]

We have 3 facts:

1.) There are bots from Megaman 1-8.
2.) Search Man was killed. He's from Megaman 8.
3.) Iggy claimed Grenade Man. Also from Megaman 8.

I see what you're trying to do but you should be careful. Scav said there are bots from Megaman 1-8, but he didn't say there had to be a master robot from each game. The only way we could work on a "formula" is if we had enough information and facts to create one. We don't and you're formula requires a certain amount of assumption for things to add up.

Also, take into consideration that we have an Indie. If the Indie is a master robot and Scav conveniently takes one robot from each Megaman and puts them in the game then two robots will have to be from the same game. That's only IF Scav created the game in this fashion. We don't have any proof, but if he did then well Iggy is our indie.

Killing Iggy could give us a lot of information. It would tell us if there could be multiple master robots (townies) from the same game. If he came up Indie then it does support the theory that there is one robot from each game. Thus a full robot name claim may reveal 7 robots from the rest of the 7 games. Then the Mafia cc'ing one of each game.

That's all I need for the moment. Warlord's stupid play, Warlord's stupid reactions to the play, the fact that Grenade Man's role yells out Indie, and the fact that lynching Iggy will confirm if two master robots (townies) can exist in the same game.

vote: Iggy

"For the flavor inclined, this game will be using only Megaman 1-9 as reference." - taken from the first post by the way. So, that should make the current three facts:

1.) There are bots from Megaman 1-9.
2.) Search Man was killed. He's from Megaman 8.
3.) Iggy claimed Grenade Man. Also from Megaman 8.

That said, if you were to lynch me, I'd flip grenade man and town, what information do you get from this exactly? It would confirm that Marshy/Xsy didn't have anything to do with this, and mafia would put us at 5 town/3mafia/1 indy the next Day, presuming that that the indy can't kill/mafia lands a kill. It also kills the theory that you're trying to metagame a bit with, of one master from each of the games.

There was one other thing I wanted to bring up, in that a few of you believed my claim, but still thought I was Indy. For those of you that think that, what possible win condition can you think of that would fit what I can do with my ability. My ability relies completely on the other players ability to incorrectly follow the restriction, that already seems like the worst indy role in the world.

 

[Omni]

Okay now that everyone's calmed the **** down:

@Marshy: Welcome to the game. Like Macman said you're not off the hook so stop buddying with a general group of people. What do you think of Xsyven's play?

@Rockin: What was your reasoning for removing the vote on Iggy?

@Mentos: I'm barely in this thread yet I've read enough to know that speculations on Xsyven initially started with Macman's sudden psychic ability awakening followed by my heavy assertion that it may not be just coinencedence. I know how keen you are to detail so the fact that you couldn't "observe" this from the beginning doesn't fit well with me. Now that you've seen my speculations, what do you think of the whole Xsyven business?

@Chaco: I don't think Iggy's claim ruins anything. Iggy's claim is Iggy's claim. It was a helleva good one which I've already stated. However, you can't ignore Warlord's behavior and you can't ignore Iggy's ability to cover for Warlord's mishaps. Iggy and Warlord are now two sides of a coin and you need to take into consideration both sides before you start "clearing" people.

 

[Chaco]

macman your suspicions are terrible this time around

names are often an indicator of their role. that's a big point of themes. dunno much about megaman but if i had seen omis claim search man i would've concluded that he was probably an investigator role. it's also likely that scav gave scum safeclaims in case town is dumb enough to go for a nameclaim here giving us no information out of it

i think the only case you could make for it is that's we each a villain from mega mans 1-8 and even then there's 9 games and a bunch of spinoffs

are you just playing dumb?

I agree completely. With that, can we please ditch the flavor talk? Really think here. I mean we're going to have to some kick *** scum hunting going on. Right now this is being clouded by flavor talk, which does nothing at all. It is purely assumptions and you have no grounds to base it off of. It is null.

Marshy who, in your opinion, should we kill?

 

[Chaco]

@Omni: How so? The claim fits perfectly. It makes perfect sense. Concussion Grenade fits that to a button. I honestly think Iggy is town. And Omni, Iggy has the right to explain Warlord's mishaps because they are a single entity in this game. You cannot keep seperating them by that. They are the same person. So what are you saying with this coin reference? Two sides of the same person? Different playstyles accomodates that.

 

[mentosman8]

Omni: I've seen your speculation, I've seen Xsy become suspicious. However, the fact is the reason he was made suspicious was because he seemed to point out the exact restriction Mac had right away. Well, that entire argument is shot down by the fact that Warlord/Iggy gave the restriction, unless we lynch iggy and he flips maf, the main reason for our suspicion of Xsyven is shot down because he really DIDN'T know any better than us what the restriction is. Other than that, Xsy didn't really have much to be suspicious of.

 

[Omni]

@Omni: How so? The claim fits perfectly. It makes perfect sense. Concussion Grenade fits that to a button. I honestly think Iggy is town. And Omni, Iggy has the right to explain Warlord's mishaps because they are a single entity in this game. You cannot keep seperating them by that. They are the same person. So what are you saying with this coin reference? Two sides of the same person? Different playstyles accomodates that.

I think you're being too naive.

Iggy's claim is Heads. Warlord's play Pre-Iggy is Tails. Iggy's claim was both smart, intelligent, and seems to answer a lot of questions if they are indeed true. Warlord's behavior was both dumb and anti-town. It is important to not ignore what occurred before Iggy came into the game. The same goes for Marshy/Xsyven.

However, I do not believe Iggy is Mafia. The more and more I read his posts the more his scum vibes and even the indie vibes seem to fade.

Which is also why I have been getting pissed with Marshy's behavior. He comes into the game not reading anything, making blanket statements, buddying, and pretty much ignorant of a few speculations that should not be missed. I don't find it unreasonable for anyone to ask Marshy the question I am asking nor should it be difficult to answer.

However, since Marshy came into the game under the pretense that there were no legit suspicions on Xsyven that would explain his refusal to answer my question. We were waiting for the longest time (including you Chaco) for Xsyven to address our claims which he did not. Now I am asking for Marshy to do so instead in Xsyven's place.

unvote: Iggy

I also agree this flavor nonsense needs to be pushed aside for the moment.

 

[Omni]

Omni: I've seen your speculation, I've seen Xsy become suspicious. However, the fact is the reason he was made suspicious was because he seemed to point out the exact restriction Mac had right away. Well, that entire argument is shot down by the fact that Warlord/Iggy gave the restriction, unless we lynch iggy and he flips maf, the main reason for our suspicion of Xsyven is shot down because he really DIDN'T know any better than us what the restriction is. Other than that, Xsy didn't really have much to be suspicious of.

Hm. This is still going under the basis that we are following what Iggy has said to be true.

His **** does add up though. You're right, and I'll admit that my previous speculation has lost a lot of weight. Especially since I am now starting to believe Iggy may be town.

I was pointing out that Xsyven's suspicion originally had scumhunting intentions behind them which was coming from me.

 

[Handorin]

Ignatius - 3 (Evil Eye, Macman, Rockin)
Smashman - 1 (Chaco)
Wikipedia - 1 (Marshy)

Not voting: Ignatius, Omni, Smashman, Wikipedia, Handorin, Mentosman

Please note: I will begin posting votecounts every 2 days from here on out. Please double check to make sure I've tracked you correctly. PM me if there are any issues.

Additional, more important note: Due to a high number of replacements, I am extending the deadline to Monday, August 28th, at 11:59pm central.

Do you mean Monday, August 31st?

Also, don't worry guys. I'm typing up a post. I just wanted to put this in a separate one when I saw it.

 

[Handorin]

AAaaaand that's what I get for posting before reading everything. I just saw Scav's Post.

Still reading/typing.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Marshy who, in your opinion, should we kill?

right now i'm thinking hando, omni, or wiki. maybe rockin. really i'm good with anyone who's not in the alliance i'm trying to build

 

[Chaco]

So who'd be your top out of those?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

eh. wik i