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MegaMafia | Day 4 - Mafia wins!
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Handorin
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This might be rather incomplete because the multiquote seems to bug sometimes. I think I have most of this stuff I want to respond too though.
Wow, really? You are going to rely this much on flavor? Sorry to say, the only thing it might do is lead to crack some counter claims. This game -is- a lot like megaman. It's based off the game! However, we are playing mafia, not Megaman. We know that bots -can- come from games 1-9. For all we know they could come from only 2-4 of them. The rest of the weapon beats weapon is complete bs. It doens't induce a formula at all. It would -require- mafia to shoot the right role first, without knowing who is what robot, THEN try and figure out which person to kill next with that specific weapon. That's is completley unfair unless you have godly reading abilities. In the OP, it clearly says that Megaman gains their power. So would it be so far out on a limb to say that Megaman now has only searchman's ability? That being said, how was it a mistake for mafia to kill Searchman? I find this statement very odd.
And stop using Spam gut logic. It isn't always right.
Wow, really? You are going to rely this much on flavor? Sorry to say, the only thing it might do is lead to crack some counter claims. This game -is- a lot like megaman. It's based off the game! However, we are playing mafia, not Megaman. We know that bots -can- come from games 1-9. For all we know they could come from only 2-4 of them. The rest of the weapon beats weapon is complete bs. It doens't induce a formula at all. It would -require- mafia to shoot the right role first, without knowing who is what robot, THEN try and figure out which person to kill next with that specific weapon. That's is completley unfair unless you have godly reading abilities. In the OP, it clearly says that Megaman gains their power. So would it be so far out on a limb to say that Megaman now has only searchman's ability? That being said, how was it a mistake for mafia to kill Searchman? I find this statement very odd.
And stop using Spam gut logic. It isn't always right.
You are tunnel visioned because 99% of all your post have been directed toward the thought "LYNCH IGGY NOW". I still don't gather on how you think that this role is completley antitown. As said before, there was a town role in Spidermafia that restricted you to one post a day. Sometimes MODs make roles like that to make you think, not follow assumptions blindly. I don't know what to say about his alignment, but I will agree to some extent that lynching him will give us a good amount of info. I just don't know if it the right one atm.
Wow, really? An alliance? Close minded much? You realize that 1 or all 3 mafia could be in that group? You just gave them a free pass to win the game. These people are pretty much the big or frequent posters. That doesn't mean town at all.
lol metagame. Anyways, I'm not sure where you think I'm posting a lot of fluff. I have been under the impression that a great majority of my post have been brief and to the point.
Why would wily be indy? Relying on flavor is bad, but completley ignoring some of it is silly. Wily is the head of the master robots.
Wait, so he posted more and you decided he can join the "alliance"? I guess by your logic, we got the mafia down 100%. Excellent. /sarcasm Xsy was suspicious for the fact he knew right away what the restriction was. After Iggy's claim, it made it seem less so, but it still doesn't give him a clean slate in the future.
Wait wasn't rockin in your alliance? Excluding him, there are just me, omni, and wiki. OP says there are three mafia. That means you think all three of us are mafia. What is the "or" for then?
Logic. I've been going off this small chance of possibly happening, but I ignored it soley cause Iggy's claim as a whole seems like a indie as a whole. However, now that times passed and I think more, I become to realize that possible thing could be 50%-60%, where as before seems like 25% and lower
I'm not gonna say much, but all I'm saying is that Grenade Man HAS to be either a indie or town. Because he's a Robot Master and that the pr fits like a glove, I want to say he could be town.
what is that suppose to mean? >=/
I'm not easily swayed by anything. I'm still planning to play the same way even before Marshy came.
My suspicions of IggyWarlord as the indy haven't swayed in the slightest from his claim. I never questioned his claim as Grenade Man, nor the ability implied therein. If anyone was suspicious of Warlord solely in the absence of a solid claim, then you were suspicious of him for all the wrong reasons.
From Iggy:
Since I don't consider him very likely scum anymore, I won't continue to press that angle, but obviously his ability could be a scum ability as surely as anything else can -- in SWFMafia the tracker was a mafiat.
However, I still lean heavily on lyncher. And the only real counter-argument I've managed to glean from what's going on right now is that his claim being solid makes that unlikely... um, how? Scav said that every single one of us would have "a little juice", so a lyncher or other indy role is quite clearly going to have an ability on top of their win condition. It doesn't have to relate to their power at all. Moreover, giving someone a posting restriction is a power that could be useful to the lyncher because you can influence their posting style. Personally, I found that the claim of his ability and Warlord's targeting macman to stoke the flames, not pat them out. Have we forgotten already what Warlord did? He counterclaimed a posting restriction for the sole purpose of incriminating Macman, and he apparently put it on him in the first place. If that's not a specific targeting, I don't know what is, but it seems to have soared fifty feet over almost everyone's head.
Iggy knows what weak logic this is, and yet he's attaching himself to it because you guys have put that defence up for him. He did the same thing in Assassins in the Palace/Cult of Cthulhu, where I defended him against suspicion because he'd (supposedly) argued against the lynch of a very good player who was getting RL'd. That's the one thing I've managed to notice about antitown Iggy. He coasts and observes, and when he sees a line of thinking or logic that paints him in a favorable light, he slides into it ever so casually.
As for what we would learn by Iggy's lynch, I laid that out in my big post. People who flailed and amoeba'd about the subject of his lynch would be the ones of keenest interest if he were to flip town, which is still something I consider highly unlikely.
Moving on to other suspects:
My suspicions against Xsy are, for the most part, dropped. His decision not to answer to suspicions and then disappear from the game is indeed a bit unusual, but the crux of the arguments against him (his unusual psychic awakening) was dismantled by Iggy's claim. Of course, if Iggy were lynched and flipped scum, this would be a whole new ball game. But I don't consider Iggy very likely scum.
Wikipedia, however, is still there. My points against him still stand, and I always get a little uneasy when someone jumps to my defence before I've had a chance to lay out my own. It always feels like trying to get behind me so I don't focus on you, or pre-emptively trying to connect me to them. Matt, the godfather of SWFMafia, did this precise strategy.
I'd be alright with a Wiki lynch, but if he flipped town I think we'd end up with very little to go on. Compared to Iggy who would yield some leads even in that case, which is why I haven't moved from my vote. If someone can tell me what leads we gain from Wiki flipping town/indy/mafia and show me a good enough game for the "town" possibility, then I'd be comfortable with that lynch.
@Rockin: I don't understand what the hell you were even saying in your last post. It seemed like you threw up a bunch of random percentages. You said you "become to realize" something, and yet what you were being asked for in the first place was what MADE you realize this "something", and what that "something" even was.
From Iggy:
This is a post that really bothered me. Iggy, here, latches onto the naive common assumption among you that whatever indy (or scum) role he could possibly have would have to relate directly to his character/power. AKA flavor, the thing we've been trying to disregard.
Since I don't consider him very likely scum anymore, I won't continue to press that angle, but obviously his ability could be a scum ability as surely as anything else can -- in SWFMafia the tracker was a mafiat.
However, I still lean heavily on lyncher. And the only real counter-argument I've managed to glean from what's going on right now is that his claim being solid makes that unlikely... um, how? Scav said that every single one of us would have "a little juice", so a lyncher or other indy role is quite clearly going to have an ability on top of their win condition. It doesn't have to relate to their power at all. Moreover, giving someone a posting restriction is a power that could be useful to the lyncher because you can influence their posting style. Personally, I found that the claim of his ability and Warlord's targeting macman to stoke the flames, not pat them out. Have we forgotten already what Warlord did? He counterclaimed a posting restriction for the sole purpose of incriminating Macman, and he apparently put it on him in the first place. If that's not a specific targeting, I don't know what is, but it seems to have soared fifty feet over almost everyone's head.
Iggy knows what weak logic this is, and yet he's attaching himself to it because you guys have put that defence up for him. He did the same thing in Assassins in the Palace/Cult of Cthulhu, where I defended him against suspicion because he'd (supposedly) argued against the lynch of a very good player who was getting RL'd. That's the one thing I've managed to notice about antitown Iggy. He coasts and observes, and when he sees a line of thinking or logic that paints him in a favorable light, he slides into it ever so casually.
As for what we would learn by Iggy's lynch, I laid that out in my big post. People who flailed and amoeba'd about the subject of his lynch would be the ones of keenest interest if he were to flip town, which is still something I consider highly unlikely.
Moving on to other suspects:
My suspicions against Xsy are, for the most part, dropped. His decision not to answer to suspicions and then disappear from the game is indeed a bit unusual, but the crux of the arguments against him (his unusual psychic awakening) was dismantled by Iggy's claim. Of course, if Iggy were lynched and flipped scum, this would be a whole new ball game. But I don't consider Iggy very likely scum.
Wikipedia, however, is still there. My points against him still stand, and I always get a little uneasy when someone jumps to my defence before I've had a chance to lay out my own. It always feels like trying to get behind me so I don't focus on you, or pre-emptively trying to connect me to them. Matt, the godfather of SWFMafia, did this precise strategy.
I'd be alright with a Wiki lynch, but if he flipped town I think we'd end up with very little to go on. Compared to Iggy who would yield some leads even in that case, which is why I haven't moved from my vote. If someone can tell me what leads we gain from Wiki flipping town/indy/mafia and show me a good enough game for the "town" possibility, then I'd be comfortable with that lynch.
@Rockin: I don't understand what the hell you were even saying in your last post. It seemed like you threw up a bunch of random percentages. You said you "become to realize" something, and yet what you were being asked for in the first place was what MADE you realize this "something", and what that "something" even was.
I'll explain
Let's say that Iggy's claim is legit. He's Grenade Man. Robot Master. Power role connect with him. IF Iggy is said what he means, wouldn't that mean we started with actually 9 Robot Masters instead of 8? If that were the case, it'd be a bad setup for someone like Scav to do, since I'm assuming he's following the Mega Man formula. Not right down to the core, but somewhere at least.
When I thought that, I ingnored it because of the fact it sounded stupid and that I may be too focused on the setup. Now I feel that if Grenade Man is indeed a robot master like us, there would be no way he would be a indie while still in the figure of a robot master.
There could, however be that chance of Iggy fake claiming, but it's so slim, especially upon how stacked the odds are for Iggy. MWL basically ****ed him up too much.
In all honesty, as Evil Eye said and I agree on, lynching Iggy would give us a lot of answers to work with for D2's discussion. I'm up for a Iggy lynch if need be, but I'll also be fine by not lynching him.
Well, here's what I agree on. We need to get things going one time or another. His power hurts the town, and well if it will give us insight, then I'll be for it.
However, I'd be down for a Wiki lynch. He's lurking hard. Everytime I see him in dGames I check what he's doing. Just because he doesn't post a lot. More than half of the time it's replying, but never actually submitting.
However, I'd be down for a Wiki lynch. He's lurking hard. Everytime I see him in dGames I check what he's doing. Just because he doesn't post a lot. More than half of the time it's replying, but never actually submitting.
Handorin
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Can someone tell me how giving someone a restriction hurts town?
Like, the only thing hurting us in this case is Macman is being tunnelvisioned. His Caps is not hurting us.
So unless there is something he isn't telling us, it isn't antitown at all.
Like, the only thing hurting us in this case is Macman is being tunnelvisioned. His Caps is not hurting us.
So unless there is something he isn't telling us, it isn't antitown at all.
I'll assume that wasn't directed at me, because my argument has almost nothing to do with Iggy's ability to give people posting restrictions.
EDIT: Ninja'd like nobody's biz. I don't recall him being able to offer up voting restrictions or anything like that.
EDIT: Ninja'd like nobody's biz. I don't recall him being able to offer up voting restrictions or anything like that.
Handorin
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He said there were conswequences if you didn't follow it, but that isn't hard.
Also, why is everyone editing posts when we aren't allowed? -_-
wiki wagon for now but wouldn't mind killing omni either. i'll respond to hando's post later
unvote omni vote wiki
unvote omni vote wiki
WELL i dont mind KILLING marshy CUZ he hasnt done anything but talk and say nothing
HOW ABOUT that huhh get your marshy style out of here mangz no ones going to fall for it you could be mafia and u could bet own no ones going to just ebdn ovrer and take what u have ato dish unless they're also mafia GTFO
hm... wiki or iggy. idk. wiki do u have some kind of defense or something
HOW ABOUT that huhh get your marshy style out of here mangz no ones going to fall for it you could be mafia and u could bet own no ones going to just ebdn ovrer and take what u have ato dish unless they're also mafia GTFO
hm... wiki or iggy. idk. wiki do u have some kind of defense or something
a bit defensive arn't ya? o.o
I don't know, was I?
If you want to get something started you're going to have to be more aggressive than that, Rockin. Come strong or don't come at all.
Sorry I've been inactive the past couple days, Batman Arkham Asylum kind of consumed my life. Anyway, I would consider a Wiki lynch, but I don't really like the quick bandwagon-like suspicion change to him. I do think we would end up with more info from an Iggy lynch than Wiki, but I'll have to think about things.
Limited internet access this weekend. My points still stand. I presently feel we've got better info to gain with an Iggy lynch and a very high chance he's an indy. Wiki I am suspicious of but wouldn't know what we'd gain if he flipped town. I should be back in full force by sunday night though and I'll be reading and sneaking some posts in whenever possible.
Does that mean you'll vote for Iggy? If I remember correctly, after Iggy claimed, you was unsure for a lynch against him and was hoping for a no lynch. I'm just curious really.
WE don't know that.
stop putting words in our mouths >>;;
Oh, sorry. when you said scum, my mind auto thought scum = indy. It does that sometimes XD
But tell me, Chaco. How much you feel we may gain from a wiki lynch?
Well, with Wiki, I feel he is lurking and know it. I watch over dGames every now and then just to see who's looking at it. I see him looking at this thread, and at dGames a few times per day. He just doesn't post. I feel that with a Wiki lynch we don't gain as much as we would from an Iggy lynch, but the prospect that Wiki has been actively lurking worries me. Iggy has posted content, Wiki has not. I do not want to push policy, since to me it is kinda scummy, but Lurkers Get Lynched was coined for a reason. Think of HP mafia where Marshy coasted to victory.
I think from what I remembered, the reason why Marshy coasted was cause many people forgotten about him (surprisingly).
Now, I'm sure no one in this game has forgotten about Wiki. I think several has shown that they would feel somewhat satisfied with a Wiki lynch, myself included. Wiki has been lurking in the game for unknown reasons. Hando has also been posting less, but from what I understood, work has been holding him down. I'm hoping in D2 he'll post a bit more.
The thing is, if we did lynch wiki, I'll may be plagued by 'what if...?' from Iggy. Iggy COULD be our indie, but with a role like Grenade Man and the fact that he's a Robot Master...makes me wonder if he's really indie or town.
In the end, I think if everyone decides for a iggy lynch, I'll go along with it, as it's my more favor for town in terms of information. If it's a wiki or smashman, I'll be fine as well, however I feel we won't gain as much from a Iggy lynch.
Lynching Iggy will give us the most information regardless of how you may feel. All the information we have received thus far revolves around him: Macman's post restrition, Warlord's strange behavior, possible ties with Xsyven, slight confirmation of whether 2 Master Robot's will exist from the same game, Indy ties, etc.
Lynching anyone else at this point and having them flip townie will put us back at square one. If Iggy is indeed townie lynching him will give us a lot to go off on and a lot to discuss on D2.
I don't doubt your suspicions on Wiki, Chaco. I've kinda been keeping my browser up and I've seen him move around in here a few times without posting. That's pretty strange considering Wiki has become the 2nd candidate for a possible lynch.
Basically repeating myself. I'm fine with both Iggy or Wiki; Iggy for information or Wiki for lurker (and not defending himself).
Note what I said there, I think we would get more info from an Iggy lynch, not necessarily that I'm up to voting him. I'm still making my decision as we speak on what our best course of action is. Essentially it's looking like one of two things coming up at the moment.
1. We could end up with a nl. We don't really get any info from it, and it leaves us with one possible mislynch tomorrow. Obviously pros and cons here.
2. We lynch Iggy or Wiki(I highly doubt we will come up with another lynch choice in the next couple days.) This puts us at mylo tomorrow(discounting the indie: if it is a lyncher/other objective based role it could be a potential lylo situation), but gives us more information than the nl does. Between the two even, both offer us different benefits. Iggy/Warlord was a topic of discussion for a large portion of the day, and hence would give us a lot more to look at. Wiki on the other hand is more likely to be scum of the two(I have never had any inclination to believe Iggy is scum, I've been thinking indie), but due to the late day talk of him, and the quick suspicion switch, there's a high chance we wouldn't get much more from him than from the no lynch.
As I said, right now I am weighing the options for which I feel is the better choice for us. Regardless, however, back on the original point, I don't know how I feel about an Iggy lynch, but by either tonight or tomorrow night I should have my thoughts collected and have an idea what I feel is the best course of action.
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
Sorry guys, I just moved in to my dorms and couldn't get the wireless internet figured out and then I have been taking my time getting caught up and reading carefully. I always have my laptop open and pretty much on this game lol so that's probably why it looks like I'm on it a lot more than I am.
I don't have much of a defense because there isn't that much of an argument against me except that I'm lurking. I guess my best defense is to just post more. But I don't think you guys would gain much from lynching me information wise , as people have stated.
I don't have much of a defense because there isn't that much of an argument against me except that I'm lurking. I guess my best defense is to just post more. But I don't think you guys would gain much from lynching me information wise , as people have stated.
smashman90
Smash Lord
Currently, I think a no lynch may be the best course of action. We really don't have much on Wiki except for lurking and his post about how he, like Xsy, had also assumed that Macman had a post restriction. As for Iggy, I still find it kinda weird that we have two robot masters from the same game, especially considering how many robots masters there from Megaman 1 through 9. But, all of Iggy's responses about his claim seem solid so for now I am inclined to believe that he is indeed Grenade Man. I'm not really sure where the idea of him being an Indy came from though.
smashman, there are two main reasons people suspect him of being an indie.
1. Warlord's maneuver faking Mac's restriction, which it has been revealed he GAVE to him, and knew was real, does not fit a townie, however fits certain indie roles perfectly. Of course it could be stupid play, but if we didn't become suspicious because "it was just stupid play" we would never be suspicious.
2. (this reason I don't like) People have pointed out that Grenade Man's character is said to not be able to tell friend from foe, which obviously would fit pretty well as an indie role.
1. Warlord's maneuver faking Mac's restriction, which it has been revealed he GAVE to him, and knew was real, does not fit a townie, however fits certain indie roles perfectly. Of course it could be stupid play, but if we didn't become suspicious because "it was just stupid play" we would never be suspicious.
2. (this reason I don't like) People have pointed out that Grenade Man's character is said to not be able to tell friend from foe, which obviously would fit pretty well as an indie role.
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UNVOTE,
VOTE: WlKl
UNVOTE,
VOTE: WlKl
smashman90
Smash Lord
Alright, I can understand how you can suspect Iggy of being an Indie on this part. But this next reason however....
I'm calling BS on those people then. Only thing close to that is that Grenade Man likes to get hurt or in other words he is a masochist. I've checked around and I haven't found anything about Grenade Man not being able to tell from friend from foe. So until they can show me proof, then they're lying. And yes, I even checked the Megaman wiki site, nothing was shown about him not being able to tell who is friend or who is a foe.
everyone keeps talking about getting info from an iggy lynch. be more specific? or is it just "if iggy flips scum then we have a lead on marshy because xsyven "knew" the restriction"? that's the justification we're going for in a game that allows so few mislynches?
anyways i'm having doubts on a wiki lynch reading back
i've found that most of wiki's posts don't lead anywhere. he's offered a lot of fruitless speculation on roles. but his suggesting a no-lynch so early into the game is pretty blatant for scum. what's important is that he's clearly supportive of it instead of fence-sitting and asking everyone to speculate about it. however making a decision on him would be much easier if he scrutinized players a lot more. it's been 2 weeks and i don't know who he's suspicious of other than iggy
i hadn't gone for wiki because he was lurking. fos chaco for that
iggy...eh. warlord's play was pretty questionable. but this just doesn't seem like scum iggy. i'm really not sure what to say other than that. his posts have all been spent defending himself and i don't know who he's suspicious of either
i'll also remind people that warlord's supposed motive for the fake restriction was to prove himself town which is what stingers did in totally normal mafia as town. it just ends up causing confusion but eh. that may be the case here
iggy. who are you comfortable lynching?
the main problem with this game is that there's too much tunneling and not enough skepticism. it's like most players are on iggy for warlord's play and clinging onto xsyven for "knowing" about his restriction which is pretty lame considering i know i'm town. iggy, wiki, and smashman have been the worst when it comes to this. smashman is STILL making posts dedicated to flavor
but i'm leaning town on smashman. he was scum in totally normal mafia and over there he worked by piggybacking people and being non-committal. i don't get that vibe too much here and like macman said earlier he's been dedicating a lot of research into the flavor of this game. that's bad for town, but it's consistent with his town play in harry potter and spidey mafia
ugh
anyways i'm having doubts on a wiki lynch reading back
i've found that most of wiki's posts don't lead anywhere. he's offered a lot of fruitless speculation on roles. but his suggesting a no-lynch so early into the game is pretty blatant for scum. what's important is that he's clearly supportive of it instead of fence-sitting and asking everyone to speculate about it. however making a decision on him would be much easier if he scrutinized players a lot more. it's been 2 weeks and i don't know who he's suspicious of other than iggy
i hadn't gone for wiki because he was lurking. fos chaco for that
iggy...eh. warlord's play was pretty questionable. but this just doesn't seem like scum iggy. i'm really not sure what to say other than that. his posts have all been spent defending himself and i don't know who he's suspicious of either
i'll also remind people that warlord's supposed motive for the fake restriction was to prove himself town which is what stingers did in totally normal mafia as town. it just ends up causing confusion but eh. that may be the case here
iggy. who are you comfortable lynching?
the main problem with this game is that there's too much tunneling and not enough skepticism. it's like most players are on iggy for warlord's play and clinging onto xsyven for "knowing" about his restriction which is pretty lame considering i know i'm town. iggy, wiki, and smashman have been the worst when it comes to this. smashman is STILL making posts dedicated to flavor
but i'm leaning town on smashman. he was scum in totally normal mafia and over there he worked by piggybacking people and being non-committal. i don't get that vibe too much here and like macman said earlier he's been dedicating a lot of research into the flavor of this game. that's bad for town, but it's consistent with his town play in harry potter and spidey mafia
ugh
This post makes me very uncomfortable.
I'll explain later.
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
Most of Marshy's posts make me uncomfortable. Like making an 'alliance'?? Wtf. If you are truly town than you are in the uninformed majority therefore making your alliance baseless and therefore useless. No one has been cleared yet. It is an abusive social tactic because no one would not want to be in the alliance because they feel protected but it only adds confusion and it screws over everyone else not in your stupid alliance especially townies that you have misread and thus not 'invited' in to your self declared alliance.
The only elite 'alliance' I am aware of is the mafia, Marshy. You a member of that alliance too?
The only elite 'alliance' I am aware of is the mafia, Marshy. You a member of that alliance too?
I agree. To me, this doesn't seem normal for you at all Marshy. You hardly ever second guess yourself, so what's up?
Vote: Marshy
The above talking was scum Marshy talking.
Very subtle defense on Iggy.
Switches to subtle reasoning for Wiki lynch (actual legitimate reason).
FoS's Chaco.
"Iggy. Who are comfortable lynching?" - Changing the subject; looking for a new target.
"ugh," Definitely scum Marshy.
If Marshy flips scum I'm voting for Iggy D2.
The above talking was scum Marshy talking.
Very subtle defense on Iggy.
Switches to subtle reasoning for Wiki lynch (actual legitimate reason).
FoS's Chaco.
"Iggy. Who are comfortable lynching?" - Changing the subject; looking for a new target.
"ugh," Definitely scum Marshy.
If Marshy flips scum I'm voting for Iggy D2.