Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
I don't understand why with decent matchups landing him in the mid to high 20s that yoshi is so low on the actual tier list, it's sort of like there is predjudice or something going on :/
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its not so much that he places low, its that he has such a small following, guys like delta cod are constantly showing what he can do. And yeah, i can tell some of the matchups need an update
imo he should be very bottom of mid tier, or at least top of low
They did the mean averages of several people and their opinion on the ratio.Why are the Pikachu ratios so specific?
I'm still laughing at the idea of 65-35 BTW. Fox ain't as difficult as Olimar.Fox vs. Ike 65-35 Fox's favor
Then umm why did you guys just suddenly leave?I'm still laughing at the idea of 65-35 BTW. Fox ain't as difficult as Olimar.
That's not what I get from reading the thread.Then umm why did you guys just suddenly leave?
We were left under the impression of 65-35. Soo....more your fault then ours.
Well stop looking.>.<
I'll contact Lyon... see what's up then.
*Starts looking*
>.>Well stop looking.
It says 60-40 what MU thread are you looking at...
don't call me again I'm doing stuff.
I believe we left because most of us are sick of MU discussions. (Particularly with idiots like A2ZONG running around, pretending to be knowledgeable about Ike and claiming that everyone that isn't Ganondorf is auto-win against Ike. What a joke.) We can't even keep our own MU discussions going.Then umm why did you guys just suddenly leave?
UpdatedThey did the mean averages of several people and their opinion on the ratio.
btw, for updates, Lucario v. MK is still 40:60 MK's favor, and Lucario v. Snake is 45:55 Snake's favor.
Also Falco is 45:55 Falco's favor.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=221578
Updated with Fox 60-40 IkeFox has some changes.
Fox vs. ZSS 60-40 Fox's favor
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=267392
Fox vs. DK 60-40 Fox's favor
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=268729
Fox vs. DDD 55-45 Fox's favor
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=267716
Fox vs. Ike 65-35 Fox's favor
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=267462
Ohh I see. That sounds funny though.I believe we left because most of us are sick of MU discussions. (Particularly with idiots like A2ZONG running around, pretending to be knowledgeable about Ike and claiming that everyone that isn't Ganondorf is auto-win against Ike. What a joke.) We can't even keep our own MU discussions going.
Heck, the Falcon boards were threatening to put down the MU as Falcon's A, and we basically didn't do anything. The only reason they really changed their mind was because San beat Ally's Falcon, and Ally went into that topic saying Ike has the advantage.
Nice to hear it's 6-4 though. More reasonable.
It's the average of our opinions. Not everyone believed 60-40 Fox on the Ike boards. More Ikes believe it to be 55-45 for Fox. Hence the different MU number.Is confused about things >.<
You guys said 60-40 Fox right it says different in there.
Won't that mess with his chart then if we say one thing you guys say another?It's the average of our opinions. Not everyone believed 60-40 Fox on the Ike boards. More Ikes believe it to be 55-45 for Fox. Hence the different MU number.
^^^this guy, quoted for truth, I think this post should be mandatory at the start of every match up thread.Okay, I seriously don't understand how you cannot have a complete chart by now, even with some errors.
I'm not blaming any particular person, least of all the curator of the chart, but this is ridiculous considering how long it's been worked on. "blah blah blah we don't have the match-up experience" is bullocks, I'm sure at this point between all of us all these match-ups have been fought and SOMETHING can go there.
You know what the problem is? Some respectable person in a character board (likely the mod) starts a match-up topic and does it one character at a time, everyone gets really excited, it gets updated a lot, the match-up gets discussed a lot, and then you move on. Eventually the interval between updates gets longer, people get less excited, and eventually people find it troublesome to put in the effort to discuss things at all and BOOM you're less than half-way through the list. Then the mod quits all together, a new mod comes along to start fresh, he's really excited, and STARTS A NEW TOPIC FROM THE BEGINNING about match-ups and we're stuck in a limbo.
You probably didn't read that, I was basically just *****ing and being a general knob. Dont' worry about it.
For lucario rightJust for an update, G&W is 45:55 G&W's favor, and Ganon is 75:25 Lucario's favor (the current Ganon ratio is a typo).
Yes indeed, forgot to add that inFor lucario right
lol noCharizard vs MK should be either 45-55 or 50-50... Rock Smash and N-Air do very well against him