Okay, R@ven really do you think that the Best DK in the Nation doesn't know match-ups. Hold on DK boards don't go ape **** on me. I'm trying to tell this guy he doesn't know a good match-up DK vs pit like I do, I usually reserve my judgement on matches I don't know. Pit is not one of them, it's a 6:4 because Pit can kill Dk at about 120 with bad DI with good DI Dk can live up to a fresh bair till 140-150% Pit on the other hand on a normal sized stage cannot live past a hundred with a fresh dsmash from DK. Now that's just showing you that the life ration gives DK an extra stock if you will. Since DK builds damage quick and kills better. The mirror gimps are seriously the way I told you. Sure if a Dk does his up b from way off stage then yes Dk will die. But if you wait to get close to the stage up b you can change momentum of your up b when caped or shielded Trust me I tested this very much because I had so much pit practice. I had to, I mean no offense it just makes me angry when people begin to speak of match-ups like they know and understand top level match-ups not against your friends or buddies. But against good accomplished players.