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mood4food77

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yea, soldier is the only class that lets you use every weapon but soon enough, you'll get an upgrade

but seriously, you make money fairly quick in the game so it's not that bad of a thing, also before you buy anything from a store, MAKE SURE YOU CAN GET A DISCOUNT, it will save you loads of money, i still need to buy 1 upgrade, so probably a few more missions for me
 

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Lol, you'd regret picking anything but soldier then. But more power to 'ya.
It just sucks how I can't use ARs like I did in ME1. :(

I'm pissed. **** the pistols, yo.

yea, soldier is the only class that lets you use every weapon but soon enough, you'll get an upgrade

but seriously, you make money fairly quick in the game so it's not that bad of a thing, also before you buy anything from a store, MAKE SURE YOU CAN GET A DISCOUNT, it will save you loads of money, i still need to buy 1 upgrade, so probably a few more missions for me
I have 200,000 credits right now, that good for where I'm at? Level 8 Vanguard, and I'm going to get that krogan dude now for the team.

I also upgraded everything available to me and saving up my minerals.
 

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the krogan is a great partner, to the point where i must use him on every team i send out, he covers everything i need and he doesn't die as often as the others do

but the krogan's loyalty mission, if you do not do the renegade action there, you shouldn't be allowed to play this game, it's just that awesome
 

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F8AL about halfway through the game you'll get to choose another group of weapons to use. Pick AR's there. Also I told you the Vanguard sucked.

Also you seem to be getting through ME2 incredibly slowly I've noticed, you've been playing for how many days and you only have Mordin, Jack and Garrus? Do you do like 1 recruitment mission a day or something?
 

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He might just be really busy or just be taking the experience in doing 3 hours a day. Also, Kasumi's loyalty mission will give you a fully automatic submachine gun after doing it that should make things easier. Saved my butt so many times as Sentinel before I got the AR upgrade and could use the Mattock.
 

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F8AL about halfway through the game you'll get to choose another group of weapons to use. Pick AR's there. Also I told you the Vanguard sucked.

Also you seem to be getting through ME2 incredibly slowly I've noticed, you've been playing for how many days and you only have Mordin, Jack and Garrus? Do you do like 1 recruitment mission a day or something?
Really? Well, looking forward to it then. :)

And you did? I remember asking a few weeks ago about which class to use for ME2 and I thought that the Vanguard was good since it was a combination of soldier and the biotics class? Best of both worlds, no?

What would you recommend me for when I play through ME2 again?

And I only really play Xbox for 2-3 hours a day, I've been doing the side assignments as well as exploring, mining, etc.

I've been doing 1 recruitment mission a day.

He might just be really busy or just be taking the experience in doing 3 hours a day. Also, Kasumi's loyalty mission will give you a fully automatic submachine gun after doing it that should make things easier. Saved my butt so many times as Sentinel before I got the AR upgrade and could use the Mattock.
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This.

Who?
 

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He can but not until after Horizon.

Edit:

F8AL the Vanguard is one of the worst classes (as in the worst or 2nd worst) to do the game on if you do it on Hardcore or Insanity. Below that difficulty the game is a walk in the park so you can choose whoever, but the Soldier gets to use all weapons and gets one of the best unique skills, whereas the Vanguard is stuck to crappy close range weapons and gets, one of the coolest looking, but one of the worst unique skills.
 

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He can but not until after Horizon.

Edit:

F8AL the Vanguard is one of the worst classes (as in the worst or 2nd worst) to do the game on if you do it on Hardcore or Insanity. Below that difficulty the game is a walk in the park so you can choose whoever, but the Soldier gets to use all weapons and gets one of the best unique skills, whereas the Vanguard is stuck to crappy close range weapons and gets, one of the coolest looking, but one of the worst unique skills.
Well I don't plan on playing ME2 on those difficulties, normal is fine for me.

And I guess I'll pick Soldier for my next play through, thanks for the help!
 

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Sorry F8AL, I forgot about the no DLC thing, and since Kasumi and Zaeed just come with the PS3 version of ME3 with an included code, I keep forgetting they were DLC.

Speaking of Horizon, there should be a misison that becomes available after that should remind you of ME1 and stuff a good bit. Do it on the hardest difficulty (I think it's hardest) and you'll get a bonus gun.
 

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Sorry F8AL, I forgot about the no DLC thing, and since Kasumi and Zaeed just come with the PS3 version of ME3 with an included code, I keep forgetting they were DLC.

Speaking of Horizon, there should be a misison that becomes available after that should remind you of ME1 and stuff a good bit. Do it on the hardest difficulty (I think it's hardest) and you'll get a bonus gun.
Lucky PS3 owners...and what's the point of buying the comic thing on the XBLM for $15 if 360 owners can play ME1? I guess it's for lazy people?

And neat! I'll be sure to let you know what I think of it!

And I regret picking the Vanguard...too bad I can't change my class now...:(
 

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I'm kind of tempted to restart my game to change classes but I've already logged 12 hours into the game.... D:
 

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Don't you get the Geth Pulse Rifle for beating Haestrom aka Tali's Recruitment Mission on Hardcore/Insanity? I know for a fact I have before...
Oh yeah so you do, though that was incredibly vague F8AL will never know what mission you're talking about if even I never.

I'm kind of tempted to restart my game to change classes but I've already logged 12 hours into the game.... D:
Don't bother, on normal the enemies pretty much kill themselves so Vanguard is fine on it.
 

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Yeah, Pull+BAM!! tends to work out pretty well. And apparently Shockwave is pretty good anyway. Works wonders on zombies.

I'd go check some stuff myself, but apparently my TV/HDMI thing is being fidgety again and I'm going to have to do the typical "wait 1-3 days for it to fix itself and be fine for another month or so" bit to try it.
 

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singularity is the single best ability for zombies

it locks them in place and then kills them once they lose armor, and i'm doing this on hardcore

it straight up ***** them, so if you are going to go onto a mission where there are zombies, YOU MUST HAVE SINGULARITY AND A SHOTGUN, no kidding, makes your life 249832958035305842594205842594205 times easier
 

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Actually husks die instantly when their feet leave the ground, so pull or throw would be the better choice as it's faster, but Singularity is also fine.
 

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On Veteran or below Jack is the 2nd best for dealing with husks (Grunt is the best) due to her shockwave, but on Hardcore or Insanity they have armour which resists biotics, though I guess her warp ammo could help deal with that.
 

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yea, since they have armor, singularity is the way to go, it's the only way i survived getting my final team mate

it locks them in place and destroys their armor pretty quickly, but i also have heavy singularity, so it works a little faster, but i didn't know they died instantly when going in the air, that's news to me
 

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On Veteran or below Jack is the 2nd best for dealing with husks (Grunt is the best) due to her shockwave, but on Hardcore or Insanity they have armour which resists biotics, though I guess her warp ammo could help deal with that.
Yeah, I can see that. For what it's worth though, lately I've been going for like "Squad Warp Ammo" for my bonus power so I just activate that anyway and it helps a lot.
 

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I think it's safe to say that Mass Effect 2 isn't the most difficult game out there if you're playing anything below Insanity- enemies just get general buffs but that's about it. However, Insanity provides more than a measly achievement. It gives you a challenge that's fun, rewarding, and at times frustrating. Not as bad as Mass Effect 1 Insanity (BENEZIA) but I digress.

This tier lists each squadmate in terms of utility, power selection, power allocation, and weapon loadout. Sure, it's easy to say that you can go into each mission with anyone you want- it's an RPG after all- but screw that, we're here to gauge each companion's utility. Even though someone might think Garrus is the best because he's a bro or that Tali's viable because she's kawai uguu, if they're going into a Collector mission like that, they're screwed. So without further ado:

MASS EFFECT 2 COMPANION TIER LIST INSANITY VERSION

S TIER
Miranda Lawson- I'm going to get flack for this but here I go: Miranda is so goddamn essential to your team, more so than anyone else at your disposal. Her team-wide damage buff is often the difference between life or death and gives more aggressive playstyles enough room for error to make them viable. Warp and Overload lets her strip down every defense in the game and the allocation of Miranda's powers lets her max out Warp, Overload, and her passive ability. Nobody else in this game can claim such utility as Miranda. All in all, Miranda is easily in the top three of best characters in the game.

Kasumi Goto- While Miranda is essential, Kasumi is friggin' broken. Improved Flashbang Grenades and Rapid Shadow Strike are just too good and... that's about it. She also has Overload for situations you don't bring Miranda but for Pete's sake, when you have someone who probably thinks to herself, "Now how should I destroy the enemy squad this time? Hmm, decisions decisions", then you know you've got someone insanely powerful. Like, I'm going to stop right here just because everyone should already know how good... never mind I'll move on.

Zaeed Massani- Zaeed isn't as ridiculous as Miranda or Kasumi but the bottom line is that his potential weapon damage is the highest in the game. He has the best possible weapon loadout combined with fantastic power choices and unlike the admittedly frail Miranda/Kasumi, Zaeed excels on his own. He also has total coverage over the three protections like Miranda, although not nearly to as intense of an extent. And with that insane damage boost, you're not going to cap all three powers anyway. You can pretty much just give Zaeed a perch then let him go to town with little or no direction from Shepard. On missions such as Horizon, this is a godsend. While some may disagree with me, Zaeed's durability and unparalleled damage output make him the best pure combat squadmate in the game.

A TIER:

Thane Krios- Thane is literally a hair away from being as good as Zaeed but falls short for one reason; packing a sub machine gun over an assault rifle hurts more than you think. Not to mention that Thane only covers two out of the three protections unlike the above three (Kasumi technically counts because of... you know...). In addition, Thane has to consider where to put his points. If Warp was his first power, Thane would be as good as anyone in S Tier but he has to spend points in Throw, which is... okay, but not Warp. Heavy Throw has its uses but it doesn't let Thane have access to Unstable Warp. As a result, Thane has some questionable power allocation and the worst bonus power in the game, possibly worst power period. Although he gets a lot of points for having a stupidly huge damage increase and good protection coverage.

Grunt- Allow me to be a bit condescending toward those who apply; Grunt never dies and if he does then you did something very wrong. Of course, that only applies to after Grunt gets Improved Fortification. Fortification combined with his health regeneration and assault rifles make him a good combat squadmate. However, he has issues dealing with any foe that requires finesse and his crappy power allocation means he can't have Squad Incendiary Ammo and Improved Fortification. Even though he isn't in S Tier, he's still a go-to squadmate that many people have rightfully used.

Garrus Vakarian- Garrus is actually a good counterpart to Zaeed because all of them have total protection coverage but due to how the power allocation works out, they can only max two of their powers (In case you need a pointer, Disruptor Ammo/Inferno Grenade for Zaeed and Concussive Shot/Armor-Piercing Ammo for Garrus). The ammo powers can be exchanged freely and both work well under cover. However, the fact remains that Zaeed just flat-out out-damages Garrus. Like Miranda, Garrus is at his best while working with someone who compliments his abilities. If you want him on his own merits, there is literally no practical reason to choose him over Zaeed.

B TIER:

Mordin Solus- I like this guy more than every other boring as hell squadmate (And most of them are) but I'm going to say it anyway: Mordin is THE most situational character in the game, bar none. Sure, he has his uses early on for when Collectors are beating your arse in and Miranda/Shepard warp spam isn't enough. Fun fact, Cryo Blast actually does the second most damage against barriers other than Warp. Oh, right. Against krogan and vorcha, Mordin is Jackie Chan in a ladder/rope/table/chair factory with a baby in his hand, a love interest suspended above a shark tank, a recently deceased master, and a comedic black cop buddy. And he doesn't want any trouble. Incinerate takes away armor, stops regen, detonates flamethrower tanks, induces frenzies, turns water to wine, cures cancer, and tells you the meaning of life. Neural Shock is also good after a well-timed Incineration Blast. Seriously, on Blood Pack or unprotected enemy missions, Mordin is as good as the S-listers. However, if he isn't facing vorcha or krogan, he's helpless. He's a man of extremes and if he isn't up against foes he dominates against, he's more vulnerable than a particularly loose 16 year old sophomore student with daddy issues.

Tali'Zorah Vas Neema- Before she got the Geth Shotgun, I'd have put her under Legion. However, the new shotgun buffs Tali considerably and combined with the sheer utility of Attack Done and Area Drone, she was almost an A-lister. The big one holding her back is that Tali is super situational. When she does work, she's attacking with powers and not weapons- being further away and peppering enemies with Area Drain and drone support. However, if the opponents don't have shields, she's more or less there for the drone and the drone isn't worth an entire combat slot when they're more like a lesser Grunt anyway.

Samara- In terms of powers, Samara is what Thane should be if he were perfect. Samara gets Heavy Throw and Area Reave which, combined with her weapon loadout, compliments her biotics well. However, she's helpless against shields because she has no way of stripping them quickly. For classes with no good way to deal with barriers, Samara is... not the best choice, but a damn good one and easily justifiable. Is she the best at anything? Not really. Is she the worst at anything? Not really. Does she need to be either? Not really.

Legion- Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to you evidence number one of how power allocation can royally tear you a new one. If you want to spend all his points, you'll need to spend at least two in... AI Hacking? Why? It's goddamn worthless on Insanity because synthetic enemies are already so easy to take out with all the other more useful abilities. It's only good for three points because then you get access to drones, but then you can't max that out. Geth Shield Boost, however, is absolutely fantastic. As is the drone but due to horrible allocation, Legion can't get the best of both worlds. He's okay in terms of power but Tali is now much better, even with Legion's superior weapon loadout.

C TIER-

Jacob Taylor- I can imagine he's good at spilling drinks considering his screwed-up mouth is the most fascinating thing about him but in combat, Mr. Taylor is a middle man. He rarely flips situations in your favor but he's good at paving the way to victory. Incendiary Ammo can be squad-wide and Pull gives some good crowd control wen used with Unstable Warp. Jacob benefits Adepts the most but even then, there are several better options available.

Jack- If you haven't figured out what Jack is supposed to do in combat... okay, I won't be condescending this time but Jack can hide behind cover now due to Geth Shotgun like Tali but be closer to the frontline tossing out shockwaves that ravage unprotected foes. Warp Ammo is also fantastic with the squad upgrade and her exclusive biotic boost gives her Shockwave attacks 20% more damage than anyone else's. Remember those annoying Husks? No? Right, because Jack slapped their sh*t with Mordin dropping some mad beats. Horizon? These two will be dropping bombs on that place, ignoring that it already looks bombed. That said, Jack is really a one-trick pony and needs help to get the trick into place. After Husk's armor are gone, there's a metric ton of things you can do with other squadmates. Yeah, she's good for Husks, but she's not so good that you can't have Garrus Concussive Shot or... pick them off one by one.

Morinth- Morinth has some good aspects. A damn shame none of them compliment each other at all. Dominate is nice but defenses need to be gone first and she can't do that alone. She also has throw and pull but neither of those are fantastic by themselves. Every other squadmate has something that makes them functional by themselves but Morinth is the only one that NEEDS help from her squad. Some of you may be wondering why Morinth is down here while Samara is... slightly higher up. Well, Samara gets access to Reave. Need I say more?
 

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I went out of state to try to pre-order the collector addition and STILL can't do it....:(

Still hyped for this though.
 

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So I agree with everything you say except Legion being below Tali. Why? Read this description for the M-29 Incisor sniper rifle on its wiki page:

Squad members equipping this weapon are reported to be unusually accurate with it, more so than with other weapons. Squad member weapon damage reduction on higher difficulties also appears to be ignored by this weapon.
Slap on the game yourself and you'll see it's true. With Zaeed's damage buffs he does almost as much damage as Shepard.

Because of this glitch Legion is more useful than Tali, as he has a drone and Geth Shield Boost, and a deadly accurate and powerful sniper rifle.
 

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So I agree with everything you say except Legion being below Tali. Why? Read this description for the M-29 Incisor sniper rifle on its wiki page:



Slap on the game yourself and you'll see it's true. With Zaeed's damage buffs he does almost as much damage as Shepard.

Because of this glitch Legion is more useful than Tali, as he has a drone and Geth Shield Boost, and a deadly accurate and powerful sniper rifle.
Wow, that's pretty useful
 

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I went out of state to try to pre-order the collector addition and STILL can't do it....:(

Still hyped for this though.
I'm glad I pre-ordered the CE back in December. Hope my pre-order is safe.
 

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Yeah, I pre-ordered my Collector's Edition the day after Christmas, so I should be fine. So glad there's an Amazon.ca, since it has the stuff Amazon.com does, but it seems half of us Canadians still use Amazon.com.
 

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@ smashbot226: Thanks for the post! Very informative! :)

Guess I'll be rocking Miranda and Grunt now!

I thought Grunt was gonna kill me when I let him out. D:
 
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