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Shaya · May 29, 2009

takeurlife2 said:
do you mean anti-air jab or jab when you are both grounded?

Hit stun here applies to both takeurlife (aerial and ground).

What I haven't tested though, is if the 11%/6% thing applies universally, or is dependant on weight of the opponent. Which is probably HIGHLY likely.

So for the time being, say

@ 198% untippered jab-> db Works on Marth,
and @ 66% tippered jab -> db works on Marth.
Explaination:
Marth hits Marth with a tipper jab at 66%, it deals unPRECENDENTED DAMAGE (lol), 28 frames of hit stun.
Marth's Jab:
Hit: 4
End: 27
Hit Stun: 28
Advantage Formula: (4-27) + 28 + 1 (Hit stun applies from after hitlag, i.e. frame 5 of jab)
= +6 frame advantage.
2 Frames to dash and 4 frames for db1.

Oh, and of course take, DI matters.

takeurlife2 · May 29, 2009

Shaya said:
Hit stun here applies to both takeurlife (aerial and ground).

What I haven't tested though, is if the 11%/6% thing applies universally, or is dependant on weight of the opponent. Which is probably HIGHLY likely.

So for the time being, say

@ 198% untippered jab-> db Works on Marth,
and @ 66% tippered jab -> db works on Marth.
Explaination:
Marth hits Marth with a tipper jab at 66%, it deals unPRECENDENTED DAMAGE (lol), 28 frames of hit stun.
Marth's Jab:
Hit: 4
End: 27
Hit Stun: 28
Advantage Formula: (4-27) + 28 + 1 (Hit stun applies from after hitlag, i.e. frame 5 of jab)
= +6 frame advantage.
2 Frames to dash and 4 frames for db1.

Oh, and of course take, DI matters.

So what youre saying is, any attack that comes out in less than 4 frames and can be activated from dash? gotta add upB son, i loves leaving myself way open if i mess up ^,^

Yoshi Kirishima · May 29, 2009

Untippered jab -> first 2 hits of DB or upB (198%)

Tipper jab -> first 2 hits of DB or upB (66%)

Lol nice you actually added those?

Wait, so if you tipper jab, you don't have to worry about moving closer to Up B? It will hit?
And wouldn't this jab combo work on a bunch of other characters too?

TKD+ITA+Mar= · May 30, 2009

Are you sure you can fthrow -> fsmash Kirby without a stutter step?

Shaya · May 31, 2009

Jab would work to combo on a lot of characters, I'm just not certain of percents.

(As I'm not sure if hitstun applies universally).

takeurlife2 · May 31, 2009

TKD+ITA+Mar= said:
Are you sure you can fthrow -> fsmash Kirby without a stutter step?

I havent had the utilities to test SS and non SS fthrow to fsmash combos.

if someone wants to test a couple to tell me for a fact then ill add them

Lord Chair · Jun 16, 2009

Wasn't dthrow > fsmash a combo on G&W? 0%-like of course.

takeurlife2 · Jun 17, 2009

Lord Chair said:
Wasn't dthrow > fsmash a combo on G&W? 0%-like of course.

i give up, is it?

Lord Chair · Jun 19, 2009

takeurlife2 said:
i give up, is it?

Well, it works on CPUs. So unless they're just being gay, I'd say it is.

Yay CPUs X_X

Remzi · Jun 20, 2009

Fthrow > Fsmash on Olimar requires a stutter step

KillL0ck · Jun 29, 2009

There's a combo on Snake I've been doing lately which consists of Forward Throw>Dancing Blade(Up)>Wait for Dodge, Fair> Fair>Forward Smash/Dancing Blade(0%-Not sure?). I'm not 100% positive, but I'm sure the damage output gives you enough room to fit in the second Fair before Snake hit's the ground to shield(Or powershield), something I can't exactly test frame data-wise(Shaya???). They can obviously jump out of it instead of dodging, but Snake main's have a bad habit of overusing the dodge.

Only tested on a level 9 computer, seriously, lol.

Just want to make sure that after they dodge they won't be able to shield it.

Player-3 · Jun 29, 2009

KillL0ck said:
There's a combo on Snake I've been doing lately which consists of Forward Throw>Dancing Blade(Up)>Wait for Dodge, Fair> Fair>Forward Smash/Dancing Blade(0%-Not sure?). I'm not 100% positive, but I'm sure the damage output gives you enough room to fit in the second Fair before Snake hit's the ground to shield(Or powershield), something I can't exactly test frame data-wise(Shaya???). They can obviously jump out of it instead of dodging, but Snake main's have a bad habit of overusing the dodge.

Only tested on a level 9 computer, seriously, lol.

Just want to make sure that after they dodge they won't be able to shield it.

how is that a combo

it will most likely happen since snakes like to do that

but... they can still jump

takeurlife2 · Jun 29, 2009

KillL0ck said:
There's a combo on Snake I've been doing lately which consists of Forward Throw>Dancing Blade(Up)>Wait for Dodge, Fair> Fair>Forward Smash/Dancing Blade(0%-Not sure?). I'm not 100% positive, but I'm sure the damage output gives you enough room to fit in the second Fair before Snake hit's the ground to shield(Or powershield), something I can't exactly test frame data-wise(Shaya???). They can obviously jump out of it instead of dodging, but Snake main's have a bad habit of overusing the dodge.

Only tested on a level 9 computer, seriously, lol.

Just want to make sure that after they dodge they won't be able to shield it.

sounds like a cool stream, but it is by no means a combo.

∫unk · Jun 29, 2009

f-throw x3 u-smash doesn't work on d3 gets powershielded.

if they aren't holding shield for whatever reason it'll work

you should list combos that work with "normal" reactions which is to hit the shield/airdodge button.... like f-throw n-air jab grab or something.

like maybe a seperate list underneath that talks about not guaranteed but pretty safe combos (as in screwing up wont get you punished they're just trying to escape)

KillL0ck · Jun 29, 2009

takeurlife2 said:
sounds like a cool stream, but it is by no means a combo.

I know it's not a true combo, but it seems legit(On less experienced Snake's at least). Like how the Forward Throw>Nair>Forward Smash on MK works if they don't DI right. Maybe have a list for "Fake/Stream/Situational" combo's? LOL.

I'll have to give it a few test's on my buddy Superboom, who I consider one of the best Snake's out there hands down.

Thought I'd throw it out there at the very least, considering Snake is a pretty hard matchup.

feardragon64 · Jun 29, 2009

KillL0ck said:
I know it's not a true combo, but it seems legit(On less experienced Snake's at least). Like how the Forward Throw>Nair>Forward Smash on MK works if they don't DI right. Maybe have a list for "Fake/Stream/Situational" combo's? LOL.

I'll have to give it a few test's on my buddy Superboom, who I consider one of the best Snake's out there hands down.

Thought I'd throw it out there at the very least, considering Snake is a pretty hard matchup.

That's all fine and good but you might want to reread the title.

takeurlife2 · Jun 29, 2009

JunkInTheTrunk said:
f-throw x3 u-smash doesn't work on d3 gets powershielded.

if they aren't holding shield for whatever reason it'll work

you should list combos that work with "normal" reactions which is to hit the shield/airdodge button.... like f-throw n-air jab grab or something.

like maybe a seperate list underneath that talks about not guaranteed but pretty safe combos (as in screwing up wont get you punished they're just trying to escape)

sounds logical. when i get a day off work ill look into that.

SiShenDao · Jul 1, 2009

I'm not sure at all if this is a viable combo since I have no friends that can di test this with me but...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzrLeXgJiqU
This video shows these working
1st hit Nair -> Jab
1st hit Nair -> Up-b
1st hit Nair -> Dancing Blade
1st hit Nair -> D-Tilt
1st hit Nair -> U-Tilt(this one REALLY surprised me)
I thought of using these due to the first hit's poor knockback and how fast nair cancels inbetween hits. In fact most of these work at a high percentage. If someone wants to test this on other characters and with actual DI that would be great.
P.S. while enemies probably won't stand there waiting for the nair to come out, the timing for a single hit nair is perfect when you sh fair nair. which I show in the second part of the vid though it won't be a true combo.

takeurlife2 · Jul 1, 2009

SiShenDao said:
I'm not sure at all if this is a viable combo since I have no friends that can di test this with me but...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzrLeXgJiqU
This video shows these working
1st hit Nair -> Jab
1st hit Nair -> Up-b
1st hit Nair -> Dancing Blade
1st hit Nair -> D-Tilt
1st hit Nair -> U-Tilt(this one REALLY surprised me)
I thought of using these due to the first hit's poor knockback and how fast nair cancels inbetween hits. In fact most of these work at a high percentage. If someone wants to test this on other characters and with actual DI that would be great.
P.S. while enemies probably won't stand there waiting for the nair to come out, the timing for a single hit nair is perfect when you sh fair nair. which I show in the second part of the vid though it won't be a true combo.

Ya first hit of nair pretty much combos into anything at any percent

is that a roflcopter?

Tari · Jul 1, 2009

Thus is part of the beauty of nair.

SiShenDao.. when I saw your avatar, my first thought was that you were EL..

SiShenDao · Jul 1, 2009

There I changed my avatar >.>
and yes it is a roflcopter
I'm really just curious if Nair->dancing can be considered a true combo, since if executed correctly it can't be shielded.

Tennet · Jul 1, 2009

Tari said:
Thus is part of the beauty of nair.

SiShenDao.. when I saw your avatar, my first thought was that you were EL..

I did the same thing lol

ninjablah · Jul 9, 2009

thx alot now ill be able to put some damage on my brothers beast falco and other characters

OmegaXF · Jul 10, 2009

Do not forget that on a large majority of the cast you can U-Air into a N-Air at low %'s.

takeurlife2 · Jul 10, 2009

added universal combos section.

OmegaXF · Jul 11, 2009

I guess I did something then...It's works on the entire cast? Something I'll definitely look into...

xxmoosexx · Jul 11, 2009

Kind of spinning off of the above suggested first hit nair combo's, at low percents fair to first hit nair to grab, jab, filt.....etc

ninjablah · Jul 13, 2009

nice post and why the awwwww at TL hes my main

mventre · Jul 13, 2009

thank you for this thread ..this is exactly what i was looking for

Tophes · Jul 13, 2009

I've tried this and from what I see, there are some more characters in the cast where the f-throw -> f-smash at 0~3% has to be stutter-stepped. The following characters that I've tested this on shows it:

Kirby
Samus
Zero-Suit Samus
Mr. Game & Watch
Zelda
Snake
Peach
Lucario
Ness
R.O.B.
Olimar
Jigglypuff

I'm just claiming that if you want the f-throw -> f-smash to connect on these characters, a stutter-step is required. I'm not sure that this is a legitimate combo yet.

/~Dogma~\ · Jul 20, 2009

on woofy
1 or 3 fthrows to dair

OmegaXF · Aug 5, 2009

On Nana she countinues to DI Towrds Popo which I'm going to assume will be behind you so it's possible to list combos that wouldn't regularly work on humans right?

2001 · Aug 8, 2009

How does metaknight get out of the Dthrow Fsmash combo? Ive never actually checked this topic till now.

SiShenDao · Aug 12, 2009

on bowser
nair -> grab
not sure about percent, or if it only works on bowser... or how high the nair has to be

KillL0ck · Sep 21, 2009

I've been testing the grab release on MK, though I'm not sure it's official with lack of any type of program that let's me do things frame by frame, but I'm just wondering if anyone has looked into Grab Release>Walk>Downsmash tipper, I can pull it off on CPU's regularly, and I just had my brother help me test it with positive results(On both Dodge>buffer shield and just holding Shield), however jumping can avoid this(Though if you read this, you can get an easy follow up upsmash? /Fair/up-air).

Can anyone pull out some concrete data on this plz?

p.s: find it helps when you hold the Joystick about halfway while holding them, then when you actually let go push it the rest of the way to ensure the fastest walk possible. Also I can seem to pull it off with F-smash(Tipper), though much harder.

OhMySailboat · Sep 21, 2009

Uh, the Uair>Utilt is a SHFF Uair right? I'm pretty sure after the Utilt you can Nair.

feardragon64 · Sep 21, 2009

KillL0ck: Dsmash doesn't hit nearly high enough for it to really work. The CPU is just not jumping out of it.

OhMySailboat: yes and don't know but I'd imagine they'd be too high.

OhMySailboat · Sep 21, 2009

Well, idk. Test it sometime. I can't because my wii wont read brawl -_-

I know Wolf can kinda do the same exact combo as well.

KillL0ck · Sep 21, 2009

feardragon64 said:
KillL0ck: Dsmash doesn't hit nearly high enough for it to really work. The CPU is just not jumping out of it.

OhMySailboat: yes and don't know but I'd imagine they'd be too high.

I realize this, I mentioned it in my post. What I'm asking is if they don't jump is it considered legit?

Remzi · Nov 14, 2009

Haven't tested this on other characters, but on bowser at least we have a guaranteed 30% combo:

Untippered Nair>Grab>Fthrow>Fsmash

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