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Which characters are the best to counter Marth?
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falco does not have to spam lasersi think falco does best against him because all you have to do is shl spam.... and piller the hell out of him...
LOL hahafalco does not have to spam lasers
i disagree with just about everything u said. First of all, dont u need good mindgames and unpredictability to beat ANY good player? With the falcon thing, it is very hard to get those moves off unless u fall for his mind games. basically, what im trying to tell you is where they are going to try to pressure you and help you see through it. also, fox has a horrible time trying to shine spike you. any good falco does better than a good fox vs marth. next time u go to a big tournament, play fox and try to shine spike a descent marth. u will get faired the moment u get near them. marth is easily one of the HARDEST characters to shine spike because every one of him moves has a disjoined hitbox. foxes wont even do it because they know it is one of the riskiest things to do vs marth. if they get hit, they give marth a free edgeguard which everyone knows is the worst place to be vs a marth.Sveet, this is true what you and all, but in order to beat a GOOD/EXCELLENT sheik, you've got to have mad mindgames and be very unpredictable. Sheik sets up marth in soo many combos that her name should just say "marth counter" bc she is one easily. falcon your completely right, he is not much of a threat unless he gets a grab/>b/nair on you and starts a combo, but isn't that like every other character? but out of the space animals i'd easily have to say fox is more of a favorable/soft counter pick against marth more than falco just bc shine spikes **** marth. marth is probably top 5 easiest to shine spike off of the edge because his recovery pattern is one path basically and fox players abuse that, and the fact he has his falling uair/usmashes etc.
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Foxes have problems with marth players? lol i need to get F&F in here and let you know that falco has a much harder time with marth than fox does. Look at KDJ and Ken. Ken is well known for being able to dominate foxes with his playing style but hasn't he been beat the past 2 or 3 mlgs by KDJ's fox/sheik? Ken is still and will be the best guy in smash and you say that fox and sheik aren't favorable or a counter? You go to a big tourney with pros like them and realize that anyone above marth on the tier list is counted as favorable/counterHave you ever seen the japanese play? go watch some vids of thunder(koto) vs Masashi(tama) and watch how masashi gets shinespiked plenty of times and its done so easily when you put pressure on the marth while he's near or off of the edge.i disagree with just about everything u said. First of all, dont u need good mindgames and unpredictability to beat ANY good player? With the falcon thing, it is very hard to get those moves off unless u fall for his mind games. basically, what im trying to tell you is where they are going to try to pressure you and help you see through it. also, fox has a horrible time trying to shine spike you. any good falco does better than a good fox vs marth. next time u go to a big tournament, play fox and try to shine spike a descent marth. u will get faired the moment u get near them. marth is easily one of the HARDEST characters to shine spike because every one of him moves has a disjoined hitbox. foxes wont even do it because they know it is one of the riskiest things to do vs marth. if they get hit, they give marth a free edgeguard which everyone knows is the worst place to be vs a marth.
F&F is one of my old friends :D we used to go to school together. i dunno what he will say, but i still say marth has a horrible time with falco.Foxes have problems with marth players? lol i need to get F&F in here and let you know that falco has a much harder time with marth than fox does.
<3F lol i need to get F&F in here and let you know that falco has a much harder time with marth than fox does.
<3F&F is one of my old friends :D we used to go to school together.
Nah. I understand what you mean though. I used to think Ganon had a good time holding his own, but, IF the Marth player knows what he's doing, he'll be gay and outspace everything hit Ganon tries to land."u listed ganon as a char that gets ***** by marth, but that is not true. at one point he was considered even with marth due to range and advantage when exchanging blows. i dont agree with whoever said that (i think it was in a guide for ganon or marth), but i do think a good ganon (maybe... uhh... eddie??) can still do pretty well against marth.
LOL, haha. I never said I was NJ'zFinest smash bros melee player >.>(how do u have that name? isnt there better players in NJ??? (no offence(plz dont kill me)))
I've been really busy with school work and college stuff >.> I come on like...once a week, but it'll change soon.btw, why are u never on the hub anymore!?!?!? and did u get a wii??
same thing we said like 10 posts ago basically. although, it isnt that marth doesnt have an "incredible advantage" that marth players arent used to losing, but marth does get disadvantaged. Marth's main weakness is the lagtime after his moves. look at his fsmash. u have like an HOUR before u recover from that attack. anyone who is descent will just bait the fsmash and punish u to hell. that is why marth has a hard time with some of the faster characters.marth has no real counters, period.
sheik does well against marth, about as well as fox or falco. these matchups aren't "counters" though, they just happen to be the only matchups that marth isn't at an incredible advantage. marth players aren't used to that.
they're right. sword slashes right through pills and marth outranges doc so bad."No way, Marth is a Doc counter."
agreed. people misuse the word counter alot when talking about smash. advantages are what most characters have against each other.I also think Marth doesn't have any real "counters"................a very smart/technical Marth is just as deadly as a smart/technical Fox, Falco, or Sheik. In my opinion a really good Sheik does have a slight advantage against Marth.............you've got to really play your smartest/best to beat Sheik as Marth.
Agreed on basically all aspects. All of the characters that typically play favorably against Marth are faster characters (running, jumping). And because of Marth's lag on some moves, a good player can capitalize and pull of a great combo and possibly get you off the edge and kill you. But good players like Ken and Azen can predict very well what a faster player will do to take advantage. By doing this, they almost completely take away the speed advantage (not to mention the mind games that go with it).same thing we said like 10 posts ago basically. although, it isnt that marth doesnt have an "incredible advantage" that marth players arent used to losing, but marth does get disadvantaged. Marth's main weakness is the lagtime after his moves. look at his fsmash. u have like an HOUR before u recover from that attack. anyone who is descent will just bait the fsmash and punish u to hell. that is why marth has a hard time with some of the faster characters.
in the end though, i think that his priority and comboability, in the hands of someone who can read the opponent, is completely unstopable. I believe this is why Ken and Azen have been on the top so much, because of their great prediction skills.
this is also one of my main reasons for having falco being the best char to beat marth. His lasers out prioritize marth's sword, which takes away his ability to stay on the offensive, forcing the marth to attack at a disadvantage or go defensive. Falco has EXCELENT anti-defensive tactics (pillaring shields anyone?) and even better combos once he gets that shine off. Honestly i think falco has better (and more damaging) combos than marth has on him, and the only real advantage that marth has is edgeguarding, but it is very hard to get that falco off the edge and into a favorable position.
you could just choose not to use those laggy moves. Marth beats characters by sword and dash camping until he can grab, generally. Characters that can shoot things the sword can't stop (fox/falco/sheik) need to be dealt with differently. For sheik, you sword camp less, and dash camp more, and avoid needles. For falco and fox, you grab them and they die anyway, so just wait for them to land next to you or something and grab. Luckily for marth, MLG banned all the stages he sucks at, and doesn't let you ban neutral from a set, aka all the stages marth is good at. Marth can't be chaingrabbed or death combo'd, which sheik fox and falco all suffer from. Marth can grab at least sheik and fox out of every attack they have except sheik's chain, which isn't getting used anyway. I'm not sure about falco.Agreed on basically all aspects. All of the characters that typically play favorably against Marth are faster characters (running, jumping). And because of Marth's lag on some moves, a good player can capitalize and pull of a great combo and possibly get you off the edge and kill you.
for fox and falco l cansel shine marth cant grab and when you sheild dope ***** it and breaks it but thats only an exeptional falcoMarth can grab at least sheik and fox out of every attack they have except sheik's chain, which isn't getting used anyway. I'm not sure about falco.
That's why I said some, although I have never seen a good match where Marth has never used a somewhat laggy move (granted they are situational and are used with good judgment).you could just choose not to use those laggy moves.
i disagree. If Marth is such a godlike character that there are only 2 characters that go EVEN with him, and he beats everyone else, then why is he not in the top tier?Marth has no bad matches, only even ones (sheik, himself, maybe falco) and good ones (the other 23 characters)