Mario Moveset Discussion. Current: None!

[HeroMystic]

I really should use F-tilt more...

Good move to use after a fireball approach. It's quick and can even be used as an OOS option. It has a nice amount of (disjointed) range too. You can also angle it for better use as well. Nice plus.

The only problem with it is the ending lag kinda kills the usefulness as a spacing move. B-air pretty much beats it in every category except for the OOS option.

 

[Kanzaki]

Whenever I'm camping with fireballs, and my opponents gets too close, I use a ftilt, gets them away from me, and keeps my dsmash/fsmash fresh ^^

 

[hippiedude92]

What I like about ftilt is that it has some IASA frames. nice poke, spacer and replace ment for fsmash at times

 

[Judge Judy]

Ftilt

Pros:

+Comes out fast

+Has IASA frames

+Good priority

+"Wave slide" is a nice option out of Ftilt

Cons:

-Weak knockback

-Not great range

 

[hippiedude92]

isnt fast and iasa frames like same thing? lol.

 

[Judge Judy]

isnt fast and iasa frames like same thing? lol.

I should of said comes out fast, IASA frames are frames of which an atk can be canceled into another move.

 

[HeroMystic]

btw, about B-air: I'd like to say that B-air has a lingering hitbox, which is why it's such a good spacer.

 

[J-Prep]

i love ftilt! i remember i tried to get the timeing down so i could shield and slide backwards, assuming it'd space for a perfect fsmsash...but thats just do hard to do in the heat of the moment =c

anywho, ftilt has nice spacing, and it keeps people on their toes if constantly rushing u. at low percents i wouldnt really reccomend it, but if there high %, its a great way to get them off the stage.

3 stars out of 5

 

[Matt07]

I love doing n-air into f-tilt combo, so nice.

 

[hippiedude92]

bumped. needs to get some summary up and moving on naos!

 

[Matt07]

Forward Tilt

Pros:
+Has IASA frames.
+Good priority.
+"Wave slide" is a nice option out of Ftilt.
+F-tilt can semi lock.
+A good move to use for spacing.
+Can follow a lot of aerials into f-tilt
+Can angle it for better reach.
+Can be used for an out of shield option.
+Replaces uses for smashes sometimes, so it keeps them 'fresh'.
+Good shield poker.


Cons:
-Weak knockback.
-Not great range.

If I missed anything let me know (other then the Bolded underline thingy I type, after every summary except this one :D.)

 

[SkylerOcon]

Changed to forward air. After this will be neutral air.

Fair over the stage to jab lock is pretty good, assuming you can hit your opponent.

 

[Judge Judy]

Fair

Pros:

+Decent meteor

+Decent for setting up a jab lock

+Decent hitbox size; it's actually pretty big, just not huge

Cons:

-Slow and laggy

 

[Mario_ 101]

f air imo is a gud kill move if u can mindgame ur foes into getting killed by it. it also combos fairly well but its obvious weakness is lotsa lag all-round. also u can use f air under a platform to send ur foes flying so u can edgeguard.

 

[A2ZOMG]

F-air is situational, but powerful. It does good damage, which is nice. It's also a meteor, which is nice.

If you land the meteor on stage, it's actually a good "combo" setup because of the hitstun on it. Fullhop F-air finishes up in the air soon enough for you to U-air or N-air before hitting the ground. Fullhop F-air also autocancels on BF platforms.

Then of course, if you land this on an enemy offstage, they probably are dead.

It comes out kinda slow, and doesn't have particularly good range, so you need mindgames to land it.

 

[Judge Judy]

It comes out kinda slow, and doesn't have particularly good range, so you need mindgames to land it.

Or just really good setups.

 

[hippiedude92]

Upair binds to Fair spikes finishers are just too classic. Fair just has about abit more horizontal knockback than Bair when it's fresh. Nonetheless, it's laggy and it's slow.

 

[Matt07]

I remember doing a short hop, f-air spike, then they bounce back up, and I do another f-air spike for a K.O. Although the chances are super slim, it's friggen sweet to pull off.

 

[SkylerOcon]

Alright. We've pretty much covered this one. If Matt would kindly do his thing and make a pro/con list we can move on.

By the way, Matt is awesome for helping out like this.

 

[Kidlat]

I have a love-hate relationship with this move. It's good because of Uair Blinds to Spikes but I hate it because I can't have any real pressure in front of me. I always have to have my back turned to fight with bair.

 

[Matt07]

By the way, Matt is awesome for helping out like this.

Heh, thanks Skyler. Only take's about 5 minutes of my time, just have to sort through the pro's and cons. Anyone else noticed the 'lack' of discussion these past few moves? .

F-air

Pros:
+You can spike your opponent, setting them up for a Jab Lock, or other "combo's" if they don't tech the spike.
+Decent meteor.
+Decent hitbox size; it's actually pretty big, just not huge. okay hitbox.
+Can use f-air under a platform to send opponents outwards, giving you a chance to edgeguard.
+F-air autoncancels on Platforms.
+Spiked F-air hit stun can lead too combo's.
+Full hoped F-air finished up in the air letting you use a u-air, or n-air before hitting the ground.
+You can u-air "blind" to f-air spike combo. Works well on large characters. (Donkey Kong anyone?)

Cons
-Slow and laggy.
-It's a weak meteor.
-Hard to contest against other attacks.

If I missed anything let me know.

 

[HeroMystic]

More cons:

-It's weak for a meteor.
-Hard to contest against other attacks.

 

[fromundaman]

Not *that* weak if sweetspotted... I dunno... I consider weak meteors to be things like Kirby's Dair.

Then of course, if you land this on an enemy offstage, they probably are dead.

Unless they're MFin' ROB!


Also, I generally use this when the enemy is hanging on the ledge. Fireball, the follow it with a SH Fair to limit their options. It almost always causes a roll (or they just drop down which just kind of restarts the scenario). Since cape and Dair can also be useful in this same situation, it keeps them guessing, and it's not all that unlikely to get a spike out of this if they misread you and try to jump. Seems to work well for me anyway.

 

[Matt07]

Bump, the conclusion for the move is like 2 posts above mine.

 

[SkylerOcon]

Changed to Nair.

I'm so lazy.

 

[Matt07]

N-air;

Pros
+It has good priority
+Good out of shield move
+Good for a horizontal K.O move
+Long Lasting Hitbox

Cons
-Okay for K.O'ing.
-Looses strength and knockback in later frames.

 

[BoTastic!]

nair doesn't have good range =/ I'd say its weakness is it looses it's strength and and knockback in later frames. A Pro will be its long lasting hitbox.

 

[Matt07]

Oh thank you, that's why I put the (?) beside good range, because I wasn't sure. Updated the list.

 

[Kidlat]

A shame since it was downgraded from melee.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Yeah, Mario's N-air was better in Melee. It did a lot more damage and had better knockback.

But anyhow, it's still a very good attack in Brawl.

+ Comes out super fast
+ Good out of shield
+ Good priority
+ Good lingering hitbox
+ Hits people off pretty horizontally. Very good attack for edgeguards and Jab lock setups.
+ SH D-air -> N-air for shield pressure
- Low range
- Isn't a kill move forever

 

[Matador]

nair doesn't have good range =/ I'd say its weakness is it looses it's strength and and knockback in later frames. A Pro will be its long lasting hitbox.

If u SHFF the Nair and it hits on the later frames, I think it combos into jab. It also sets up jab locks.

 

[hippiedude92]

Nair is so perfect to get out of juggles, CGs, instant first few frames has the " strong " hitbox, and later frames has the " weak " hitbox, basically long lasting hitbox. perfect for stringing stuff and sometimes killing.
but his phails compares to luigi :O!!!

 

[BoTastic!]

Nair is so perfect to get out of juggles, CGs, instant first few frames has the " strong " hitbox, and later frames has the " weak " hitbox, basically long lasting hitbox. perfect for stringing stuff and sometimes killing.
but his phails compares to luigi :O!!!

Yea I wish Mario had Luigi's Nair p_q

 

[hippiedude92]

At least be glad Mario has slightly better range on his Nair than Luigi :/ * lulz wtfux, mario has almost generally better range than mario, and luigi is just taller than him lmao * Mario's front foot sticks out abit more then luigi's. From my eyes that's is :/

 

[HeroMystic]

Mario's body tends to get bigger when he throws out attacks it seems. That's what I've seem to notice. Luigi's body doesn't get bigger.

That's my logical explanation. >_>

 

[Judge Judy]

Nair

Pros:

+Comes out fast

+Decent sex kick

+Lagless

+Good priority

Cons:

-Weak knockback; not really all that weak but still hard to use as kill move

-Not great reach

 

[hippiedude92]

Mario's body tends to get bigger when he throws out attacks it seems. That's what I've seem to notice. Luigi's body doesn't get bigger.

That's my logical explanation. >_>

Oh so it seems ~.~. Sakurai wanted to make Mario grow in size ggs. x.x;

 

[Geou]

I find N-Air really useful when opponents try to run at me for a grab/pivot grab, or if they try to roll behind me. It gets them every time, and if you miss, you can still double jump and retreat/try another aerial.

 

[Judge Judy]

Nair goes through Din's Fire and Zamus's Up B lol.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Not just that, it beats Olimar's U-smash.