Mario Moveset Discussion. Current: None!

[iMichael]

Nair is full of ****....

 

[hippiedude92]

It also beat's out Snake's upsmash. Wow Nair's is next to broken.

 

[BoTastic!]

Hmm maybe I should use Nair more.

 

[SkylerOcon]

I think we've been underestimating Nair even more than Ftilt.

 

[vato_break]

I noticed Bo that you sometimes use nair and DI backwards even though the hitbox is in front of mario. why do you do this?,it kinda leaves you open.

 

[HeroMystic]

I think we've been underestimating Nair even more than Ftilt.

I told you peeps that already. XD

 

[Judge Judy]

I noticed Bo that you sometimes use nair and DI backwards even though the hitbox is in front of mario. why do you do this?,it kinda leaves you open.

Craq walk works well with Nair, retreating Nairs are just too smexy.

 

[vato_break]

Though i saw Bo RAR nair ....

 

[Judge Judy]

Though i saw Bo RAR nair ....

Oh, IDK, mindgamez?

 

[vato_break]

Oh, IDK, mindgamez?

LOL maybe but, plassing isn't so common in brawl.

 

[BoTastic!]

I noticed Bo that you sometimes use nair and DI backwards even though the hitbox is in front of mario. why do you do this?,it kinda leaves you open.

I don't even know what you are talking about.

 

[hippiedude92]

I noticed Bo that you sometimes use nair and DI backwards even though the hitbox is in front of mario. why do you do this?,it kinda leaves you open.

Even heard of spacing ?

 

[Famous]

Nair goes through almost every move in the game. Works wonder for Marth's UpB

 

[HeroMystic]

It... goes through Dolphin Slash? o.O

 

[Matt07]

It... goes through Dolphin Slash? o.O

It goes through Mario's down tilt too...like there's amazing priority on N-air, I know, but d tilt is still better.

 

[vato_break]

Nevermind guys i think he was trying to do a bair but, did a nair on accident.

 

[A2ZOMG]

N-air doesn't go through Dolphin Slash, BUT, you can punish DS with it because of the lingering hitbox if you space it right. It can get some pretty nice gimps on Marth.

 

[Judge Judy]

Nair is too fun on the spacies' recoveries.

 

[Matador]

Watch first stock. Nair pwns Diddy's upB.

DO EET!

 

[Matt07]

Rofl Matador. First stock n-air, wrecks recovery. Second stock Fireball wrecks recovery. Last but most funny, you using FLUUD to recovery but it also causes the Diddy to mess up his recovery, and get legeguarded.

 

[Matador]

Rofl Matador. First stock n-air, wrecks recovery. Second stock Fireball wrecks recovery. Last but most funny, you using FLUUD to recovery but it also causes the Diddy to mess up his recovery, and get legeguarded.

Too bad that Diddy is broke now. I don't think I'll ever 2-stock him again.

 

[Judge Judy]

Too bad that Diddy is broke now. I don't think I'll ever 2-stock him again.

And yet Mario will always be able to break even with him because of the cape...

 

[hippiedude92]

Uhmmms I think we've gotten enough info on Nair. *Whips Matt *nohomo* * summary pl0x.

 

[Matador]

And yet Mario will always be able to break even with him because of the cape...

Zomg...someone else agrees. Chimp can't kill XD

 

[bobson]

Projectiles nair outprioritizes:

Mario: Fireball
Luigi: Fireball
Peach: Regular turnips (not stitch), beam sword, Mr. Saturn
Bowser: Fire breath
Diddy Kong: Peanuts
Wario: Wheels
Link: Arrows, boomerang
Zelda: Din's Fire
Toon Link: Arrows, boomerang
Samus: Super missiles, homing missiles, uncharged charge shot, bombs
Pit: Arrows (!)
Ice Climbers: Ice blocks
ROB: Gyro? (it seems to trade hits with it)
King Dedede: Waddle Dees/Doos, Waddle Doo lightning
Olimar: Pikmin
Pikachu: Stage electroshock, ball electroshock
Ivysaur: Razor leaf
Charizard: Flamethrower, rock smash fragments
Lucario: Force palm, 0% fully-charged aura sphere (higher percents will break it)
Ness: PK thunder (as if it wasn't already easy enough to gimp the poor little guy)
Lucas: PK thunder
Mr. Game & Watch: Chef
Snake: Nikita missile (but everything does)

Also, green shells, deku nuts, star rod shots, ray gun shots, and cracker launcher shots, but of course only scrubs use items so you won't need to know that. Anything else can be caped.

 

[Judge Judy]

^Sounds like it just outprioritizes everything the FLUDD does, nice list though.

 

[Matt07]

Uhmmms I think we've gotten enough info on Nair. *Whips Matt *nohomo* * summary pl0x.

Lol I'm hippie's *****, true fact.

I used information out of this thread too come up with the summary, credit goes to the original posters.

Neutral Air

Pros
+It has good priority.
+Good out of shield move.
+Good for a horizontal Knockback.
+Long Lasting Hitbox.
+Very good attack for edgeguards and Jab lock setups.
+Comes out Fast.
+Good Priority.
+SH D-air -> N-air for shield pressure.
+Nair is so perfect to get out of juggles, chain grabs.
+Lagless.

Cons
-Okay for K.O'ing.
-Looses strength and knockback in later frames.
-Low range.
-Isn't a kill move forever.

SPECIAL THANKS TO BOBSON FOR THIS LIST

Projectiles nair outprioritizes:

Mario: Fireball
Luigi: Fireball
Peach: Regular turnips (not stitch), beam sword, Mr. Saturn
Bowser: Fire breath
Diddy Kong: Peanuts
Wario: Wheels
Link: Arrows, boomerang
Zelda: Din's Fire
Toon Link: Arrows, boomerang
Samus: Super missiles, homing missiles, uncharged charge shot, bombs
Pit: Arrows (!)
Ice Climbers: Ice blocks
ROB: Gyro? (it seems to trade hits with it)
King Dedede: Waddle Dees/Doos, Waddle Doo lightning
Olimar: Pikmin
Pikachu: Stage electroshock, ball electroshock
Ivysaur: Razor leaf
Charizard: Flamethrower, rock smash fragments
Lucario: Force palm, 0% fully-charged aura sphere (higher percents will break it)
Ness: PK thunder (as if it wasn't already easy enough to gimp the poor little guy)
Lucas: PK thunder
Mr. Game & Watch: Chef
Snake: Nikita missile (but everything does)

Also, green shells, deku nuts, star rod shots, ray gun shots, and cracker launcher shots, but of course only scrubs use items so you won't need to know that. Anything else can be caped.

 

[hippiedude92]

Wow, I forgot it cuts through Din's Fire. Mad sexy for Nair <3333. Nair should be some bruce lee **** lmfao.

 

[HeroMystic]

Wow... N-air is sexier than I thought.

 

[J-Prep]

mario is just pwnage, why cant we accept it yet?

 

[vato_break]

mario is just pwnage, why cant we accept it yet?

its november now XD

 

[SkylerOcon]

Changed to Usmash.

Reliable killer at 120%, I *think* you can lock people with usmashes at low percents, and hyphen usmashing is helpful.

 

[vato_break]

it spikes.

 

[HeroMystic]

I don't think it has a lock. But it can combo at low percents.

There's also DAC U-Smash that allows you to charge it up.

 

[Judge Judy]

Usmash

Pros:

+Decent KO power

+Decent speed

+Decent OOS option

+Farily large hitbox

+Like all Usmashes, it can be used directly out of dashes and can DAC; more neutral than a plus but whatever

Cons:

-Needs to stay unstaled to retain decent KO power


Usmash is good for all practical purposes but it's pretty much a "nothing special" smash as far as Usmashes go.

 

[BoTastic!]

Usmash has decent Priority as well. If you wanna kill with it you shouldn't use it at all the entire match. IF you want to use it in between combos.. Then don't depend on it to kill.

Its hitbox is deceiving when turned around and can even hit opponents on ledges.

 

[Geou]

When the opponent is over 100%, one thing I try to do is keep in mind when each character dies from U-Smash, and refrain from using it until then. For example, if I'm facing Mario, Luigi, or Marth, I won't use it until they're 126%. If they Dedede, then I'll wait to 150%. Etc.

BTW I don't know any of the exact killing percentages except 126% for Mario. I just try to guesstimate from there based on the characters' weight and falling speed.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Marth should die from U-smash at like 110%. Just saying. He's lighter than Peach.

 

[Matt07]

Up smash, has good 'attack frames', when it cancels out Fireballs, and other small projectiles. Or does it clash with every projectile/move?

 

[BoTastic!]

When the opponent is over 100%, one thing I try to do is keep in mind when each character dies from U-Smash, and refrain from using it until then. For example, if I'm facing Mario, Luigi, or Marth, I won't use it until they're 126%. If they Dedede, then I'll wait to 150%. Etc.

BTW I don't know any of the exact killing percentages except 126% for Mario. I just try to guesstimate from there based on the characters' weight and falling speed.

lol no need to wait that long. You can kill DDD at the edge of the stage with a Fsmash around 135% I only use Usmash to kill light, floaty, too quick to hit with fsmash characters.