Mario Boards: General Discussion

[Inferno3044]

Pierce is wrong. This MU is even. Mario has the ability to combo and edgeguard Lucario with his fast aerials and good juggle game and his smashes send Lucario in an undesirable direction. We have fireballs with do better than baby AS. Lucario does have the ability to stop our juggling with dair and has fair to juggle us with. His Fsmash also does very good against Mario's aerial approaches and can reliably kill you so when you're at higher percents it would be better for you to approach from the ground so that you can shield. The key to this MU with Mario is to kill him at reliable percents. Just getting hits in with bair or uair and not killing until 180 is BAD. Lucario's moves get stronger as he takes damage so he can turn the tide around if he kills you at low percents.

At worst for Mario, it's 45:55.

 

[mars16]

I think its Even
If Lucario's somewhere below the Edge he's easily edgegaurded
His Recovery does no Damage

 

[hippiedude92]

definitely 55:45

you HAVE to kill him around 90s nothing later than that

lol u cant juggle luc at least from the bottom cause of dair

has anyone seen a lucario move so fast and smoothly before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GxbrZ_3TKg

 

[A2ZOMG]

I read Pierce's arguments on his opinion of Lucario, and basically it is something like this:

Lucario is a limited character who has REALLY REALLY GOOD WALLS and the best forward roll in the game, but doesn't really have very good baiting options due to rather slowish frame data and a terrible shieldgrab, and his F-air simply isn't good enough to give him the tools to beat solid spacing games. Lucario's options basically are roll, wall, F-air, grab, Aura Sphere. The way to beat him is pretty simple but requires patience, since basically you can limit him to walling with good spacing and option covering his forward roll (which at some point is GONNA happen).

When I look at the matchup this way, I believe the way Pierce understands the matchup is that Mario's quick and low lag spacers like B-air can be used to option cover Lucario safely. What also helps Mario is the relative ease with which he avoids Aura Sphere due to the Cape and his decent projectile. Mario when he gets in Lucario's face and avoids the shieldgrab can be very difficult for Lucario to punish. On a fundamental level Mario can outspace Lucario and put him out of a position where he's able to make good punishes. Pierce I believe might probably then be more confident in Mario's edgeguarding than I would be, since the real reason why I can't see Mario pulling an advantage in this matchup is due to how hard Lucario is for Mario to kill.

 

[thegreatkazoo]

11:9 for lulu @ the worst, even @ the best IMHO.

All reasons have been stated really.

 

[Inferno3044]

I seriously think that Pierce underestimates Lucario as a character

 

[lilseph]

I'm not a big expert on Lucario, but i would say that he beats Mario. I don't understand the reasoning behind why he thinks Mario would win.

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

Lucario is not a bad matchup at all, just watch out for his dair, predict when he shoots the aura ball so we can cape, watch out for jab cancel to throw or jab cancel to side b, gimp him early, be careful about how u gonna juggle him b4 he gets to us. (f**k his dair spam)

 

[JUDGE]

k guys, todays my biggest tourne i've ever attended yet
gonna rep mario,marth and fox wish me good luck
gonna fight against Mr R best marth in europe and probably better than mikehazeO.o

 

[Infern Angelis]

There were 3-5 people when I told them I was Inferno that mistook me and thought I was Infern Angelis

inb4GodKais

God Kais?!

 

[mars16]

k guys, todays my biggest tourne i've ever attended yet
gonna rep mario,marth and fox wish me good luck
gonna fight against Mr R best marth in europe and probably better than mikehazeO.o

Good Luck Judge

 

[Teh Future]

how do you guys feel playing the most broken character in the game

 

[JuxtaposeX]

OMG INFINITE CHAINGRAB ON MARIO!!! IT'S BETTER THAN D3'S OR ICY'S CHAINGRAB!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c6hy2dsBpI

 

[mars16]

King Bombomb would be massive in this game

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

LOOOOOOOOOOL dayum, that's so effed up, man omg.

 

[A2ZOMG]

how do you guys feel playing the most broken character in the game

I laugh evilly at the prospect of destroying people.

 

[SKidd]

metaknight da worst

 

[_Kadaj_]

Get at my Mario

 

[SKidd]

^with metaknight

 

[Inferno3044]

how do you guys feel playing the most broken character in the game

I feel stronger than Akuma and can camp gayer then Spam.

 

[vato_break]

Kadaj is a bbbbeast 3 stocked my mk with mario

 

[A2ZOMG]

I feel stronger than Akuma and can camp gayer then Spam.

Spammerer is still active? I haven't talked to him about Smash in a long time.

 

[Inferno3044]

Spammerer is still active? I haven't talked to him about Smash in a long time.

Nah but he's so campy that his name is a legend

 

[Famous]

Kadaj is a bbbbeast 3 stocked my mk with mario

He learned from the best

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

*level up The Boss Plumber and The Famous Plumber*

 

[Fire!]

I think we should stop relying on Cape as much.

Spoiler

 

[JuxtaposeX]

What the hell?

 

[Famous]

Lmao.....It looked like a no contest screen to me

 

[JuxtaposeX]

Did he launch his controller? His hand is empty after he "swings" it

 

[UberMario]

It looks more like he chucked it downward, where was that taken at? Or was that just something random you found? lol

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

Rage quit.

 

[UberMario]

Is it sad that I thought rage-quitting was only done by people online? I've never seen anyone do it when I play them in person.

 

[A2ZOMG]

You know something, I just realized how ridiculously broken Mario would be if he were more mobile.

And provided fireballs still went at the same speed, they would be so overpowered as setup tools.

Marth wouldn't have **** on Mario if he could move faster and get in to break his zoning. Mario would outright beat Wario like 65/35 with an unpunishable aerial game, and Metaknight would probably be even if Mario moved faster than his fireballs. The hardest matchup would probably be Falco.

But pay no attention to me, it's all my imagination anyway.

 

[SKidd]

Well
Stop playing Balanced Brawl and make a Brawl where Mario is broken.

 

[Sleek Media]

I'd be interested in seeing that.

I'd also be interested in seeing what would happen if you made his fireballs very fast (limit of two onscreen at a time) just like in the games.

 

[SKidd]

Give him the ability to make Yoshi his ***** as well

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

Is it sad that I thought rage-quitting was only done by people online? I've never seen anyone do it when I play them in person.

Yeah, mostly online, sometimes offline.

 

[Kanzaki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECC7yWM6AEc

Frame. Perfect. Ragequit.

 

[Juushichi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECC7yWM6AEc

Frame. Perfect. Ragequit.

Looooooooooool.

 

[hippiedude92]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECC7yWM6AEc

Frame. Perfect. Ragequit.

omfg l,mfaooooo i love wc sonn roflmaoo!!!

that was just too good

and i thought the mario vs marth mu in brawl was bad enough