Mario 2010 Video Archives! - Updated 8/14

[~ Gheb ~]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGOZn1UHm6g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NunP1DDTumE

Critique would be appreciated - especially on the 2nd video. It's more recent and important than the first video.

 

[stack]

Here's a few video's of my Mario. Enjoy and critque please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8ox0Wc2xB8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dKA4lr-LyI

 

[JuxtaposeX]

First match, cape would have probably killed at 1:44 instead of a grab, but you probably already knew that. You need to bait and space a lot more, especially with your bairs, in the majority of the first match you were just running into him. All he needed to do was shield and then punish. If you know your bair is going to be dodged or shielded, DI away as soon as the hitbox ends so he can't punish as easily. You're not forced to move the direction you're facing when you're doing an aerial. Also, don't be afraid to use your fsmash for racking up damage, its a great move with retardedly good range. Near the end of match 2, you were getting too impatient for the kill and was spamming fsmash.

 

[stack]

First match, cape would have probably killed at 1:44 instead of a grab, but you probably already knew that. You need to bait and space a lot more, especially with your bairs, in the majority of the first match you were just running into him. All he needed to do was shield and then punish. If you know your bair is going to be dodged or shielded, DI away as soon as the hitbox ends so he can't punish as easily. You're not forced to move the direction you're facing when you're doing an aerial. Also, don't be afraid to use your fsmash for racking up damage, its a great move with retardedly good range. Near the end of match 2, you were getting too impatient for the kill and was spamming fsmash.

Yeah, I realized I could've caped him during the grab, hence the small pause I did before I threw him lol. I'm not really a very patient person in battle, so I usually don't camp or make my opponent come to me. I've been working on that though. I've also been working on using less smashes when my opponent is on their last stock. It's a bad habit I should've worked on a long time ago. Thanks for your input and advice

 

[A2ZOMG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGOZn1UHm6g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NunP1DDTumE

Critique would be appreciated - especially on the 2nd video. It's more recent and important than the first video.

You airdodged and spotdodged pretty unnecessarily. You don't really have to dodge much against Yoshi outside of avoiding his U-air since he doesn't have very safe approaches, and your aerials are better than his. Plus autoJabs are really really good against him, especially since it covers his spotdodge pretty reliably.

I also believe you really overlooked D-smash in this matchup, and you should really practice buffering turnaround D-smash (to buffer a turnaround move besides F-tilt, during the 10 frame window, press the desired direction lightly and return the control stick to neutral before inputting the desired move). D-smash is a good punisher, especially when Yoshi leaves himself open after hitting your shield (which will probably happen a lot when he needs to score a KO), and it does the most damage of all of Mario's moves besides sweetspot F-smash (D-smash and sourspot U-angled F-smash tie each other for damage).

In my experience, charging F-smash is also extremely useful against Yoshi, and another thing you overlooked. It's especially awesome if you do it as he F-smashes.

Ledgedrop Cape -> B-air is also something that can really help you get up from the ledge when spaced well.

All in all while you play pretty safe, you should be picking better options for your defensive game.

 

[Kanzaki]

I'd like to update this thread, and then archive it, unsticky it, then make a brand new 2011 thread.

Oh wait, we don't have an active mod.

 

[Calebyte]

That would be so cool, I wonder it would be like to have a board that was organized and up to date.

 

[Kanzaki]

I know right. We can only wish =/

 

[JuxtaposeX]

Maybe for Christmas we will get an actual moderator!

 

[fromundaman]

Kanzaki you're already OP, so I don't see what's stopping you from updating it.

As for the rest, I think I can unsticky this one and sticky another, but not sure what I can and can't do since I'm not an actual mod.

Do you want this unstickied now, or did you want to wait until Jan?


Sorry guys, I haven't had a reliable internet connection for about 8 months. When I do you'll start seeing me here again more often.

 

[Kanzaki]

What's stopping me is the lack of mod. I was trying to categorize by years, cause who wants to see old videos, other than for reference? Read my post a few post up, comprehend it, then come back once you understand it.

Saying that you "think you can" unsticky and sticky stuff, although you're not an actual mod, doesn't really help us much. Thanks for trying though.

 

[:mad:]

You should make the thread, bro.

 

[fromundaman]

I realize I'm not, but I do have *some* mod powers, and stickying and unstickying is in my toolbar, though I don't know if it will work or tell me I need to be a mod, since quite frankly, I've never tried. (In fact, if you take the time to look, you shall see this board DOES list me as a mod, although I don't have all the mod powers (IE: Can't infract, though I can edit posts through a roundabout and somewhat complex method, move posts and threads, etc.), hence why I mentioned it in the first place. I wasn't just trying to make a 'oooh look at me' post. )

 

[Calebyte]

You should try unsticking The Sewer System and Index of Mario Players since both are useless and out of date. You should also stick the Mario Guides and Resources Thread, since it IS up to date.

 

[fromundaman]

Done. Turns out I can do that. Also stickied the social thread, since most other boards have it stickied.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va3Hsvde36o

Critique plz

 

[fromundaman]

Gheb, your Mario is legit.
Main thing I noticed is you should use B-reversed fireballs to get out of juggle situations more. Also at one point you started spamming Fsmash, and it just wasn't working XD

I don't know what else to tell you. You play that MU 1000 times better than I do.

Here's a couple of mine, since I recently started uploading some (I was still figuring out the Fox MU in the Fox one, hence why I don't do some of the things I suggested in the MU discussion).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vIka6fGVVU (vs Link)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-ePMb0VDbI (Vs Ness)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIOhM6UHwRM (vs Fox)

 

[Jimmyfosho]

Wow that first stock ness kill lol

 

[Juushichi]

Gehb, your Mario is definitely legit.

I liked the way you used bair to keep Yoshi out and how intelligently you used your fireballs. If I saw right, I was noticing how you'd want to follow up after a bair, but they were just too far away. Maybe try f-tilting after your bair to get that extra poke will work. Otherwise, the only negative thing was that you tried fsmashing at Yoshi's second stock way too much.

This isn't something you have to work into your game, but it could help as a mixup. Why not use Mario's Dsmash like some MK's use theirs? As a landing trap, face away from your opponent and D-smash or charge D-smash to catch them as they land.

Also, I accidentally myself at the Ness video.

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

I didn't see a single Up-B out of Gheb. D:<

 

[A2ZOMG]

Gheb, I'm pretty certain I told you once before, but implementing the AutoJab (hold the A button to do the Jab combo) is SUPER USEFUL against Yoshi. More often than not, it will beat everything he does in close range, especially spotdodge. By AutoJabbing every time you get close to Yoshi, you prevent him from doing shenanigans like spotdodge -> DownB, which definitely hit you once in that match. Eventually when you get the hang of AutoJabbing on habit in close range, try to hit confirm the Jabs and from there link into grabs/tilts/D-smash (5 frame advantage off Jab2 fist hitbox).

Also you should implement Cape ledgestalling, and realize you have the option of ledgehop B-air.

Towards the end I felt you were dodging a bit nervously when you didn't need to, and also you need to be more confident in shielding against Yoshi. Other than that, you're getting better at the matchup.

 

[Fire!]

Wow that first stock ness kill lol

There is so much sexy in that clip.

 

[fromundaman]

Haha, I love how 3 different people have made a GIF of that XD

Gotta get that one and the 1st kill vs that Link in my sig.



On a side note, wow... I saw a replay of my friend vs Flameleon. For the first 30 seconds I was thinking "Wow, this guy isn't that great", then it turned to "HOLY ****!" as he suddenly did something ridiculously awesome and takes a stock. 30 seconds later he does it again. He has the weirdest and flashiest playstyle ever.

Flame, shoutout to you for being so awesome.

 

[A2ZOMG]

I don't consider Flame particularly flashy to be honest. Flame in my opinion does exactly what the average Mario user should be doing consistently. He has in depth matchup knowledge, technical skill, and full understanding of the purposes of Mario's moves.

Boss's playstyle on the other hand I'd call flashy.

 

[fromundaman]

Maybe it was just because I've only seen one of his matches, but that one match was flashy as hell.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Definitely watch more of Flame's videos if you're learning how to use Mario. He just makes some of the best move choices of all Mario users, and he even demonstrates knowing matchup specific tricks like the fact you can buffer D-smash between Falco's Jab cancel -> grab. His playstyle actually reminds me much of my own, except he makes fewer technical errors than I do.

 

[fromundaman]

Hmmm... I'll have to check more of his stuff then. Thanks.

 

[Flameleon]

-@fromundaman: hey thx for the shout d: ) but just to be sure about that match that u're talking about...if it's the one that i'm thinking, this is what i can answer:

a) Haha, i can't be cool whenever i'm playing dittos against someone because they usually save them or just have a good time and come to me just to say: "mwahaha, i can get flame's Mario to last stock, last hit, u're nothing" but, i realized the good and funny part about it, since everyone expects so much from u, at least giving a little of your "cake" is enough for them to be full x9, since dittos actually bore me(for the fact that i didn't had a Mario pal to play against with and since i leaned almost everything by my own, it's like hitting myself one time and another lul) but that doesn't stop me to play them, since ppl are the ones who made your name and u have to be there to give them what they ask for...and yeah...that match, i've been playing dittos and i did one of the best combo that i've done, but in the end, it was a ditto match, so, it doesn't matter, out there, u need to have knowledge against other instead of yourself, even though, having ditto exp also matters...

If not:
b) well, whenever i'm playing, i usually take some time to analyze the enemy, in that time, i'll take some damage but that's the price for it, next thing i do is to start using my normal playstyle, but, like A2Z has said, i'm not that flashy, at least not anymore.

Back in the 09, the Mario metagame that i watched was mostly about being all flashy, everyone tried to play like that, i did it too but i noticed than that was not the true way of using Mario. I've used this year to develop a playstyle that can be used against any character out there and win, of course, it doesn't involve being flashy but just being "wise" and it actually works for me. An interesting part about Mario is that u can play slow and calm or just spacing correctly, expecting the enemy to think: "wow, he's not attacking, perhaps he's afraid of me" or that kind of stuff, and next thing that u will see is an explotion of power. like a volcano who stays there calmly and suddenly becomes something extraordinaire, well, that's what i feel, just to explain it with words x9.

"A lion can be and look slow but when he moves, everyone runs"

What else can i say...hmmm, oh, well, one of my '11 goals is to get as many offline videos as i can, just to show you the side that ppl there don't know about me, at least, i can easily get videos of me vs the ppl on my crew, i'm also planning to get some of doubles too, well, too many things that i wanna do...

Oh, another thing that i'm enjoying using now are the Mario's fireballz, since i'm using them with pivots and stuff. Almost every time i'm playing, i'm usually trying them, working a lot with my accuracy, just like a Pit who spends days training their arrow skills, well, i'm like that, using ledges, non-flat grounds and stuff to bounce my fireballz just to get awesome results...i really love them xD

Well, i think that's all i have to say for now, i'm still around here, so dun worry and of course...

"Merry Christmas" d: ) -

 

[Matador]

Boss's playstyle on the other hand I'd call flashy.

How's Boss's playstyle flashy?

I've always figured him to be a "wait and see" Mario. He's really read oriented.

Oh, another thing that i'm enjoying using now are the Mario's fireballz, since i'm using them with pivots and stuff. Almost every time i'm playing, i'm usually trying them, working a lot with my accuracy, just like a Pit who spends days training their arrow skills, well, i'm like that, using ledges, non-flat grounds and stuff to bounce my fireballz just to get awesome results...i really love them xD

Well, i think that's all i have to say for now, i'm still around here, so dun worry and of course...

"Merry Christmas" d: ) -

Lol, haven't you ALWAYS loved fireballs dude?

That's like...your defining trait as a Mario. Like Famous and his cape-dashing and Xero with his upB.

 

[Kanzaki]

His playstyle actually reminds me much of my own, except he's not bad.

Fixed it for you. And I agree on Boss being the "wait and see" type, counter puncher, free style. No way flashy.

 

[fromundaman]

Haha, actually, I was thinking of a Link vs Mario with Links24 where you took 50% without landing a hit, then all of a sudden 2 of his stocks were gone in like 30 seconds.

And yeah, fireballs on slopes are awesome for setting up 'traps'.


In any case, props, your Mario is awesome. I'd love to play it sometime (When I have a consistent internet connection...).

 

[A2ZOMG]

That's exactly what I mean. Boss thrives a lot on reads, and his punishes are weird, and just something he sorta pulls out on the fly. The stuff that Boss does whether he's playing Melee or Brawl is stuff I generally wouldn't recommend most players trying to replicate in tournament. For most players, emulating Boss would only make your playstyle look cool, but not really get you far. He's technical definitely, but not on a level that's practical for most players.

Flame's playstyle on the other hand works to optimal move usage and management, and I generally feel the choices he makes are ones that other players could learn to replicate fairly easily (after learning the mechanics behind proper technical execution).

The comparison is similar as that of M2K and Mango in Melee to a lesser extent. M2K's strategies are both solid and easy to learn from. Mango's playstyle is impractical to copy because not unlike Boss, he's hugely read and reaction oriented, and he plays basically expecting you to make mistakes that only he can react to. You can't call his playstyle gimmicky because he's the best player by far. But you can call it ridiculously flashy for conventional standards.

 

[Rockstar]

Check out this short 2 minute mario compilation I made for the end of the year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdUd1rVfCS4 Happy Holidays!

 

[Kanzaki]

Check out this short 2 minute mario compilation I made for the end of the year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdUd1rVfCS4 Happy Holidays!

Hate to break it to you, although I encourage your enthusiasm, a horribly put together video of a bad Metaknight is NOT a compilation. It's a video of a bad Metaknight with a horrible introduction. I was watching Scrubs at the time, so I have my volume turned off, but I'm assuming there's horrible music as well.

Again, not to be mean, and I DO encourage your enthusiasm.. but just saying :]

Dictionary.com -> Compilation... the more you know.

 

[fromundaman]

Sadly, I have to agree with Kanzaki on this one. Please tell that MK to never pick that character again.

Oh, and you actually missed a Fair spike opportunity XD

 

[Kanzaki]

Mario's fair is bad. But that Metaknight was bad too.... so it might work?

 

[fromundaman]

It's bad, but it can be made to work, and honestly, it looks epic, so whenever an opponent sucks, I try to go for it (or as a mixup.).

 

[ThatGuy]

That's exactly what I mean. Boss thrives a lot on reads, and his punishes are weird, and just something he sorta pulls out on the fly. The stuff that Boss does whether he's playing Melee or Brawl is stuff I generally wouldn't recommend most players trying to replicate in tournament. For most players, emulating Boss would only make your playstyle look cool, but not really get you far. He's technical definitely, but not on a level that's practical for most players.

Flame's playstyle on the other hand works to optimal move usage and management, and I generally feel the choices he makes are ones that other players could learn to replicate fairly easily (after learning the mechanics behind proper technical execution).

The comparison is similar as that of M2K and Mango in Melee to a lesser extent. M2K's strategies are both solid and easy to learn from. Mango's playstyle is impractical to copy because not unlike Boss, he's hugely read and reaction oriented, and he plays basically expecting you to make mistakes that only he can react to. You can't call his playstyle gimmicky because he's the best player by far. But you can call it ridiculously flashy for conventional standards.

Jesus christ, thank you.

 

[fromundaman]

Hmmm... A2, that's a good point actually... Now I need certain Kirbies to understand that so we can stop these "analyze and replicate Chu" things going on lately...

 

[Matador]

That's exactly what I mean. Boss thrives a lot on reads, and his punishes are weird, and just something he sorta pulls out on the fly. The stuff that Boss does whether he's playing Melee or Brawl is stuff I generally wouldn't recommend most players trying to replicate in tournament. For most players, emulating Boss would only make your playstyle look cool, but not really get you far. He's technical definitely, but not on a level that's practical for most players.

Flame's playstyle on the other hand works to optimal move usage and management, and I generally feel the choices he makes are ones that other players could learn to replicate fairly easily (after learning the mechanics behind proper technical execution).

The comparison is similar as that of M2K and Mango in Melee to a lesser extent. M2K's strategies are both solid and easy to learn from. Mango's playstyle is impractical to copy because not unlike Boss, he's hugely read and reaction oriented, and he plays basically expecting you to make mistakes that only he can react to. You can't call his playstyle gimmicky because he's the best player by far. But you can call it ridiculously flashy for conventional standards.

I think I almost completely agree with this.

I just think our definitions of flashy are different, lol. I'd just call Boss less technical than Flame.

I'd call Fromundaman's Ness kill flashy. He had a billion other more guaranteed punishes (albeit, for less reward) he could have done. He went for the one that would get a crowd "wtf?" reaction.

I obviously think the kill was amazing and I'm jealous that I've never done it. Props for the kill Fromundaman, just using you as an example, lol.