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[Grim Tuesday]

You main Snake, that is instant gay-ness.

His tilts are gay.

 

[Splice]

The Baranyays will never understand.

You guys use the characters that FORCE everyone else to play gay, Metaknight or not.
That's so painful when you are the real culprits for using Snake and Diddy.

Disgusting. This game is disgusting. Olimar is the only thing in it that isn't disgusting.
and Gourmet Race (Metal Remix)

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Olimar is gay as hell, what you on about? o_O

 

[Splice]

I dont have to camp especially against Diddy or Snake with Olimar.

With Olimar I can avoid feeling the gay whilst my opponent feels it especially.
Just like Attila and Tibs do with their mains! :D

Except I will be a mother****ing astronaut

 

[Dekar289]

but oli gets gimped up the bum
snake lives til 500 and diddy works for nasa
god damn brawl is stupid lol, the irony is we're lucky that the baranyays don't main mk

 

[Splice]

No. MK MU is by far easier to learn than Diddy and Snake, and I myself would love it if Tibs and Attila used MK. At least then they'd have to actually learn the GaW MU to beat me, instead of just doing whatever. And for some-one who doesnt actually play or learn anything about Brawl dekar, dealing with MK is much more fun and easier to understand than Snake or Diddy, even if the MU is worse for you.

Also, MK isn't that much better than Diddy or Snake when it really comes down to it. Him being in his own tier is such a joke.
I don't think they would do as well with MK. Maybe Attila because he's just the best at everything in general. Tibs nup. What a crappy guy.

Olimar gets gimped pretty hard, and im worse at avoiding it then every other Olimar in the world atm, but GaW sucks really bad. I have been using the trashiest character for so long. All fun characters are trash. See: Fox. MK is the only fun/fast high tier, funnily enough. So not only is he high tier in high-tierliness but he is also high tier in funliness thus his exceptionally large amount useage relatively.



Anyway
In Melee I use Falco, who is fun but also not trash. Game is good.

 

[CaLibUr_1337]

I cbf getting good with spacies. Straight spacing characters.

In brawl we should all play mid tier and below lulz

 

[tibs7]

i know the gnw MU pretty well, actually. i know what beats what, what punishes lag of moves etc.
play gay next time against billy. plank the whole game. see what happens
And you guys did try to plank me
but then billy did some predictable sheet and got *****, simple

and yeah brawl is stupid.
annnnnd snake is gayer than mk

 

[Attila_]

i know matchups.

i just like to play and try things out.

gives people the illusion that i don't know what i'm doing.

then i play in bracket and commit ****.

@grim: if you're complaining about tilts, then you have never felt the terror of playing a real snake.

@splice: no one needs to time me out to win. in fact, it's not normally a good strategy against me. in fact, i force everyone to play properly. isn't that right, corpse?

 

[S.D]

I always find it funny when people whinge about characters.
NEWSFLASH: They're available for everyone.

 

[CaLibUr_1337]

Well yea but people don't enjoy playing every character.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

if you're complaining about tilts, then you have never felt the terror of playing a real snake.

If you're implying that tilts aren't a large part of Snake's game, then you are an awful Snake. Seeing as you won the last major, I'm going to have to assume that wasn't what you were trying to say...?

 

[Attila_]

That's exactly what I was trying to say.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!!!!!!!!!!??????????

 

[Splice]

I always find it funny when people whinge about characters.
NEWSFLASH: They're available for everyone.

I always find it funny when people come into a conversation with little to no real understanding of what people are trying to say, and then act like they are a wise guy.

The characters that are good... are not fun to play against, OR AS. Every player who is good and uses these characters are no fun to play anymore because of how you have to play to keep up with them. Even If I was using these characters, I would still have to play in a way that is not enjoyable if I was vsing a person playing any other high tier well. It's more enjoyable to be a level below these players because the game can be played in a more enjoyable way and you can also use the more enjoyable characters because they arent invalidated.

MK looks like the only way around this but it'd be a long path for me
and like I said
I use Falco in Melee.

*also i would like to note this is how I feel, im sure some others do not feel the same.

@Grim: Attila is right, lol. Tilts are not the big problem. Mostly their use of B-moves i find. Or, if it's Attila, fear the aerials just because it's Attila.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I'm not saying they are the majority of his playstyle, not at all, lol.

They are still a large part of his defensive close-quarters-combat ground game and are really gay though.

 

[Splice]

this is really sketchy and hard for me to do accurately
but a quick guesstimate would be that tilts are like 10% of his game
less than 20% imo.

Depends on opponent actually. Could be more or less then. So this post was pointless.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Yeah, on second thought, you two are right.

*Quietly escapes*

 

[Splice]

whatever, man.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I watched some Ally videos and was like...

"oh."

 

[Attila_]

at least you were willing to admit it.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I always admit when I'm wrong, I hate it when people don't so I try and give others the same respect that I hope they give me

 

[Dekar289]

no grim, you're right
tilts are the reason why you can't just walk up to snake

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Yeah, but they are still pretty minor compared to his grenade camping game, which is what Attila/Splice were getting at I think...

 

[Corpsecreate]

 

[Attila_]

all high tiers accept falco can walk right up to snake, if he's not zoning with explosives appropriately.

Pivot grabbing is the best way to stop people walking up to you; tilts can be punished. If you're not punishing them, and you're using a high tier, you mustn't know the mu.

If you disagree corpse, maybe that's why your snake was so bad?

 

[Corpsecreate]

I never said I disagreed or agreed, and I'm pretty sure my snake took m2k to 1 stock, which considering the time I had spent playing him and with basically no matchup experience against anything whatsoever, is pretty good imo.

 

[Ant1]

lol accept falco

 

[Attila_]

You facepalmed.

And taking sandbag2king to final stock in friendlies doesn't mean ****. don't for one second think it does.

 

[Ghostbone]

Not punishing Snake's f-tilt isn't a match-up knowledge problem.

Snake can mix-up between just doing f-tilt 1 or doing f-tilt 2. And if you guess wrong, you either don't get a punish or take damage.

It's not quite as good as the mix-ups MK can do with f-tilt but still, Snake's does way more damage...(and more shield push)

 

[S.D]

I always find it funny when people come into a conversation with little to no real understanding of what people are trying to say, and then act like they are a wise guy.

The characters that are good... are not fun to play against, OR AS. Every player who is good and uses these characters are no fun to play anymore because of how you have to play to keep up with them. Even If I was using these characters, I would still have to play in a way that is not enjoyable if I was vsing a person playing any other high tier well. It's more enjoyable to be a level below these players because the game can be played in a more enjoyable way and you can also use the more enjoyable characters because they arent invalidated.

MK looks like the only way around this but it'd be a long path for me
and like I said
I use Falco in Melee.

*also i would like to note this is how I feel, im sure some others do not feel the same.

@Grim: Attila is right, lol. Tilts are not the big problem. Mostly their use of B-moves i find. Or, if it's Attila, fear the aerials just because it's Attila.

Well then maybe it's time you draw the line between 'enjoying' your tournament matches and actually winning them.

It's a pretty neat john though, I lost because I was trying to have fun XD

 

[Attila_]

Only character who can't punish ftilt1 on shield in high tier is snake.

If you didn't know that, then you better get some matchup knowledge.

 

[luke_atyeo]

All fun characters are trash. See: Fox.

pffft obvs you just bad, fox has a high learning curve but is top tier for sure.

also yeah, snakes tilts are the ****, but they arent the best thing about his game and he doesnt rely solely on them.
if you think otherwise thats funny because you dont play the character and are also bad at the game.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

What can Wario and Ice Climbers do, Attila, just out of interest?

 

[Attila_]

Um.

Grab.

Admittedly, ice climbers have issues with ftilt. I forgot about them because they're trash.

Wario will always grab it though, cause his grab range is broken.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

How far back does he need to be before he can't grab it without Shield SDI?

 

[Attila_]

Wario? He'll always be able to. Grab range is stupid. Most other characters can't, but all the good ones (bar snake and Oli) can do oos aerials or similar anyway. Pretty sure the gap is 7 frames.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Jigglypuff has better grab range than Wario and she can't shield-grab it >_>

Puff so bad :3

 

[Corpsecreate]

You facepalmed.

And taking sandbag2king to final stock in friendlies doesn't mean ****. don't for one second think it does.

It certainly means something, maybe its not a reflection of what would happen in tournament but it still means something. But if thats not good enough, I did beat Ted/ZXV in tournament with my bad snake (with no match up experience dont forget).

 

[Richard7]

Its a shame there's no commentary on any of the matches