Mafia All Stars: In the end, it was Nothing Special

[Praxis]

Meganinja'd, that was directed @ Sephiroth.

 

[Overswarm]

Wouldn't Tandora die if LL is scum too?

 

[Praxis]

Yes. But that would be considerably more surprising, as LL is not currently a major suspect.
If Tandora were to die without being visited, we'd immediately lynch LL who is otherwise probably going to live to endgame due to his bomb claim.

You, on the other hand, might end up getting lynched regardless of Tandora. I'd rather risk Tandora's life on someone who is otherwise liable to live to endgame.

 

[Overswarm]

You, on the other hand, might end up getting lynched regardless of Tandora. I'd rather risk Tandora's life on someone who is otherwise liable to live to endgame.

Wait, so your goal is to have Tandora investigate LL because he's NOT a suspect, and for me to be lynched?

 

[mentosman8]

Yeah... What OS said.

Incidentally, Tando, do you have a limit on how many masons you can recruit? Don't need a specific number, but a yes or no would be nice.

 

[Praxis]

Wait, so your goal is to have Tandora investigate LL because he's NOT a suspect, and for me to be lynched?

My goal is for Tandora to clear the potential town bomb.

If LL lives to near-endgame, and becomes a suspect, people will be too afraid to lynch him because he claims he'll take another townie with him when he dies. If Tandora can verify this claim, we have two cleared townies between them. I feel this is our best use of her, though I'm not opposed to having her use it on you.

Sephiroth's suggestion of having her using it on you was the first suggestion of that, so I wanted to get him to elaborate on why. I'm okay with either choice, but my preferred choice is LL.

Yeah... What OS said.

Incidentally, Tando, do you have a limit on how many masons you can recruit? Don't need a specific number, but a yes or no would be nice.

I think we're better off if Tandora doesn't answer this...

 

[mentosman8]

Nah, it's a harmless question to answer, doesn't hurt to answer, doesn't hurt not to, I just want to know if there's any limit at all Trust me though, no harm in answering it with a simple yes or no, it just gives us more insight into the role.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Wait, why Overswarm?

Why not Lionel Luthor? Then we create a mafia target out of a bomb (because scum can't have two confirmed townies march in to endgame) and force mafia to waste two NKs at a later date to deal with Lionel Luthor (who is only an unconfirmed bomb and a problem for town otherwise) and Tandora. If Tandora recruits OS, and Tandora dies, scum gets an extra NK, though it does confirm his scumminess.

Although, having LL be cleared is a good idea, I would rather have some of the questionable people be cleared first. I also think if OS is town then we would have a valuable ally in the Masonry.

 

[Overswarm]

Tandora should answer that question.

She's a mason. She's going to be confirmed town one way or another eventually. If they kill who she is masoned with, she'll just mason again. They'll kill Tandora eventually.

I'm fine with LL being masoned, but worried about his potential (lack of) help at end game. This is merely off of a lack of knowledge of him as a player.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm fine with LL being masoned, but worried about his potential (lack of) help at end game. This is merely off of a lack of knowledge of him as a player.

Considering the fact that he's currently continuing to play the same way that almost got him lynched, I'd say clearing him via mason is the only reasonable way for him to become helpful at all.

 

[Tandora]

I know how many people I can mason. Also, I can send one of my friends to invite people to join instead of personally going myself. =D

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Tandora
If you send a friend to mason a mafia, do they die instead of you?

 

[Praxis]

@ Tandora, would you prefer to mason LL or Overswarm toNight?

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Why not just give Tandora our suggestions, then let Tandora decide from that who she wants to recruit. If we decide for her, then we might have scum infuence. If we give her our top 2/3, then she (assuming as town) can make a 100% town influenced choice.

Also, Praxis... I don't get at all the suspicion on me for the Rawr. I just picked it since it's the only other voting method I've ever used (used in Monster Island Mafia, while all other mafias used "vote"). There was no breadcrumbing used at all. I just picked a different voting method so that it doesn't get confused with "vote". If J is the only other person who used Rawr, then that is simply a coinicidence.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Blue yoshi
Yeah, and if Tand dies from recruiting scum, then we have simply one scum in 2/3 people rather than a guaranteed scum. *slow clap* I don't think scum influence should be too big of a problem here, as LL is a pretty logical choice.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I think he's saying we should give our top 2/3 suggestions of who we want her to choose, and then she chooses from those two. Nowhere in his statement did he say "don't tell us who you choose." I would expect her to choose and tell us, but it gives her more options.

I still say go with OS.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

What Seph said. I meant we give Tandora our top 2/3 choices, then she tells us who she is choosing.

I find it funny how you take every post I make and change it completely. It's actually kinda funny

 

[Nicholas1024]

@BY
I don't see the point of doing it that way. If you're just posting top 2/3's, how is that so different from saying "Recruit player X" (which is basically a top 1.) Scum has the exact same chance of influencing the recruit target either way.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Because this way, a confirmed town decides who they want, instead of having some scum influence. Sure, scum may influence the top 3, but in the end, the final decision is made by confirmed town.

 

[Overswarm]

Or, Tandora can make the decision.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Tandora making the decision and my idea is basically the same idea. We will make suggestions most likely either way, and Tandora will make a decision in the end.

... unless you mean we don't give her any suggestions and she chooses by herself... which would also work.

 

[mentosman8]

I know how many people I can mason. Also, I can send one of my friends to invite people to join instead of personally going myself. =D

Okie dokie, thanks Tando :D The reason I asked was because as I believe I mentioned earlier, I had the original role and kinda wanted to meta to see if it was the same as the original, giving a little bit more meta-data about the setup without revealing anything important.

Or, Tandora can make the decision.

This. Sure we're saying who we think should be recruited, but ultimately, if Tando said she wanted to go with another person, that's absolutely fine too. Besides, if we're trying to put the recruit target as someone suspicious, and given the nice neat little situation we've got going, essentially all we're doing is trying to pick a second lynch. Scum'll have just as much influence giving multiple suggestions as they would with single suggestions, since Tando doesn't have to listen if she disagrees.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Blue Yoshi
You realize that Tandora makes the decision in the end regardless? I mean, if Tandora just says to town "Forget that, I'm recruiting Player X", there's not a whole lot we can do about it. Picking top 3's versus top 1's ultimately doesn't make a whole lot of difference.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I like Praxis's point on BY.

GLG needs to die toDay, hasn't posted much of anything really, even though he is close to lynch if i am correct. @mod request votecount

Tandora should pick someone who isn't an obvious choice for a masonry, so her choice isn't killed.

 

[Tandora]

If I send someone else out for the Night if something bad happens, it would happen to them. We need to be able to be in agreement though, so that could be an issue if there are more of us.

The real question is do you guys trust LL? I do because of his reaction when he thought he had been lynched. But odds are good I'll be dead by end game, so other players need to trust him because of his claimed bomb status.

 

[Nicholas1024]

I think LL is probably town based on his late D1 play, but I still have some doubts, and the way he tends to super-lurk makes him difficult to read.

Also, I've seen scum play the "Drat I'm lynched, go town" card before. TPK-scum did that in Unintended Consequences mafia D2.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

^How would that work? We wouldn't know anything about the mason, and it would be pointless to involve town at all.

The whole point of town talking about this, is so we can choose a mason target. And the possibility of the target getting lynch has also been discussed before, which leads me to the question.

Have you been skimming?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Ninja'd:

That was @ Swords.

 

[Kirby King]

Day 2 Vote Count
giraffelasergun (6): Nicholas1024, Tandora, Lionel Luthor, SwordsRbroken, Zεη, Overswarm
Tandora (1): giraffelasergun
Praxis (1): Blue Yoshi

Not voting: Gheb_01, frozenflame751, X1-12, Sephiroths Masamune, Macman, mentosman8, Praxis

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, November 17 at 11:59:59 PM ET.


Lionel Luthor and Macman have been prodded.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Why don't you recruit LL and then let him do the next recruitment? If he's really a bomb then he won't harm a townie if he dies via mismason and you will know whom he tried to recruit, which gives you guaranteed scum. If you succeed you can have a 3-man mason going into D4, which is pretty amazing.

 

[Tandora]

That was pretty much what I was thinking. There's one possible problem I have thought of. Is it possible for a town bomb to blow up a mason recruiter? My role doesn't specify mafia as being harmful.

Also, I may have missed it, but has LL actually posted his character flavor? I can find the joke one he posted, but I don't see a real claim.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I don't think it's possible for a bomb to blow up a mason recruiter, unless Kiki altered the roles.

@seph I haven't been skimming.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

If what LL said about his power D1 is true [he blows up a random townie] then he isn't a regular "bomb" - he's a BIM bomb. They don't kill townies [or anybody for that matter] if they are killed in the night.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

More fuel for GLG to be lynched:

He posted in the signups thread this morning, but never bothered to post in this thread to even give any sort of opinion of what has been asked of him so far. Exactly why he needs to be lynched soon.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

@mod request prod on giraffelasergun. He hasn't posted for 2 days now.

 

[Praxis]

I don't see the rush. GLG is obvscum. We're going to vote him out today. Only reason I haven't thrown a vote down on him is that he's at L-2. We've still got, what, a week till deadline? We can gain some information for tomorrow's lynch by discussing who comes next.

 

[X1-12]

Did Teran ever character claim?

 

[Teran]

If what LL said about his power D1 is true [he blows up a random townie] then he isn't a regular "bomb" - he's a BIM bomb. They don't kill townies [or anybody for that matter] if they are killed in the night.

If by BIM you mean Bad Idea Mafia then yes, that's me.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Took a look at the role, it says he can't vote either.

 

[Teran]

He's right.