Mafia All Stars: In the end, it was Nothing Special

[Xivii]

k looks good.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Anyone up for lynching OS toMorrow?

Whered this come from?/Why do you wanna lynch him?

I don't think LL/teran should be the recruit. At this point he's pretty obvtown and I feel like his successful masoning won't give me any wanted information.

Considering the fact that he's currently continuing to play the same way that almost got him lynched, I'd say clearing him via mason is the only reasonable way for him to become helpful at all.

Are you really still sticking to this? You're gonna continue to bring up the fact that teran's not playing the way you like instead of trying to bring up points about how he actually may seem to be scum. I mean yea, I do agree with you about his play, but for it to still be a deciding factor past d1 i think is a problem. Especially considering that he's pretty obvtown to me.

Because this way, a confirmed town decides who they want, instead of having some scum influence. Sure, scum may influence the top 3, but in the end, the final decision is made by confirmed town.

I don't think less scum influence is the biggest pro of having a top 2 or top3. Having multiple choices that tandora can pick from makes it so that mafia can't easily kill her potential recruit target, thus negating the plan.

I don't see the rush. GLG is obvscum. We're going to vote him out today. Only reason I haven't thrown a vote down on him is that he's at L-2. We've still got, what, a week till deadline? We can gain some information for tomorrow's lynch by discussing who comes next.

agreed

also lol at that point about rawring/crumbing. it's enough to make me want to vote.

vote:blue yoshi

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Are you really still sticking to this? You're gonna continue to bring up the fact that teran's not playing the way you like instead of trying to bring up points about how he actually may seem to be scum.

You may have not realized it yet but I've stopped pursuing the idea that he could be scum a while ago so there are no points for me to bring up in the first place. The only thing I'm sticking to is that he's a burden much more than a help.

I mean yea, I do agree with you about his play, but for it to still be a deciding factor past d1 i think is a problem. Especially considering that he's pretty obvtown to me.

Why should it become a problem after D1 all of a sudden? The longer he stays in the game, the bigger a problem he will become unless - well - Tandora recruits him. I should think you would understand that as well as everybody else does.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Macman, I don't think you're town right now.

 

[Tandora]

Since we're pretty set on the night combo, I suggest people start looking for other scum. Go back over J's posts and see if he was onto anyone else. Look at GLG/BSL's posts and see who they made any connections with.

@ mod, request modkill for GLG He knows he's dead and he has no case. He hasn't posted because he cannot risk further exposing his scummates since he's been exposed.

 

[Overswarm]

Why modkill? Just get everyone to vote for him

 

[SwordsRbroken]

GLG isn't posting for obvious reasons. Which is why he needs to die by this coming monday.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

You may have not realized it yet but I've stopped pursuing the idea that he could be scum a while ago so there are no points for me to bring up in the first place. The only thing I'm sticking to is that he's a burden much more than a help.



Why should it become a problem after D1 all of a sudden? The longer he stays in the game, the bigger a problem he will become unless - well - Tandora recruits him. I should think you would understand that as well as everybody else does.

d1 is when I would expect making decision based off playstyle but further along in the game where there's more information, you bringing up stuff like how people play become an issue. I could understand if you supported the teran recruit because he was a bomb... but it seems like you're just ignoring the information we already have.

I don't see teran as a problem

 

[Overswarm]

Teran could only be a problem near end-game.

Regardless, it just means we can't lynch him without someone investigating him or killing him in some way. That said, there's probably more than one way to investigate in this game. Either way, we'll be fine.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Why modkill? Just get everyone to vote for him

Modkill doesn't end the day, and we can get another kill in if he is.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

That's actually a great suggestion.

If glg is scum and he's modkilled day will continue.

 

[Overswarm]

Agreed. Let's not let this get by with a No Lynch though

 

[~ Gheb ~]

d1 is when I would expect making decision based off playstyle but further along in the game where there's more information, you bringing up stuff like how people play become an issue.

It's not the way he plays that bothers me.
It's the fact that he doesn't even play the game all that much that bothers me.

I don't know what to tell you because I don't actually want talking about inactivity to become the center of our discussion. At this point I don't care what you call me but if he continued to play this way I wouldn't want to have him around later in the game.
And since we apparently have so much information on people now I'd like to hear your thoughts on Frozen, Mentos, Zen, X1-12, Blue Yoshi and Swords. Unless you can show us that you have solid reads on them I find it hypocritical of you to say we have enough information to leave semi-inactive people alone like that. At least when certain players - like myself - don't have these "obvtown" reads on him.

The game started with 18 players. Even in a game of 12 players you don't usually have good reads on everybody D2. We're not that much further along the game.

I could understand if you supported the teran recruit because he was a bomb... but it seems like you're just ignoring the information we already have.

And what information would that be that I'm ignoring? How is it hard to understand that his bomb claim isn't everything about him that wants me to have him recruited? These are two completely different things you mention here - they have absolutely nothing to do with one another.
Because I have more than just one reason to want Teran recruited I'm ignoring information? I'd like to think I'm smart enough to understand logical connections between sentences even in a language that I'm not a native speaker of but how you draw a problem out of these two points is way beyond me.

I think you're trying too hard to square the circle. Which is very unlike you, Macman. You're usually brief in your explanations but you're not bullshitting around either. What's the matter?

 

[Praxis]

Agreed. Let's not let this get by with a No Lynch though

Says the guy who tunnelled on the town bomb D1 and stated he would do no further scumhunting and not change his vote.

Why modkill? Just get everyone to vote for him

If he's scum and modkilled the day continues. Curious that you want to avoid this.

 

[X1-12]

@Mac: I wanted to see if Praxis, or anyone else for that matter would comment, OS is null to me.

I find Tan calling for a modkill null at best, on what grounds would the modkill be? its unlikely there's even enough time for him to get modkilled due to inactivity and that all relies on him never posting ever again. The mod isn't just going to modkill someone because the majority of people think he's scum, that's what lynching is for.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I was thinking, an now I've come to a decision. Teran is scum. He said earlier that he couldn't vote because he was a bomb. Well, if you look at D1 you can see that he did vote.

Wow no love for Sephiropth's Masamune.

Vote: Overswarm

He was all mad like with me once and this is payback.

And he can't say that the mod overlooked his post because.

Day 1 Vote Count
Sephiroths Masamune (4): Nicholas1024, Overswarm, frozenflame751, Xatres
Blue Yoshi (3): Blue Yoshi, SwordsRbroken, Gheb_01
Overswarm (2): Sephiroths Masamune, Lionel Luther
Praxis (1): X1-12

Not voting: Marc, BSL, Macman, mentosman8, J, Praxis, Zεη, Ryker

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

The deadline is Thursday, November 4 at 11:59:59 PM.

After GLG, I say we go after Teran.

 

[Teran]

Yeah that's the mods fault not mine.

 

[Overswarm]

Says the guy who tunnelled on the town bomb D1 and stated he would do no further scumhunting and not change his vote.



If he's scum and modkilled the day continues. Curious that you want to avoid this.

Claimed bomb, thank you. And I stand by my word.



Also, good catch Sephiroth.

So that's 2. GLG + LL. Praxis has been acting pretty scummy imo, but he could jsut be over eager. Not sure yet. Maybe Tandora could mason Praxis?

 

[Overswarm]

Yeah that's the mods fault not mine.

Well yer 'bout to be mod confirmed or killed, one way or the other.


If Mod doesn't make a post, someoem kill him during the Night or we lynch him in the morning.

 

[X1-12]

@Mod: Up to that point, was there any errors in this votecount?

Day 1 Vote Count
Sephiroths Masamune (4): Nicholas1024, Overswarm, frozenflame751, Xatres
Blue Yoshi (3): Blue Yoshi, SwordsRbroken, Gheb_01
Overswarm (2): Sephiroths Masamune, Lionel Luther
Praxis (1): X1-12

Not voting: Marc, BSL, Macman, mentosman8, J, Praxis, Zεη, Ryker

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

The deadline is Thursday, November 4 at 11:59:59 PM.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Good ****, Seph.

Now I'm all the more curious about the "obvtown vibes" Macman was getting from Teran.

 

[Teran]

Also Gheb is being a ******, pushing a lynch on someone you don't like even though you think they're town is pos€sibly one of the most mindnumbingly stupid acts in existence. There is no such thing as a "burden".

If you think someone is confirmed town, then they add to the numbers game, you don't ****ing lynch them.

It helps with the process of scumhunting having living town but I guess Gheb has run out of the sufficient level of brainpower it takes him to go to the toilet on his own at this point.

 

[Praxis]

@Mac: I wanted to see if Praxis, or anyone else for that matter would comment, OS is null to me.

My bad for not responding to this.

I won't forget about OS, I practically have his name tattooed on my arm but I think I'd like to investigate some of the quieter people tomorrow, and lynch Blue Yoshi barring a scummy breakdown.

I find Tan calling for a modkill null at best, on what grounds would the modkill be? its unlikely there's even enough time for him to get modkilled due to inactivity and that all relies on him never posting ever again. The mod isn't just going to modkill someone because the majority of people think he's scum, that's what lynching is for.

Valid point, don't you need three prods for a modkill?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Also Gheb is being a ******, pushing a lynch on someone you don't like even though you think they're town is pos€sibly one of the most mindnumbingly stupid acts in existence. There is no such thing as a "burden".

Wow @ the stupidity of this post.

When was the last time I pushed for your lynch again? I don't think I even mentioned it once toDay. Neither did I mention that I think you're town.

If you don't bother reading posts, don't bother playing this game.

 

[Teran]

You're close enough to it.

The entire focus of your game has been on me for like 2 days. It's like you want nothing more than to find a way to get rid of me when quite frankly, there are much better avenues to pursue.


Werd.

 

[Praxis]

Claimed bomb, thank you. And I stand by my word.



Also, good catch Sephiroth.

So that's 2. GLG + LL. Praxis has been acting pretty scummy imo, but he could jsut be over eager. Not sure yet. Maybe Tandora could mason Praxis?

You stand by your word? Didn't your word include a refusal to jump on the GLG bandwagon that J and I were leading on D1? So you stand by letting us no lynch as opposed to lynching scum?

I want to remind everyone to review D1's voting patterns now that we know GLG was scum. It's telling that it was so hard to get people to switch bandwagons, isn't it?

 

[Overswarm]

I'm fine with lynching people because I don't like them. Why not?


You guys are getting too hung up on things that don't matter.

Look, there are a lot of players in this game. No one is going to be able to follow every single one of them well. I've chosen only a few to look at and simply ignore the others until someone else brings them up. It works. I don't get pulled into pointless semantic arguments with Praxis when his arguments are "HMMM, STRANGE, NO?!" and a narrowing of the eyes and I don't have to back up Gheb when he implies one thing and means another and then backs it up by saying "Weird". Seriously, you can end all of Gheb's sentences with elipses to get a clearer picture of how he's posting. But I don't care. I'll get to them when I need to.

But for now? What I do not choose to ignore is the fact that we have clear and decisive information.

We've got a strong player in Sephiroth Masamune, or scum. We're gonna find out if Tandora or GLG is scum preeeeeetty fast. Like, tomorrow. It's looking like it is GLG.

AND, we've got a confirmation on Teran. Either he's a liar (Lynch all Liars) or was mistaken (can't confirm, consider him a liar and lynch him), the mod made a mistake (gives us a town clear) or he's scum. Simple as that. It really isn't that hard.


SO.

You guys can stop the semantic arguments.

We're not going to get a modkill on GLG if he's scum. It won't happen. His scummates will say "POST SOMETHING" unless they're pretty sure that they can get a townie lynched afterwards.

The deadline is Wednesday, November 17 at 11:59:59 PM ET.

Meaning, we've got just enough time to reliably look for a modkill.


So here's the plan that no one will deviate from.


Make sure GLG is at L-3 at lowest. Avoid a No Lynch at all costs. If he posts anything that is just a prod dodge, lynch him immediately. If he posts something useful, it might be worthwhile to discuss it. But probably not.


Seph, you watch Tandora.

Tandora, post who you're going to recruit. Now. Do not wait. Pick someone you think could be town that might end up getting lynched by us prior to end game.

Doc, protect Seph if you exist.

If mafia kills seph, doc protects him.

If mafia kills Tandora, we see who it is.

If mafia kills recruit, boo hoo. We've directed their kill.


If mod clears LL, let him live. Don't target him with any negative abilities or investigate.

If mod says nothing or makes no mistake, LL gets lynched ASAP tomorrow. Vig, kill him for us if you can on the off chance he's some sort of mafia bomb.


Done.

 

[Overswarm]

You stand by your word? Didn't your word include a refusal to jump on the GLG bandwagon that J and I were leading on D1? So you stand by letting us no lynch as opposed to lynching scum?

I want to remind everyone to review D1's voting patterns now that we know GLG was scum. It's telling that it was so hard to get people to switch bandwagons, isn't it?

If I recall, I asked who I should vote for, was told, voted, and then didn't read the game. I was in Dallas for part of it, you know.

 

[Praxis]

OS, you talk like we're going to let a No Lynch happen again. We've already got him at L-2 don't we? 8 to lynch, we have 6 votes.

As to Teran, yeah, if he's not mod confirmed, he needs to be vigkilled (reduces risk in case he's a lying bomb?), or lynched tomorrow for lying. My post to X1 was before reading the exchange with Teran above.


I'd like to see mod confirm whether that vote count was accurate or not.

 

[Praxis]

Wait- if Teran is telling the truth, and gets modkilled for voting Overswarm on D1, won't the day end and with GLG alive?

 

[X1-12]

I find it highly unlikely anyone would get modkilled for breaking a restriction once

 

[~ Gheb ~]

It's not even a restriction per se. The game where his role comes from simply didn't use votes at all hence him supposedly being unable to vote. I'd be surprised though if it was a mod error.

 

[Nicholas1024]

I find it highly unlikely anyone would get modkilled for breaking a restriction once

In BIM Redux, a bomb role was modkilled for falsifying the ability to daykill. So yeah, it is possible.

 

[X1-12]

In BIM Redux, a bomb role was modkilled for falsifying the ability to daykill. So yeah, it is possible.

what. Firstly i never said it was impossible, just unlikely. Secondly the daykill ability is leagues different to the voting ability. What part of this post did you think was in anyway helpful?

 

[Overswarm]

If I recall correctly, votes merely weren't counted in that game.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Yeah, but the daykilling in that game replaced the normal lynching, so there is a parallel between falsifying the ability to vote, and falsifying the ability to daykill. Anyway, I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but we could just ask Teran what happens.

@Teran
What happens upon you falsifying the ability to vote? Is it a modkill, points towards a modkill, or something entirely different?

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Well, I have to work, but I`m at post 706, and want to respond to that before I leave.

Praxis, going by vote count, you said it was L-1, when it was L-3. I mean, the only way you could have gotten L-1 was if you completely ignored the two unvotes. I still find you suspicious for this... and probably still will for the rest of the game.

I'll comment on the rest later... I gtg or else I'll be late lol.

 

[giraffelasergun]

@ mod, request modkill for GLG He knows he's dead and he has no case. He hasn't posted because he cannot risk further exposing his scummates since he's been exposed.

Don't I have top be prodded first?

 

[X1-12]

lol


10 charizards

 

[Kirby King]

@Mod: Up to that point, was there any errors in this votecount?

The vote count in post 77 is accurate.


Day 2 Vote Count
giraffelasergun (6): Nicholas1024, Tandora, Lionel Luthor, SwordsRbroken, Zεη, Overswarm
Tandora (1): giraffelasergun
Praxis (1): Blue Yoshi
Blue Yoshi (1): Macman

Not voting: Gheb_01, frozenflame751, X1-12, Sephiroths Masamune, mentosman8, Praxis

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, November 17 at 11:59:59 PM ET.


frozenflame751 has been prodded.