[M-1/15/19/24/27/32/33/34] FF7: Mafia Remix | Game over, Mafia Wins!

[Nix2100]

I quite clearly said what was bugging me about that post, maybe you need to go re-read again instead of avoiding the question? =P

 

[Omni]

unvote
Vote: Chibo

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@people: he should be useful. Pointing out things people do that are anti-town and then saying it isn't scummy isn't useful.

It can be quite useful imo.

It just makes him look like he's scum hunting when he isn't doing much at all.

1.) Can you really say he isn't doing as much as at least half of the people in this game?
2.) How does it make him "look" that he is scumhunting when he specifically mentions that he doesn't find these things scummy [as you mentioned yourself above]?
3.) I disagree that he's not doing a lot. He's taken clear stances all game so far. That's something we can work with at any stage of the game.

Do you think Nix has been useful so far, relative to his post count?

Absolutely.

Is this a comment about the state of the game or a comment about the opinions of certain players on the matter?

The former. I have no issue with Omni arguments on why we should lynch inactives while we can.

Can't really say he's scummy but he's gonna be a distraction and a liability from what I can tell. Perfect vig bait, and considering Zack didn't die pre-game, I'd imagine either he's up and about ready to do some straight up viggin' or we have a streamlined Cloud vig. Get to cleavin' when the time comes please.

Was the bolded part really necessary? You should've kept that for yourself imo.

This post bugs me, what's the point to it? Why quote one of Gheb's postings just so say "this post doesn't bother me at all".....Getting all Buddy Buddy?

Don't be silly, Nix. If you read through the whole exchange between Frozen and me you'll see that this answer isn't "buddy buddy" at all. My last post of that conversation clearly ask for some acknowledgment - or at least a response - to my thoughts on the matter. His response is nothing out of the ordinary.

And for some reason you saying you trust Gheb to use all the info in a clear and consistent manner...That even sounds weird coming out of my mouth, Don't like it at all!

How is that weird at all? I don't think anybody is better known to use any available info in such a manner than townGheb!

This post bugs me, what's the point to it? Why quote one of my postings just to say "this post bugs me" with no real explanation.....Getting all dummy dummy? And for some reason you saying it seems Chuckie and Summoner have no issues so the problem must be on your end...That even sounds weird coming out of my mouth, Don't like it at all!

I quite clearly said what was bugging me about that post, maybe you need to go re-read again instead of avoiding the question? =P

While I already answered it, I have to agree that it's not typical for Frozen to react like that. Why such a dismissing tone in your response, Frozen? It seems like you try to kill Nix' point [even though I agree that it's a bad one] instead of responding in a useful manner - which I think would've been easy enough [hence me answering it from my POV].

Did he hit a nerve?

 

[SummonerAU]

1) Fair enough point. I don't think I should be letting something go that I think is iffy just because there is inactivity. Generally I'm not too into inactive lynches anyway.
2) Gheb, when he first raised the point, he didn't say anything about it. It was only after being asked what he thought about it did he say it wasn't scummy. Just think about it now, maybe I should have just saved it for later or something to see what happened. Oh well.

Do you think there are active scum?

 

[Omni]

i didn't take a liking to frozen's overly dramatic response to Nix's post either.

kinda like how i still dont like Dr. Riddler's (mac's) overdramatic response to my inactive statement. tho i guess him voicing that he overreacted makes it a bit better.

slow day will be slow until inactive people stop being inactive. im not a fan of this Nix pressure buti guess its because i don't dislike his play at the moment. i sense, as usual, town arguing with town and scum blending in with the massive inactivity. plus i truly dislike putting pressure on players when there are players who have failed to even commit to speak.

somewhat scummily looking active player > incredibily inactive/quiet players. active players give reads as Gheb said which is what Nix is doing. whether he "seems" helpful or not isn't an issue; he's being much more useful than a good 5-6 players in the game.

just think about who you don't want in lylo and this game gets that much easier

 

[Omni]

ninja'd

1) Fair enough point. I don't think I should be letting something go that I think is iffy just because there is inactivity. Generally I'm not too into inactive lynches anyway.
2) Gheb, when he first raised the point, he didn't say anything about it. It was only after being asked what he thought about it did he say it wasn't scummy. Just think about it now, maybe I should have just saved it for later or something to see what happened. Oh well.

Do you think there are active scum?

@Summoner: how do you think toDay's inactivity will play out if it continues at this pace for the entire game? are you okay with nailing Nix? do you realize that you dont even have the opportunity to nail players like Xiivi, Chibo, and Kevin because they're not giving you anything to work with

i dont like your question at the end. not in the least bit.

 

[Tom]

"Two years ago, think of the strength we all had when we fought that last battle. It's only been a couple of years, but already that feeling is gone. But Cloud, I think he's found it again."

Vote Count:
[4] KevinM: frozenflame751, Dr. Riddler, Chuckie, Gheb_01
[1] Omni: Omis
[1] Gheb_01: Xiivi
[1] Chaco: junglefever
[1] Rockin: Chaco
[1] Nix2100: SummonerAU
[1] ChiboSempai: Omni
[0] Omis
[0] Chuckie
[0] Xiivi
[0] mentosman8
[0] Dr. Riddler
[0] Junglefever
[0] frozenflame751
[0] SummonerAU

[5] Not Voting: KevinM, Rockin, mentosman8, ChiboSempai, Nix2100

Last Post:
0-24hr: Omni, SummonerAU, Gheb_01, Nix2100, frozenflame751, Chuckie, Dr. Riddler, ChiboSempai, Omis, Rockin, Junglefever
25-48hr: mentosman8
Inactive: KevinM, Xiivi (prods)


With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Wednesday, September 8th, Noon EST.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Hahahaha I can't believe I'm getting these types of responses for trying to be witty in calling Nix out for talking out of his ***.

Oh well. His post was just asking to be copypasta'd so I jumped on the opportunity. Wrong audience I guess.

Yeah Nix sort of hit a nerve when he tried to make me out to be a ****** by arbitrarily citing his allegedly transparent interactions with Chuckie and Summoner as examples in support of the equally arbitrary assertion that the contentedness of other players with their understanding of your points on topics independent to the one being discussed has anything at all to do with my understanding on a separate issue or issues.

@ Gheb, no the bolded really wasn't necessary. I kind of regret saying that but as I said earlier Nix is just distracting me. Made a ****ty call there. =/

 

[CT Chia]

Up to and through page 9

@Gheb: Clarify what you mean by Omni/Frozen. Do you think their connected in some way, scummy, etc?

Unvote Vote Nix

OMGUS and not a real fan of your posts so far.



Serious?



Why isn't this aimed at everyone, or at least others who haven't posted much? Why these guys specifically?



Why are you badgering Chaco over an apparent RVS vote? Couldn't you figure that out yourself?

Chuckies vote here seems pretty weak. I can't see why Chuckie would actually want to lynch him based off of the mini case he built around him, which isn't much imo.

Unvote Vote Mentos

What was the deal with this vote

You guys must have a different view on what RVS/RQS is, because I dont see much randomness going on at all here.

Im bothered because the one post he made, when he didnt have to make anything, was completely useless. And aren't we already "moving along" When was the last random vote? Your all asking me questions about something I've done, and Im responding, having a DISCUSSION.....I would like to think we are long out of RVS don't you?

If I Wanted to jump on someone for the sake of jumping them, It would be all over Rockin =P

You're harping way too much over this

I wish Xiivi would come out to play

I find it interesting that this was the first time someone mentioned Xiivi, and that no one mentioned me yet.

Lol @ habit.

well if u don't understand Kevin's antics then ok. figured you would since he's an old head. but listen anyway

the reason why you ignore Kevin us because he's intentionally being helpful. he's prolonging the game and wasting time by purposely omitting necessary info in his posts. he should have explained himself in his post. By not doing so he has pretty much said nothing over the entire course of the game.

Which is why I said not to feed the troll.

if he wants to keep playing like that he'll be lynched eventually.

You obviously don't like his play so why wouldn't you want to lynch him today?

so inactives need to die asap. if we can find someone being scummy in the process: cool

Finding inactive just does it itself, you just look at post history, no work there. However for finding scum, I don't really see you actively scumhunting (though I don't see a lot of people trying to do that tbh).

What do you think about Kevin's posts so far up to this point? Scummy? Stupid?

@Gheb: I don't really see much from Omni/Frozen. Though I can see where FF is coming from, as I don't really see what you could derive from such a question. Maybe (Probably) I'm just missing something though.

Nix plays like this every game, so i don't really know what to make of it. He seems to be making more of an effort d1 where he used to normally jsut be like lol day 1 sucks but he still seems to really only come in when his name is called.

This post feels like a scum attempt at seeming useful, and almost feels like an extended version of what other people have said, spinning other's words into his own.

@Chibo - Don't make me Meta you again. Your reading stuff, got anything exciting to post?

I don't even know what you're talking about

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Kevin's one liners don't sit well with me

People can see the couple of people I don't feel too good with atm through what I've posted, but I'm not ready to vote any of them yet.

 

[Omni]

chibo's post is the definition of why inactives need to die

 

[CT Chia]

aggressive omni is scum omni?

what would you like to see me do
sorry mlg happened

 

[Omni]

You obviously don't like his play so why wouldn't you want to lynch him today?

i've said i'm perfectly fine with Kevin dying. why are you skimming?

Finding inactive just does it itself, you just look at post history, no work there. However for finding scum, I don't really see you actively scumhunting (though I don't see a lot of people trying to do that tbh).

it's hard to actively scumhunt when i know that scum is probably laying low with most of the inactives. it's practically impossible, imo, to scumhunting efficiently when any nuber of inactives are not participating in discussion actively. this includes you, kevin, xiivi, less of Frozen now, kinda Mentos, and a lot of Riddler

What do you think about Kevin's posts so far up to this point? Scummy? Stupid?

i've, in detail, explained what i think about Kevin's posts.

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someone take my hand and join this Chibo wagon. i think it'll be a goood ride

 

[Omni]

ninja'd

aggressive omni is scum omni?

what would you like to see me do
sorry mlg happened

aggressive omni is aggressive, period. what are you trying to accomplish with that statement?

dont ask me what you need me to see you do, either. you know how to play mafia and when you're town you know how to play it decently well for the most part. it's only when you're scum when you start acting shifty and less confident

mlg would be a good excuse... if mlg didn't already end 3 days ago.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Chibo, don't make loose posts like that please. Randomly quoting and commenting [seemingly] arbitrarily chosen posts with one-liners is the kind of scumplay you showed in Pokemafia and Disney Popstars. It's extremely unhelpful to blatantly feign activity that way.

2) Gheb, when he first raised the point, he didn't say anything about it. It was only after being asked what he thought about it did he say it wasn't scummy.

Then what exactly is the issue with him? You accuse him of mentioning something that he doesn't find scummy - but had you not specifically asked for it he would've probably never mentioned that he doesn't find it scummy - which seems to be a big part of your problem with him.

Do you think there are active scum?

i dont like your question at the end. not in the least bit.

Why not? Inactive people are anti-town in any situation. But activity is not a protecting shield that makes the mere thought of an active player possibly being scum completely absurd. Some people think to forget that and I don't see why you would discourage the idea that active people can be scum. It's just as likely as inactives being scum.

 

[Omni]

ebwop: include Omis in that list of inactives

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Lynching inactives is OK. Basing most of your talk around them is not. Which is what you've done for the most part, Omni. Surely there are other things that bother you...

 

[Omni]

Chibo, don't make loose posts like that please. Randomly quoting and commenting [seemingly] arbitrarily chosen posts with one-liners is the kind of scumplay you showed in Pokemafia and Disney Popstars. It's extremely unhelpful to blatantly feign activity that way.

perfect reason for you to join this wagon with me. uh except kevin is still there so fffuuuu

Why not? Inactive people are anti-town in any situation. But activity is not a protecting shield that makes the mere thought of an active player possibly being scum completely absurd. Some people think to forget that and I don't see why you would discourage the idea that active people can be scum. It's just as likely as inactives being scum.

i agree with you.

the reason why i dislike it because the answer is exactly as you say, and it is common knowledge. that question reminds me of something like... "gheb, do you think mafia has the ability to kill?" kinda dealie.

so my dislike of the question wasn't me discouraging the idea that active people are scum. in fact, i said in an earlier post that i think one maybe two scum are probably blending in with the inactives which leaves 1-2 other scum who could also be actively participating.

 

[Omni]

Lynching inactives is OK. Basing most of your talk around them is not. Which is what you've done for the most part, Omni. Surely there are other things that bother you...

ninja'd...

Chibo's post is actually the first scumdilly kinda type post that bothers me.

but as i said earlier it's hard for me to be bothered by people looking suspicious when half the cast hasn't even posted enough for me to even derive a read on them. basically, i'm more bothered by people who have given no reads then people who haven actively participated and can be read as slightly off. does this make sense

 

[CT Chia]

i've said i'm perfectly fine with Kevin dying. why are you skimming?

I know you wouldn't mind him out but I was more alluding to why weren't you voting him?

mlg would be a good excuse... if mlg didn't already end 3 days ago.

I told Tom my VLA was ending on Tuesday, which is when I started reading. Got home at 2am Sunday night. Had to move out of my apartment and had class on Monday so those two things took up my whole day. Tuesday when I wasn't working I started reading and catching up on my mafia games.

Chibo, don't make loose posts like that please. Randomly quoting and commenting [seemingly] arbitrarily chosen posts with one-liners is the kind of scumplay you showed in Pokemafia and Disney Popstars. It's extremely unhelpful to blatantly feign activity that way.

It's what I have done in every single game I've replaced in or had to catch up in with VLA.

Seriously you guys, what else would you rather me do? I do that to show that I've been reading and offer some of my comments on what's happened thus far so I'm not just jumping back into this game with a complete mysterious past.

 

[Omni]

I know you wouldn't mind him out but I was more alluding to why weren't you voting him?

this, too, has already been answered by me. it's just showing that you're selectively reading and instead of actually tryin to get insight on everyone.

 

[Xiivi]

lol wow I'm 2 (v/la)-prods in already?

yeah I prob should replace with class but I don't want to because I'm not town often

I'm just going to throw my vote where's its needed so we can have an awesome townie train, although this is a tom set-up so there are prob only like 7 other people who are actually town and everyone is of various scumfactions (just fyi)

someone make a post that makes me think you're town (screw reading, discussion is scummy) before I have to go to class soon and I'll follow you! :D

unvote: whoever

 

[Xiivi]

Hi: Xiivi*+, Praxis+, Ronike+, vVv ChiboSempai+

Whichever of you who is browsing this forum and in this game please post thx

 

[Omni]

xiivi with the all-seeing eye

give me your vote, Xiivi

 

[Xiivi]

where is your vote in why

you have 1 sentence and maybe a fragment

obvious: restriction too lazy to think of anything else

 

[CT Chia]

So I come back from VLA and post some of my past thoughts thus far and Omni jumps on me

Xiivi comes back and doesn't post crap and nothing...

 

[Omni]

its on chibo because he's playing a lazy skimming, scum game as opposed to his confident, nonchalant, obv town game

ninja'd: im not on xiivi because he didnt open up with a half ***** selective analysis of a 8 page game

 

[CT Chia]

lazy skimming? i just came back from vla to 3 games to catch up on and am commenting on some thigns that have happened thus far with citing specific posts

find me a game where i HAVENT done this omni

 

[DtJ Jungle]

That just means your playstyle is inhernetly scummy, which isn't good either way.

 

[Xiivi]

how many people are on chibo? is it like a big wagon where everyone finds him scummy and okay with his lynch like always when he's town? also he's whining/deflecting already about it so he's probably town and upset if there's a big quick wagon on him

request: votecount

 

[Omni]

@chibo: are you suggesting that you are town in all 3 games because you did the same 3 things in all of these games?

didnt xiivi just catch you lurking even tho you know you have more contributions you need to be making?

and then finally you throw me the "what am i suppose to do" card as if you're completely unaware of how your initial analysis of the game was insufficient

are you surprised that i'm riding you? do you think it's not just? who else should i be on?

@xiivi: im the only one on chibo. he's whining because he's get omnigayed

 

[Xiivi]

hi jungle, post something about some other player besides the like 2 I've now interacted with

go: quick

 

[CT Chia]

Xiivi, what players in this game have you played the most games with and what players have you played the fewest, if not no games with?

 

[CT Chia]

Also thinking back to the OP, is the mafia leader a special role of sorts or is it almost like a mafia goon? I suppose I could go research the first ff7 mafia...

 

[Omni]

or you could stop trying to look helpful by meta'ing a tom-isque game and answer the questions i just asked you

 

[Xiivi]

god jungle I swear get off the phone and post what I asked of you request: prod lol

 

[CT Chia]

@chibo: are you suggesting that you are town in all 3 games because you did the same 3 things in all of these games?

didnt xiivi just catch you lurking even tho you know you have more contributions you need to be making?

and then finally you throw me the "what am i suppose to do" card as if you're completely unaware of how your initial analysis of the game was insufficient

are you surprised that i'm riding you? do you think it's not just? who else should i be on?

@xiivi: im the only one on chibo. he's whining because he's get omnigayed

1. I am saying that I've done this in every game I have been in, I said nothing more than that, don't put words in my mouth.

2. New posts popped up in my user cp, so I checked them out. I don't have time to be reading vigorously through the thread atm, I'm at work and studying for a final tomorrow and while I don't mind checking new posts on swf, I'm not gonna sit down and read through a lot of mafia.

3. I'm asking what should I do because I read through what I've missed, quoted certain posts and commented on them, and you're saying it's not good enough... so what do you want? Xiivi hasn't said anything about the game thus far since he's come back earlier today.

4. No I'm not surprised that you're riding me at all but I'm questioning why you are exactly. You've been harping on inactive more than anything else in the game thus far which is leaving a lot of potential scum hunting and content untouched.

 

[mentosman8]

Yeah, plus meta won't help. In the original game mafia consisted of a hexer, interceptor, and I forget the other one but I'm pretty sure it wasn't leader. Also, Sephiroth was the SK/marker in the original, so no connections to be drawn.

Anyway, I'm really wishing Kevin would start making some posts. His Omni needs to die post was not a good choice to disappear on for days without saying any more. While I know it's how Kev plays, the longer he goes with that as his last comment the more uneasy I feel. May toss my vote there.

In the meantime, some of the timing of comments has been interesting. The FF response to Nix doesn't really bug me, I took it as more of a joking way to respond. I was scum with him in the original FF7, and his scum game is meticulous, and so far I don't see any hint of what I know of(at least from what I know of his old scum meta, obviously I haven't been around a whole lot lately).

Regardless, I'm going to try to think up something to jumpstart discussion. If I can't I'll find something else to do. Either way works

 

[Xiivi]

okay yeah I'm going to be leaving for class now I guess

I've yet to be convinced of anyone being town but jungle

jungle get your lazy *** in here so we can start forming a town alliance already

also omg mentos why are you always scummy holy **** (2nd paragraph gez I don't even know what it's referencing but NO) vote: mentos what a good vote, town let's kill him plzzzzzzz I have candies and chocolates and chocolate candies for you all

 

[Omni]

1. I am saying that I've done this in every game I have been in, I said nothing more than that, don't put words in my mouth.

im sorry, but whats the point of stating you've done an action in 3 games if you don't have any reasoning as to why those actions were the same in 3 games. you're implying something so what is it?

2. New posts popped up in my user cp, so I checked them out. I don't have time to be reading vigorously through the thread atm, I'm at work and studying for a final tomorrow and while I don't mind checking new posts on swf, I'm not gonna sit down and read through a lot of mafia.

ok.

3. I'm asking what should I do because I read through what I've missed, quoted certain posts and commented on them, and you're saying it's not good enough... so what do you want? Xiivi hasn't said anything about the game thus far since he's come back earlier today.

stop pulling the, "xiivi hasnt done anything" card. i'm talking to you about your actions. gheb has already addressed why your initial approach to the game was insufficient. do you have anything else you want to add? do you think i should be looking at someone else (other than another inactive)?

4. No I'm not surprised that you're riding me at all but I'm questioning why you are exactly. You've been harping on inactive more than anything else in the game thus far which is leaving a lot of potential scum hunting and content untouched.

last time i'll say this: scumhunting doesn't work when half of the cast is inactive which is why i'm "inactivehunting". there might be scum who are active; there may not be. the most important part of the Day ESPECIALLY Day 1 is having as many people contribute as much as possible because Day 1 is all about information since finding scum is somewhat rare.

you cant hunt what's not there, and only targeting players who make themselves available is ******** when there are creatures still hiding under the shadows

@xiivi: huh @ jungle being town. i have a null read on him at the moment. explain this

 

[DtJ Jungle]

so yeah im ok with the chibo wagon now

vote: Chibo

hi xiivi, sorry was walking to class in the rain. Listening to katy perry obv .