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[Nix2100]

I know what V/LA is -_- and I'm bothered by both, He didn't need to post at all, so why would he just do a Random vote that doesn't help town at all when for all intents and purposes it seemed that we were out of the RVS stage?

@summoner - You all asked the same question, did I see anything that stood out during that conversation....and the answer to that would be No.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

You know you're supposed to say youre going v/la if you do so that everyone knows instead of just thinking you're being inactive/lurking.. >_>

Nix you said you asked those two the question arbitrarily, but then say you should've added Chaco now that you think about it. That doesn't sound like asking two random people a question. Why do you think you should've asked chaco? What would make you group chaco with those two?

 

[SummonerAU]

@ Nix and Summoner: Do you think that Omni's question of "who would you want to be your scum partners" benefits anyone other than himself as far as information generation goes, and if so/not does that make it pro-town or anti-town.

I don't think this is the same question Nix ;]

Are you saying Chaco's post was just anti-town or scummy Nix?

 

[Omni]

Omni, what exactly is your plan for D1?

same thing my plan is every game. look for scum and pressure/lynch inactives.

prod: Omis

why are u asking me that question

 

[Chaco]

I know what V/LA is -_- and I'm bothered by both, He didn't need to post at all, so why would he just do a Random vote that doesn't help town at all when for all intents and purposes it seemed that we were out of the RVS stage?

@summoner - You all asked the same question, did I see anything that stood out during that conversation....and the answer to that would be No.

I really don't think you do, I think you know it from us using the "V/LA" and relating it to absence. But I do not think you know the true meaning of it, which means you are either on vacation or will have a period of limited access.

Also, I never saw we were out of RVS, everything that was going on was pretty much just RQS and RVS, nothing that town can build much on at this point. The Omni v FF thing will get us nowhere really.

I'll be back late tonight.

 

[Chaco]

Also, before I go, it's common courtesy to state your V/LA for the players involved and the games moderator.

 

[Rockin]

Fine JF, I guess I'll accept it for now. >>

Nix - Not really a bad thing. Some people (like Tom) would use it as some...way or form to see where others stand (or something like that). If we get out of RVS earlier then usual, then that's good cause now there's information to focus on.

Really I just use those moments to just goof off and make fun of people

 

[Omis]

Posting real quick to say that Ill be posting later tonight. I worked from 8 am to 10 pm yesterday and now I have to go and work for another six hours or so. Will post when Im done.

 

[Omni]

actually not yet, but almost time to

 

[Omni]

Request Votecount

 

[Nix2100]

@Mark - Because I Feel like adding in Chaco in there now =P No real reason, just what i feel like doing.

@Summoner - Ah...that one I may have missed, that or i just forgot about it when i was answering other stuff. Imo it's one of those filler things...there's no way in knowing if a person saying who they would want to be scum partners is serious or joking and any answer given should really just be ignored, so I don't see that question helping anyone at all really...As for Chaco's post...it wasn't scummy, but I suppose in a way it was anti-town as it really did nothing to help move us along.

@Chaco - Eh fair enough, though i still say RVS =/= RQS but meh, I don't have anything else at this point so we'll just leave it at that I guess?

 

[Chuckie]

Sorry but I don't want to give away too much about that right now. If I told you my exact thoughts right now then you would not learn anything you can work with later. I'd rather let this whole discussion envolve naturally than to openly declare my intention - which might give scum an easy cop-out.

Unvote Vote Mentos

Cool beans, but don't make me chase you for an opinion later on.

I know what V/LA is -_- and I'm bothered by both, He didn't need to post at all, so why would he just do a Random vote that doesn't help town at all when for all intents and purposes it seemed that we were out of the RVS stage?

Nix I'm not sure what you define RVS/RQS stage as, but I'd go as far to say that we're still in it. There isn't really much discussion going on at all.

What I can't understand is why you are bothered by someone posting, even when they have an excuse not to.

I want you to be more specific. Do you think Chaco posting even when he "didn't need to" (as you say) is a sign of a keen townie? Or do you think it's indicative of anxious scum, keen to up their post count? You say "it wasn't scummy, but I suppose in a way it was anti-town as it really did nothing to help move us along." How do YOU plan to move us along?

So far most of your posts are like "I have no reason really..." or "I'm not sure" or "-_-;; >.>"

 

[Omis]

Im not liking Dr. Riddler so far. His most recent post sound like forced nervous joking.

Nix you sound like you are just jumping on Chaco for the sake of jumping on him. And really unsure about what you are doing.

 

[Nix2100]

You guys must have a different view on what RVS/RQS is, because I dont see much randomness going on at all here.

Im bothered because the one post he made, when he didnt have to make anything, was completely useless. And aren't we already "moving along" When was the last random vote? Your all asking me questions about something I've done, and Im responding, having a DISCUSSION.....I would like to think we are long out of RVS don't you?

If I Wanted to jump on someone for the sake of jumping them, It would be all over Rockin =P

 

[Omni]

Prod: Mentosman

 

[Dr. Riddler]

If I Wanted to jump on someone for the sake of jumping them, It would be all over Rockin =P

i'm sure he'll be happy to hear that

 

[KevinM]

Thinking Omni is our lynch today.

 

[Omni]

Nix I'm not sure what you define RVS/RQS stage as, but I'd go as far to say that we're still in it. There isn't really much discussion going on at all.

we've been out of the RVS/RQS for a while. do you think there's nothing to gain from any of the discussions/questions so far?

Im not liking Dr. Riddler so far. His most recent post sound like forced nervous joking.

Nix you sound like you are just jumping on Chaco for the sake of jumping on him. And really unsure about what you are doing.

you got "forced nervous joking" from "i feels ya"? do you find the point i found on him to be valid and/or scummy?

kinda disagree with your point about Nix on Chaco. if his definition of RVS/RQS was different (which seems to be the case) then others then Chaco inappropriately continued to random vote out of that phase. its not out of the question to jump on a person who continues RVS habits when the RVS seemingly ends

 

[Chuckie]

we've been out of the RVS/RQS for a while. do you think there's nothing to gain from any of the discussions/questions so far?

People are still asking questions randomly and voting for random reasons on page 2. i.e. Dr Riddler/Frozen voting Kevin seems pretty random to me. And I don't think many of these questions have yielded much information yet. There are little things, but nothing groundbreaking or really worth pursuing.

 

[Omni]

yea but i think we've got enough that we can start digging and creating a hole to open up real discussion.

how do you guys wanna handle the inactives? personally, i wanna kill them asap which is why i look to prod immediately whenever possible. the same applies to players like kevin who intentionally prod dodge and play in a way to intentionally avoid connections so that its a null tell from town/scum kevin. altho its null is poopy helpful

 

[Chuckie]

I like killing inactives and people who are unhelpful. But right now, I think we have too many V/LA's to make a good decision regarding that.

Unvote Vote Mentos

I would of liked some more pressure on Nix. He's coming across as incredibly passive to me, but at least he's posting.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Cool beans, but don't make me chase you for an opinion later on.

No need to. If it becomes actually helpful I will not hesitate to mention it. You should know that it's the way I normally play.

Thinking Omni is our lynch today.

Nobody cares.

 

[SummonerAU]

I wish Xiivi would come out to play

 

[Rockin]

If I Wanted to jump on someone for the sake of jumping them, It would be all over Rockin =P

That was pretty gay >>

i'm sure he'll be happy to hear that

shush Macman, you're not helping D:<

Thinking Omni is our lynch today.

Huh? why do you think Omni's the lynch?

 

[Omni]

seriously rockin don't feed the kevtroll. are you not aware of his antics yet? not sure why you're surprised

 

[Rockin]

seriously rockin don't feed the kevtroll. are you not aware of his antics yet? not sure why you're surprised

I was never really aware of his 'antics' really, or ever was. I can't say I'm totally surprised, but was curious why he suddenly say that. Wasn't sure if he was just bored, gauging some reaction, or just had some legitimate reason.

I just have this habbit of paying attention to a lot of things and when I play Mafia, when they make a declaration like that, I get curious about it and question them about it.

 

[Omni]

Lol @ habit.

well if u don't understand Kevin's antics then ok. figured you would since he's an old head. but listen anyway

the reason why you ignore Kevin us because he's intentionally being helpful. he's prolonging the game and wasting time by purposely omitting necessary info in his posts. he should have explained himself in his post. By not doing so he has pretty much said nothing over the entire course of the game.

Which is why I said not to feed the troll.

if he wants to keep playing like that he'll be lynched eventually.

 

[Rockin]

Lol @ habit.

what is this suppose to mean?

well if u don't understand Kevin's antics then ok. figured you would since he's an old head.

Nah, I could never really figure out KevinM. Sometimes he seems agressive and a bit of a jaw chomper (meaning if he finds anyone scummy, he would NEVER let him go till he's lynched), and othertimes he's just does stuff that makes look stupid (as well as make me wonder 'why didn't we lynch Kevin...?'). But both of those are outdatted metas and he semi recently started playing, so I don't have much meta on him (nor do I have an idea on how he thinks).

And alright, I'll take your advice for now I guess (but I'd still want to hear what he has to say at least).

 

[Omni]

lol @ habit meaning yea everyone should have that habit when playing mafia. its more like a universal, mandatory character trait that's needed

 

[Omni]

Ebwop: intentionally being unhelpful

stupid iPhone auto corrections

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Disappointed by this game's activity.

3. KevinM
6. mentosman8
9. Xiivi
13. Omis
14. ChiboSempai
15. Chuckie (Kataefi + Vanderzant hydra)

I can't remember anything from these players except me agreeing with Chuckie's vote and Chibo/Xiivi having V/LA johns. Frozen hasn't posted in a while too and I'm curious about what he thinks of my response @ post #80.

Will probably reread on Jungle, Summoner and Chuckie ... these guys are off the radar atm.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

K, I read up on Summoner and feel like he intentionally tries to avoid getting read. Correct me if I'm wrong but up to now you've only played rather passive and you post lots of one-liners with little content. You seem rather distracting.

Chuckie I'm liking so far actually. I originally had a bad feeling about him but that always seems to be the case if somebody is off my radar.

Jungle, do you have anything to say about the Omni/Frozen exchange or my opinions on it? Or the Nix/Chuckie thingy? Come on, tell us something.

 

[mentosman8]

Haha I love how work bogs me down for a little while and people start voting me for it>_< When will you guys ever learn that there are occasional times when work eats up all I've got and I don't have a chance to post every single dayXD

Anyway, really it seems like we're predominately stuck on the same topic of conversation. This is one of the few problems with getting out of the RVS stage so quick, is that discussion is stuck with a lot less to base it on. Anyway.

@Chuckie: You say you want more pressure on Nix, but you vote me? Not to mention you're talking about inactives 3 days into the game? With the V/LAs and the fact that some people don't post as often as others, how exactly do you judge that with such a small sampling?

@Omni: Same thing about inactives. How do you go about judging inactive 3 days into the game? Especially when some people are V/LA, how exactly do you decide to remove inactives when the sample size available is too small to judge how people will actually play the game?

That's all I got for now, but I'll prolly be back with more a while later.

 

[mentosman8]

@ninja by Gheb: I believe FF said he was V/LA for a few days as well due to travelling to study abroad and get settled in.

 

[Omni]

@Omni: Same thing about inactives. How do you go about judging inactive 3 days into the game? Especially when some people are V/LA, how exactly do you decide to remove inactives when the sample size available is too small to judge how people will actually play the game?

easily. just look at the people who are capable of at least making 1 post within the past 4-5 days. the V/LA people (Chibo, Xiivi, etc.) i've left alone.

so the sample size is not too small. it consists of you and omis who said nothing about V/LA'ing and Kevin who is intentionally prod dodging with a bunch of nothingness.

this kind of inactivity also becomes a TREND. i've played in enough games to realize that the players who are usually inactive in the beginning tend to stay inactive throughout the game and thus need to die. usually their only burst of activity is when they're so inactive they're about to be lynched.

needless to say, mentos, if you can't even abhor to Tom's guide of posting once every two days then u should've considered whether or not you could join the game like marshy did. i firmly believe that everyone has the time to post at least once a day and once every two days is super lenient.

so your question of why i'm starting the "let's kill inactives" this early in the game is to:

a.) get rid of them
b.) get the ones who are starting to trend to be scared of being lynched/modkilled so that they will actively participate in the game because:
c.) one reason why it's hard to escape RVS and jumpstart discussion is because severe inactivity

then what we have are inactive players coming into the game saying, "i think this active person is scummy. ok bye for 2 days".

ultimately, being inactive is anti-town. with more inactive players it gives scum a better chance/excuse to also blend in with the inactivity making it incredibly hard to distinguish between lurking scum and inactive townie.

so inactives need to die asap. if we can find someone being scummy in the process: cool

 

[mentosman8]

easily. just look at the people who are capable of at least making 1 post within the past 4-5 days. the V/LA people (Chibo, Xiivi, etc.) i've left alone.

so the sample size is not too small. it consists of you and omis who said nothing about V/LA'ing and Kevin who is intentionally prod dodging with a bunch of nothingness.

this kind of inactivity also becomes a TREND. i've played in enough games to realize that the players who are usually inactive in the beginning tend to stay inactive throughout the game and thus need to die. usually their only burst of activity is when they're so inactive they're about to be lynched.

needless to say, mentos, if you can't even abhor to Tom's guide of posting once every two days then u should've considered whether or not you could join the game like marshy did. i firmly believe that everyone has the time to post at least once a day and once every two days is super lenient.

so your question of why i'm starting the "let's kill inactives" this early in the game is to:

a.) get rid of them
b.) get the ones who are starting to trend to be scared of being lynched/modkilled so that they will actively participate in the game because:
c.) one reason why it's hard to escape RVS and jumpstart discussion is because severe inactivity

then what we have are inactive players coming into the game saying, "i think this active person is scummy. ok bye for 2 days".

ultimately, being inactive is anti-town. with more inactive players it gives scum a better chance/excuse to also blend in with the inactivity making it incredibly hard to distinguish between lurking scum and inactive townie.

so inactives need to die asap. if we can find someone being scummy in the process: cool

I can agree with a lot of what you said, although not all. Regardless, it was nice to see some elaboration even though I still think it's too early to consider anything really a trend.

For example, it is now 4 days into the game, 3 when inactivity first started being mentioned. It's right around back to school time, and I wouldn't say that one weekend of not being all that active is not indicative of a trend. Yeah, if it's been like a week and they have done barely anything I can understand, but a Friday-Saturday-Sunday(no, I'm not counting Thursday because the game didn't start until a few hours before Friday) is not enough for me to be willing to start the inactive bus.

The part about me specifically irks me though(not really in a scummy way, in a annoyed way, so this is pretty much directed at Omni for his comment). Everyone in this game has been around long enough to have played several games with me. Even in my best activity days, there were points where between work and other things I didn't really have time to post, and if I did was too exhausted to do so. This is nothing new, and you know that. Fact of the matter is I work a lot, especially on weekends, and there are times when reading a game and actually comprehending it enough to make a coherent post can get hard for a couple days. This is not a sign of inactivity or anything of the sort, it's a sign of me caring enough about the game to not try to make posts when I'm not in a state where I can be completely cognizant of what I'm reading. Working 8 hours in 90+ degree heat, +heat index, +the extra heat of some of the areas I spend a lot of time in is very conducive to exhaustion, and trying to read and post in a mafia game in that state does not work well. Will it happen often? Probably not. But will it happen? Yes. It's an unavoidable factor that I have had since I started playing mafia which has been accounted for in every game I've joined. If you would prefer me to prod-dodge on days when I'm not up to fully comprehend the thread, fine, but it does not effect my ability to play the game and is solely done so that I don't just build up post-count with posts that are made when not in full understanding of the thread.

 

[Chaco]

Oh boy inactive talk already. Omni, you always drive this as an issue and you were right about it in DGames Mafia. However, I do not condone of any inactive being killed after D1 really,if it becomes an issue we can all request replacement on that player. With that being said, I usually do not at all condone of killing off inactives because I usually can level with their busy lives and whatnot. However, after seeing that taken advantage of in that game I guess I'm okay with it going down on D1 but only as a last resort. I am going to agree with Mentos,and say exactly what I said in DGames why are you gauging activity this early in the game. You have had about 4 declared V/LAs out and it was the weekend. So naturally not that many people are going to post when they're out. So just calm down on the inactive train, just a bit.

 

[Tom]

"Would you kindly hurry? The heat is drying my nose."

Vote Count:
[2] KevinM: frozenflame751, Dr. Riddler
[2] mentosman8: Gheb_01, Chuckie
[1] Omni: Omis
[1] Gheb_01: Xiivi
[1] Xiivi: SummonerAU
[1] Chuckie: Nix2100
[1] Chaco: junglefever
[1] Rockin: Chaco
[1] Omis: Omni
[0] Nix2100
[0] Dr. Riddler
[0] Junglefever
[0] frozenflame751
[0] SummonerAU
[0] ChiboSempai

[4] Not Voting: KevinM, Rockin, mentosman8, ChiboSempai

Last Post:
0-24hr: Chaco, mentosman8, Omni, Gheb_01, Rockin, SummonerAU, Chuckie, KevinM, Dr. Riddler
25-48hr: Nix2100, Omis, Junglefever
Inactive: frozenflame, Xiivi, ChiboSempai (prods)


With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Wednesday, September 8th, Noon EST.

 

[Chuckie]

@Gheb: Being off your radar initially makes me kind of curious, especially when someone like Jungle wasn't. Anyway, which one of my votes did you agree with? I'm assuming that you mean you agreed with it mentally, because I don't recall you posting any sort of agreement.

Anyway, really it seems like we're predominately stuck on the same topic of conversation. This is one of the few problems with getting out of the RVS stage so quick, is that discussion is stuck with a lot less to base it on. Anyway.

I agree.

@Chuckie: You say you want more pressure on Nix, but you vote me? Not to mention you're talking about inactives 3 days into the game? With the V/LAs and the fact that some people don't post as often as others, how exactly do you judge that with such a small sampling?

I said I wanted more pressure on Nix, which implies past tense. No one weighed in on our little spiff (apart from a few questions from Chaco/Summoner/Jungle iirc) which I was kind of disappointed with, as I was trying to get some sort of 'real' discussion going. By all means he's not off my scumdar, but I can't really accuse him of anything else apart from being passive and kind of inactive.

If I deem a player as inactive I have no problem voting them. If said player doesn't like the vote they can either get more active, replace out or be lynched. Why I picked you in particular? Mainly because others were also voting you (which helps with the pressure) and I don't really have any experience playing with you.

I can agree with a lot of what you said, although not all. Regardless, it was nice to see some elaboration even though I still think it's too early to consider anything really a trend.

For example, it is now 4 days into the game, 3 when inactivity first started being mentioned. It's right around back to school time, and I wouldn't say that one weekend of not being all that active is not indicative of a trend. Yeah, if it's been like a week and they have done barely anything I can understand, but a Friday-Saturday-Sunday(no, I'm not counting Thursday because the game didn't start until a few hours before Friday) is not enough for me to be willing to start the inactive bus.

I don't have a problem voting based off activity if there isn't anything better to go off.

The part about me specifically irks me though(not really in a scummy way, in a annoyed way, so this is pretty much directed at Omni for his comment). Everyone in this game has been around long enough to have played several games with me. Even in my best activity days, there were points where between work and other things I didn't really have time to post, and if I did was too exhausted to do so. This is nothing new, and you know that. Fact of the matter is I work a lot, especially on weekends, and there are times when reading a game and actually comprehending it enough to make a coherent post can get hard for a couple days. This is not a sign of inactivity or anything of the sort, it's a sign of me caring enough about the game to not try to make posts when I'm not in a state where I can be completely cognizant of what I'm reading. Working 8 hours in 90+ degree heat, +heat index, +the extra heat of some of the areas I spend a lot of time in is very conducive to exhaustion, and trying to read and post in a mafia game in that state does not work well. Will it happen often? Probably not. But will it happen? Yes. It's an unavoidable factor that I have had since I started playing mafia which has been accounted for in every game I've joined. If you would prefer me to prod-dodge on days when I'm not up to fully comprehend the thread, fine, but it does not effect my ability to play the game and is solely done so that I don't just build up post-count with posts that are made when not in full understanding of the thread.

I actually don't think I (vanderzant) have ever played a game with you before, with the exception of maybe BIM, where I didn't pay that much attention to the game (oh, and you were my safeclaim in Dgames mafia ). So I'm not entirely sure how you play.

Unvote Vote: Kevin

Tell me why we should be lynching Omni toDay.

 

[SummonerAU]

Nix, when did Frozen ask the same question as I did? Why did you focus on Chaco's question if it wasn't scummy and what did you hope would happen after pointing it out?

Omni, I think it's a little early to start going after inactives. We've still got time and they'll have to prod dodge again before deadline.

@Gheb: I guess so. I'm not intentionally trying to avoid a read but I guess I am posting a lot of one liners. I'll try to avoid it in the future but generally I ask a lot of questions early game. If you're struggling to get a read, I'm town

Rockin, seen anything you thought was odd?