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You are not the entire scum team. Just because it makes you look bad doesn't mean the rest of your team can't benefit from it. There have got to be at least 3 or 4 scummies in this game. Wouldn't be the first time you've taken one for the team.
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I claimed in an obvious grab for town points. When does anyone, as any alignment, claim as anything but an obvious grab for town points. The answer is when they're already dead (see: Sokr). You grab 'em when you feel the good it does outweighs the rest. I claimed for the reasons stated because getting the information out there, in the event of my lynch should it be forthcoming, is beneficial to town in case there is something to obstruct that flow of information. We already had a quicklynch and a scare based on another. Everyone was ready for the day to end and you never know what crazy ol' Gorf'll do. I claimed for both of the reasons that you claim in an obvious grab for town points and in an attempt to divert the wagon before it could start. In general, you claim so that town has the information. The entire point of the sentence was to respond to your question of "why would someone claim with" with the obvious answer of "so the information is out there" followed by a question as to how ridiculous you were being. You then twisted it like a screw. I didn't mention that it was an obvious grab for town points because I do value my hide. I said I'd hammer myself but y'know what? I would have, but even that was an attempt to save my hide. What you were trying to do is lynch a townie regardless of your motivation. You admit, right here, that what you were doing was fishing for a reason to lynch me. Because I'm not stupid, you didn't get it; however, you wouldn't be deterred and made that incredible reach proving that what you're doing is trying to get a lynch, not discern my alignment.
Off the top of my head, reveal obstruction includes: Lost Mafia, where Ryker was the Jan. OS All-Stars, where Ryker and Circus were on the scumteam with reveal obstruction. Elements and Attributes had neighbors whose ability obscured their alignments as a trade-off. Gigabots Mafia, that Alex hosted, where mafia traitor Ryker was janned by his own team that had an abductor in Gova/Xonar as well. Full Life Consequences had an abductor in Kantrip. Majora's Mask hosted by X1 also had an abductor. Pulp Fiction had a one-shot janitor where the Nabe/X1 Hydra janned the Ryker/Ran lovers. This list is long and varied throughout DGames' timeline and I'm certain that other players in this game can add to it and all of Nabe's holiday privates have had obscured flips until certain conditions were met. If you ask anyone in this game sans Scary and maybe Dabuz, I'm pretty sure they can add to this list. The fact that you're saying role obstruction is something DGames is very selectively exposed to is straight up a lie and I'm not going to tolerate using that to justify your leap in logic anymore.
You are so incredibly wrong about everything you're trying to assert here. It's downright common in DGames for flip obstruction to occur and it matters to everyone in LyLo with a manipulatable townie, a scumbag is able to convince someone that that VT was a cop and was onto the other guy or even that that VT was a role that makes the other townie's role not fit into the set-up. The whole reason Jan exists as a role is because of what scum can do with that mis-information--Alex knows, he based an entire mafia team off of it (Gigabots Mafia). Do you sincerely expect me to believe that you think a jan on a VT is harmless when it could be avoided?
On the first point, sure. Now hang me for wanting to live. Do you know who I am? I have claimed governor in order to threaten people off of a scum lynch because I thought he was town. We instead turned around and lynched the governor. In MMX Mafia, there was an entire fiasco where Ryker said literally the other option is me and while I think he's town, I'll vote him because I know I'm town. Town always wants to live, so if you want to use the fact that I wouldn't hand you my head on a silver platter as a reason to lynch me, be my guest. See how far you get.
I don't buy it. I believe that you are a role who knew the possibility existed because I believe you are mafia. With an admission like that, you're probably indy. Why in the world would you not have claimed this yesterday when you were going hard? You apparently feel that it supports your case and could've reignited the wagon that I averted, avoiding the Frito M/L that, rather than pursue further (in fact, you dropped "long post" when I said was going to bed) and never went back to it other than to throw dirt in my face after you hammered Frito. If you feel so strongly that your role is condemning, why would you not claim that then and there rather than leaving your assumed scumbag AM to use his assumed Jan to bork your flip? Your actions do not line up with your reasoning.
Willing to bet it all. There's no way that town has been led in this many wrong directions without one of us flipping scum. The case on us as I've already stated is flimsy and terrible, it has the support of two players, both of whom I think are solid at mafia. You're not both this bad. I don't think either of you is this bad.
Nah dawg. Get the easy-chair out of here and put the bong away. It ain't happenin'. You get to share where you stand on this because I'm not going to let anyone sideline out of leaving a paper trail on this one. There's not a man in the game worried about appealing to you with their reads. We've already shown that neither of us is gonna backpedal under pressure so it's show and tell time, hombre. I don't mind you toastin' the walrus, ain't nothin' wrong with bein' chill, but you gotta impart the wisdom now.
You boys are NOT going there. I have done this 1000 times. Almost every time someone votes me when I'm town, it's one of two things: either scum trying to get me lynched or someone who has reacted to my play that is understandable and justified. Look at the beginning of the game--multiple people voted our slot, in response, I examined the people who voted and came to the conclusion that it made sense. It was an early RVS wagon and when people asked my thoughts on the ones who voted me, I said "I'm not mad because it wasn't a bad vote." What we have in this case is a horrific vote. It makes absolutely no sense and Circus voted for us before he found the one he's harping on and even now refuses to elaborate on the original vote. Tell me, Circus, with how very little you have decided to play this game, how else am I supposed to judge you other than your primary contribution: the push on this slot?
The last word is yours, this is all I wanted.
I was not aware he ever claimed what he did the first night. In fact, I and others tried to ask him if targeting somebody on the first night did anything but he never showed up. Can you point to me where his role operated as a roleblocker?
Cool. I'm taking this cue to hit the hay then. Should be on tomorrow night.
go **** yourself.
pretty please
