Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
What differentiates it being scum and it being null? Do you have any idea of Circus' meta, since IIRC someone brought up townCircus meta and I forget if it was you.
When I first read this post I was ready to throw a computer or something. Then I took a break before deciding to continue this thread.
FYI, i'm typing this off memory since crashboards, meaning can't bring up quotes from other pages. I'm trying to figure out where to start here.
First thing, this, you, are quite literally the type of player that makes me dread typing out walls. I don't mind making walls too much if I feel like people will read them...problem is people don't so it's actually read them (I learned this veeeeery early into mafia) so it's better to not even make the wall and try to summarize EVERYTHING because otherwise people won't read the walls. Like flat out this type of response is at fault for why you scum read me every game, it's either I go for quick little explanation posts that you will read and hopefully see where i'm coming from, going, and what i'm looking at, or I type a wall which makes my thoughts come out infinitely more solid but no one reads them, looks where i'm looking at, and then it was a waste and LESS useful to town than the quick version because at least the quick version is read.
Next thing, I don't even know where to begin with you now. I can't decide if you're being super stubborn Soup who gets a read and sticks to it or you're scum and are really being this bad. Like, either you're implying you DID READ the walls (as stated by the second underlined thing) or your completely ignoring my rebuttal (first underlined quote) which addresses the things which well, you wanted addressed. Quite literally I did the exact thing that you said you wanted to see, went super deep into my thought process and tried to explain EVERYTHING. You go with the super vague "it's simply not enough here." If you didn't read it, then you can't even make that opinion so don't start with it. Somehow you still have me as your scum read when you're not even reading a complete and thorough analysis...or you did read it and are completely ignoring it. Pick one or the other. I'm actually furious to have to be dealing with this, hell, if it was anyone else i'd be thinking dumb scum but you're such a stubborn player that I can't even tell what's going on in your head. I'm not even 100% sure if you did read the wall and are ignoring it or completely skipped over it.
Third, where the hell is the initiative thing coming from now? I may need to look at your previous posts when crashboards isn't crashing every minunte, but IIRC that wasn't even a part of your reasoning to scum read me UNTIL NOW.
Thanks for reminding me about the vote BTW, while I still thinky Marshy is scum (that should be obvious if you READ my walls), Nabe is a slot which has been bothering me (once against should be obvious from the ****ING WALLS). Like, IDK what to even do with that slot when it's like he isn't playing the game. For some reason Nabe is just going around liking posts with his name in it so he has to be reading to some extent...idk why he isn't posting stuff though. That post he said would be up in 48 hours needs to be like super amazing or something.
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Vote: Nabe
Are there any posts you have to support the underlined specifically?
I can agree with the intent part since well, I said this when talking to Scary, but his only true scum hunting content has been Marshy. Although some of his more recent posts I feel have had more analysis on the playerlist than before. (Quoting just to show you an example of recent analysis.)
I feel like this should be explained regarding why I didn't decide to vote you after pushing. Quite simply if you remember (and if I remember correctly : x), I was pressuring you based on what looked like your mindless pressure that wasn't amounting to anything. 2 things were brought up to make me be fine with that action. First is that you stated you did actually have reasons or get stuff from your play like Sokr null or null town (now I really need to check your play since IIRC you were on the Sokr wagon), Scary was a joke from previous game, it wasn't the most satisfying stuff, not by a longshot, but it was -something-. The second thing is that when I was asking around for your meta, people (including yourself) regarded that pushing like the way you did is part of your meta as both town and scum, now considering I wanted to question you because of that push heavy stuff, it made reads I garnered from that fact illegitimate and pursuing you any more over that wouldn't be beneficial BECAUSE I was questioning you on null meta. The Marshy vote explanation should be there...I did have the reasoning.
So, how is scum-reading me every game going for you? (Chew)
Swap on me null on first fell, like I've been saying I wasn't expecting anything really, but after Gorff hammered it was like : even though that was fast, there was like: 0 resistance to sokr by basically anyone. It was like this weird apathetic twilight zone of the townies involved either just couldn't care less, or just didn't want to think too much about it. i'm guilty of not thinking too much about it too , but still, with slots like Kary and FT around and even soup, there was just too much passiveness for me not to be thinking scum was sliding around on that wagon.
IIRC your first read of Gorf was town lean based on gut. I don't really see the point you're trying to get at here otherwise unless you're trying to say you think someone in the Kary/ FT/ Soup group is scum based on their reactions, or lack thereof to the QL?
I still want to say he's leaning null town but I'm not totally caught up, his intent feels legit behind his vote as I can see where he's coming from with it, but at the same time it doesn't feel like theres' a consideration to the rakeTown side and that his scum read is more based in opportunism than legitimacy, he didn't talk about me much so maybe if he laid out why he liked the approach D1 or w/e I' feel better but he's leaning around the same area as you where I'm not comfortable calling you better than null with a little bit of a scum by poe / my own worries feel. Although between the two of you I think i'm starting to like your slot a bit more as I catch up but it remains to be seen if that'll hold water.
I don't understand where you're really going here. You're saying Gorf is leaning null town despite not being caught up, but then you go to explain why you don't think this is the case and how you're getting a scum lean on him. That really doesn't add up man.
How do you feel about him ?
Leaning scum. First off, I think I've said this before but i'll say it again, that hammer was bad...really REALLY bad. Past that, he's a weird slot. He has lots of posts which are useless and if you read my wall, you saw I pointed out something where I didn't like how Gorf said he didn't want the AM lynch yet he was pushing super hard and acted like he did. There are moments that are bad like that in his play. Then he has posts like this:
A post like this which makes me think the slot is indeed reading and thinking and trying to look down avenues for town...but then there isn't follow up, it's kind of left hanging there, kind of like what I would do in FE:A except Gorf uses a lot more words. IIRC, There's also the opinion that (I can't bring up quotes due to crashboards) I don't believe Gorf and Marshy could be on the same scum team since it felt like in the early game, Gorf was defending Marshy really hard, like so hard that if one of them flips scum there is a good paper trail to the other, too good of a paper trail for decent players to leave as scum. I scum read Marshy though (as explained in my walls) so it's like I can't be confident on my Gorf read. I personally wouldn't like to see him go before Marshy at this rate.(878)
