Luigi beats Ike?

[-Mars-]

Hey Ike mains, it seems almost everyone on the Luigi boards thinks that Luigi has a clear advantage on Ike. Fireballs give him trouble, mess up his spacing, and his kill options are hard to get off against Luigi. Now this may or not be true

I personally am of the opinion that Ike does very well against Luigi. I don't feel that fireballs automatically give Luigi an advantage and I think Ike's range keeps Weegee in check. The IASA frames on Ike's fair and his combo starter nair work very nice against characters with limited range(such as Luigi).

I do think that Luigi kills ike off the stage........maybe i'm wrong on this as well. If any of you Ike mains would care to elaborate and debate the issue.........I would greatly appreciate it.

Here's the link: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=201610

 

[YagamiLight]

That's a fairly bizarre topic. The misconception that Ike has a problem against a fireball that goes about as fast as a snail does is an error that I hope Smashboards will get over soon. Seriously, these sluggish projectiles don't really phase Ike.

Posted a rather large bit in the topic.

 

[HeroMystic]

All I really said was that fireballs will be used to mess up his spacing. Not that it'll be the end-all-be-all in the match-up. >_>

*reads post* You did forget to mention about Luigi's Rising Tornado though, Light.

 

[•Col•]

Ike has an easy time edgeguarding Luigi though... o-o Lulz. Eruption edgeguard.

Lol, too be honest, I thought that this match was in Ike's favor for once.... xD W/e though... I don't feel like arguing with another board about a matchup...

 

[YagamiLight]

All I really said was that fireballs will be used to mess up his spacing. Not that it'll be the end-all-be-all in the match-up. >_>

*reads post* You did forget to mention about Luigi's Rising Tornado though, Light.

Oh, Luigi's Rising Tornado is a good move, yes, I just seemed to have forgotten to include it. I just mainly went through the topic and picked out things that people didn't really know what they were talking about.

When we do Luigi for the match-up guide, I shall most certainly include everything.

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

So after the mario boards being all kool with it the luigi boards decide to become lucarios younger brother?

 

[HeroMystic]

I don't think it's that bad...

Just that they were putting too much emphasis on the fireballs.

 

[__V]

Luigi has a very slight advantage over Ike, and it isn't because of the fireballs.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Eh, it's not quite as bad as the dreamers over at the Lucario board, but they are fairly bad.

Throw in stuff like our grab release on them and wall infinities, remind them they have what is basically the worse projectile in the game that does next to nothing but force a character that almost always approaches to approach. Sure, it can hit us of a few attacks, but that would be cause the player messed up, not a build in advantage. That would be like saying Ike can just use counter to beat the projectiles. (He almost can they have such crap range and speed) Show them the fact that all of Ike's aerials have good IASA frames, and tell them to stop dreaming. I would myself, but I have to go to a collage night thingy.

 

[Ussi]

Ike has the advantage IMO. He lacks range and does not gimp Ike by any special means (unlike his brother) plus luigi is edgegurdable

 

[HeroMystic]

Don't you mean unlike his brother?

 

[Steeler]

luigi can combo ike with a crazy chain though...luigi is kind of like a less mobile, floatier squirtle.

 

[Ussi]

sorry hero bad grammer

Most "combos" are DIable. luigi combos everyone the same basically

 

[viparagon]

luigi can combo ike with a crazy chain though...luigi is kind of like a less mobile, floatier squirtle.who can combo and kill alot easier.

Fix'd FGJ woo!

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

The combos that Luigi has on Ike will probably be negated by Jab combos Ike has. I say on average Ike can get in 3 jab combos which could very easily be 20%+ each. The first one should be 25 right off the bat.

 

[YagamiLight]

luigi can combo ike with a crazy chain though...luigi is kind of like a less mobile, floatier squirtle.

Unfortunately Ike can't chaingrab Luigi, can he? Eh? eH?

 

[HeroMystic]

Ouch. That was a burn.

 

[doom dragon 105]

Ike looses agaist alot of people, imo he should be lower on the teir list

 

[XACE-K]

To me Ike=Luigi from my experience. Both can gimp each other, Ike has his power and above average hitboxes while Luigi has combos and such.

Are you Weegee mains being greedy? Can't you just let Ike have 1 match-up where he has the advantage?

 

[Guilhe]

I know this matchup very well, and Ike has the advantage in my opinion. I've written a guide with the collaboration of three Luigi mainers, supervised by hippiedude92, which shall be published at our board matchup guide whenever Luigi will be discussed. This guide shall explain how Ike has the 60:40.

 

[YagamiLight]

I know this matchup very well, and Ike has the advantage in my opinion. I've written a guide with the collaboration of three Luigi mainers, supervised by hippiedude92, which shall be published at our board matchup guide whenever Luigi will be discussed. This guide shall explain how Ike has the 60:40.

Since you have some magical guide written, I am forced to make Luigi Number 19. Before that, however, we must finish the TL discussion.

 

[Guilhe]

Halleluiah! Thank you Light.

 

[HeroMystic]

Huh, I honestly thought it was just an even match-up, but you + Luigi mains say it's 60/40?

I look forward to this.

 

[Ussi]

hero you can't think it's even just cause Mario is (hope you don't). Mario has more options against Ike than luigi. And ike gimps luigi better than he gimps Ike. He's open for hurt. Hell eruption is easy to use on weegee

Otherwise I wonder why you think it's even now? Anything I can see luigi having Ike deals with much worse with other people. I'm prone to compare him to Mario since they both have to use aerials on ike to win and they have similiar aerials in terms of range/speed. Well i'll leave guilhe to explain this when the time comes

 

[Kinzer]

God, does every freaking character board with a projectile just have to automatically assume that since Ike is forced to go Melee on them that he's at a disadvantage?

Really the Mario boards were awesome, and we all came to a settled slight advantage for Mario.

I wouldn't be surprised at the least bit if it came down to Ike having a slight advantage on Luigi.

 

[HeroMystic]

hero you can't think it's even just cause Mario is (hope you don't).

Course I don't think that. That's like saying Fox is just as hard as Falco is.

(It's slight advantage Mario btw)

Mario has more options against Ike than luigi. And ike gimps luigi better than he gimps Ike. He's open for hurt. Hell eruption is easy to use on weegee

Otherwise I wonder why you think it's even now? Anything I can see luigi having Ike deals with much worse with other people. I'm prone to compare him to Mario since they both have to use aerials on ike to win and they have similiar aerials in terms of range/speed.

I only saw it as even because Luigi has much better KO moves than Mario does. FJP, (Sliding) F-Smash, and N-air (with a low cieling). And with that in mind, if the Luigi is good at powershielding/spotdodge, he can punish Ike for it.

I figured that would be enough to cause it to be even, but I'm not a Luigi main, so I can be persuaded.

Oh, and Luigi's aerials are worse to combo with than Mario's are due to his horrible aerial mobility. With good DI, Luigi can't do much comboing. So don't worry, I know what I'm talking about.

 

[Ussi]

Ike beats Luigi's ground game. Sliding fsmash takes more time than Ike's ftilt since it NEEDS to charge to get distance

45/55 is basically nuetral

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

Huh, I honestly thought it was just an even match-up, but you + Luigi mains say it's 60/40?

I look forward to this.

I stole the spotlight from Guilhe you can go read it right now lol.


edit: I don't actually think its marios slight advantage though but I'll leave that till we discuss it.

 

[Locuan]

Oh, and Luigi's aerials are worse to combo with than Mario's are due to his horrible aerial mobility. With good DI, Luigi can't do much comboing. So don't worry, I know what I'm talking about.

what?

0:00-0:09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkSaWDo0gzA

Note: I'll post my opinion when I get the chance have a lot of work to do so right now so I'll post today or tomorrow with my opinion.

 

[HeroMystic]

^I can argue that's just juggling, but I'll just rephrase that Luigi is good at vertical combos, but not horizontal.

 

[SaltyKracka]

what?

0:00-0:09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkSaWDo0gzA

Note: I'll post my opinion when I get the chance have a lot of work to do so right now so I'll post today or tomorrow with my opinion.

Welcome to the "Ankoku isn't that good of a Marth" thread. Owate.

 

[Ussi]

that marth made me cry... -emblem lord moment-

I only saw luigi do dthrow to uair x 2 only twice. Yea...

 

[HeroMystic]

Hmm... I need to get better at disregarding bad arguments instead of just taking them.

 

[SaltyKracka]

Hmm... I need to get better at disregarding bad arguments instead of just taking them.

Just follow my lead. When they post a vid of somebody getting 3-stocked, said person must obviously suck. End of video discussion.

 

[Locuan]

Well we have to point out that there are no real "combos" in brawl but still you have a point in the vertical/horizontal aspect. :D

EDIT: Ankoku won the set do a bit more research before arriving to conclusions. That's just an example vid. If you want to see all of the set just search for it in youtube or go to the Luigi vid thread.

 

[Guilhe]

what?

0:00-0:09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkSaWDo0gzA

Note: I'll post my opinion when I get the chance have a lot of work to do so right now so I'll post today or tomorrow with my opinion.

What an impeccable spacing!

 

[Ussi]

Ok combos don't exist, so therotically Ike can hurt luigi worse than he can hurt him since Ike's attacks do more damage. Any small combos, Ike has a bigger damaging one. (nair to jab) luigi lacks a significant speed advantage to outweight being outranged.

 

[SaltyKracka]

Well we have to point out that there are no real "combos" in brawl but still you have a point in the vertical/horizontal aspect. :D

EDIT: Ankoku won the set do a bit more research before arriving to conclusions. That's just an example vid. If you want to see all of the set just search for it in youtube or go to the Luigi vid thread.

So basically what you posted was a vid of somebody screwing up. Once. Kindly don't ever use this argument again. It really doesn't prove anything, and makes you look rather simplistic.

 

[Locuan]

That vid was meant to showcase the 0:00-0:09 section of the vid not the whole video, were Hero was stating that Luigi could not chain an attack. If you READ the previous posts you would have an idea of what I meant.

That video was not intended to prove anything against the Ike matchup.

 

[Ussi]

/misunderstanding