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I thought it was 5? *shrug*
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Louie's Notes-Olimar Q&A Thread!!
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Sounds about right =]It's just a vid on how the black man needs to exterminate the white man
Oh, 5 is standing grab, pivot grab/dash grab comes out on 7. ma bad.
Geddan
Smash Ace
Geddan
Smash Ace
what i do is i use L as jump and to do anything OoS i just press L as the same time as w/e i'm doing.
DtJ Hilt
Little Lizard
lol no, costume colors don't change anything
Sabeta
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I still can't do the double Pikmin toss. (Short hop, Somehow toss once, let go of direction, toss again, while moving backwards)
and I also need to know how I can tighten up my controls. I can't control my sh, or my tilts very well. It's more or less all smashes with with me.
and I also need to know how I can tighten up my controls. I can't control my sh, or my tilts very well. It's more or less all smashes with with me.
Slain Avenger
Smash Ace
That's all about practice. I used to not be able to control my SH for Falco and it took me a long time to actually get it down.
As far as the double pikmin toss, it's all about quick fingers, you'll get used to it in a while.
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Smash Hero
DI you just need to work on and focus over time. The most important part is the fastfall after Fairing.
For SHDPT, are you SH with tap jump or a button? It's harder with tap jump, but even with a jump button you have to train your fingers to do it properly and toss in the right direction without moving forward.
Sabeta
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Well, I figured what appears to be a "Pseudo" Short hop, by immediately slamming down on the joypad as soon I start the jump. Is that Jump cancelling? Either way, I barely get an inch, and can use my Fair or dair as I please, but because of how tight the timing is, SHDPT is impossible with it.
I dislike jumping via button command, I prefer to have tap jump on, ~Shrugs~
I'm also using the Wiimote+Nunchuck, I have my D-Pad set to work like C-Sticking.
I dislike jumping via button command, I prefer to have tap jump on, ~Shrugs~
I'm also using the Wiimote+Nunchuck, I have my D-Pad set to work like C-Sticking.
PSI.kick
Smash Lord
Fixed for ya*
sebeta, my friend uses wii mote with controls that i thought were really weird at first, but then i realized they were probably the best i've ever seen for that controller.
Try this, it will seem weird at first, but don't knock it till you've tried it.
Jump - control pad down
attack - a
specials - b
grab - c or z
shield - c or z
tap jump.... eh i hate it, try not to use it for much except for things OoS, it's just a bad habit imo... I would personally suggest turning it off man... seriously.
usmash (or dsmash, whichever you use the most, for oli i'd suggest usmash) - control pad down
side taunt - control pad left/right... or if you so please forward smash...
ok, try those out and see if it helps you, i can't stand wii mote, but with these controls i can actually use it and its not so bad. Its actually a lot like gcn controller lol...
and for short hopping, just lightly tap the jump button, don't try to jump up then slam down... it's just complicated and most likely will screw you over for something else.
Sabeta
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lightly tapping will net me with a full jump more than half the time >.>
I really dislike Gc controller. Wiimote is much better for me. I'm actually using those controls with the exception of Control Pad Down=Jump. How do you "C-stick" like that?
I really dislike Gc controller. Wiimote is much better for me. I'm actually using those controls with the exception of Control Pad Down=Jump. How do you "C-stick" like that?
PSI.kick
Smash Lord
you don't need c-sticking, if you did you would use gcn controller. Wii has advantages but gcn has a c-stick... lol
what are you using for jump then? just try it like that... i have a hard time sh'ing with the c button on a wii mote, but when i used those controls i got it in a snap.
a good way to practice sh is with ness, just go to training and tap the jump button then almost immediately after hit the attack button, it helped me a whole lot, you can tell major difference between ness' full jump and short hop.
edit: hitting the attack button doesn't make you sh, it just reminds you to get your finger off the jump button in time.
what are you using for jump then? just try it like that... i have a hard time sh'ing with the c button on a wii mote, but when i used those controls i got it in a snap.
a good way to practice sh is with ness, just go to training and tap the jump button then almost immediately after hit the attack button, it helped me a whole lot, you can tell major difference between ness' full jump and short hop.
edit: hitting the attack button doesn't make you sh, it just reminds you to get your finger off the jump button in time.
PSI.kick
Smash Lord
get sh down first without using tap jump... tap jump is a lot harder to do it with cuz you have to frantically move your left finger up then right then left then right then left and its just not cool. w/o it all you need to do is with your right thump you push a button, left thumb you move right then left after you've pushed another button with your right thumb, then right and left again.
The left motion of your thumb isn't as necessary for beginning stages if you are having trouble doing it, it just helps to move you backwards a bit so you aren't so susceptible to punishing.
edit: sorry for the wall of text xD
The left motion of your thumb isn't as necessary for beginning stages if you are having trouble doing it, it just helps to move you backwards a bit so you aren't so susceptible to punishing.
edit: sorry for the wall of text xD
Sabeta
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It's fine, I come from a community where a wall of text is almost mandatory. I'm actually in the process of writing a full-blown analysis for about 300 Pokemon with 2 other individuals (Pokemon is my current forte)
Anyways, I'll practice those things then, and see how it works out. I got pivot grabbing down, but I don't see how it replaces Dodge Roll (Although I've heard it's too easily punishable)
and what is Planking?
Anyways, I'll practice those things then, and see how it works out. I got pivot grabbing down, but I don't see how it replaces Dodge Roll (Although I've heard it's too easily punishable)
and what is Planking?
Kaffei
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Doing this:
while grabbing the ledge over and over;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4jYJ-Yjf3w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTHfcafE9ig
PSI.kick
Smash Lord
Yeah lol and that's why there's a max ledge guard rule... Mk is gay lol, but blue gloves is gayer xD
dodging and rolling is way punishable and really... really predictable. It's a good idea to get in the habbit of dashing away and pivot grabbing instead of rolling away and most likely getting punished for it. Rolling isn't always a bad thing, but it's not good to have it be a major part of your game, i've learned from experience. the people i play with don't really punish me very much, but when i went to a tourney a couple weeks ago, i got multiple tips/observations that i was rolling too much, and i was getting punished hard for it.
i feel ya man, some techniques can be hard, some can be a lot harder though. Just do what you can and practice the ones that will improve your game.
dodging and rolling is way punishable and really... really predictable. It's a good idea to get in the habbit of dashing away and pivot grabbing instead of rolling away and most likely getting punished for it. Rolling isn't always a bad thing, but it's not good to have it be a major part of your game, i've learned from experience. the people i play with don't really punish me very much, but when i went to a tourney a couple weeks ago, i got multiple tips/observations that i was rolling too much, and i was getting punished hard for it.
i feel ya man, some techniques can be hard, some can be a lot harder though. Just do what you can and practice the ones that will improve your game.
PSI.kick
Smash Lord
Not important really at all, there's a video that i think was in deflowered, ill go see if i can dig it up.
here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K7Vy66hOOI
although this almost never happens and when it does it really doesn't matter because you will usually die anyway, and the stuff he does is kinda hard to think about mid match. If you do have a ghost pikmin (or think you do) just pluck, odds are its not a real one and if it is, knowing that it is won't really help you at all. so just don't worry about it.
here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K7Vy66hOOI
although this almost never happens and when it does it really doesn't matter because you will usually die anyway, and the stuff he does is kinda hard to think about mid match. If you do have a ghost pikmin (or think you do) just pluck, odds are its not a real one and if it is, knowing that it is won't really help you at all. so just don't worry about it.
Sabeta
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Cool. I'll be sure to keep that in mind.
=Sabedit=
Tried out those controls. They work out waaay better. I died a couple times when I forgot that Up is no longer how I jump, but otherwise these controls give me, well more control. Now to master that infernal SHDPT
Any specific tips on that? (Sorry for the never-ending noob questions)
=Sabedit=
Tried out those controls. They work out waaay better. I died a couple times when I forgot that Up is no longer how I jump, but otherwise these controls give me, well more control. Now to master that infernal SHDPT
Any specific tips on that? (Sorry for the never-ending noob questions)
DtJ Hilt
Little Lizard
Sabeta, if you want info on Ghost Pikmin, you can find it in this thread.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=251478
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=251478
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Smash Hero
Come again? Unless I'm missing something or have been misinformed, Fair is quicker
That image is priceless and soul-crushing at the same time. The first vid I've seen before, though Melee planking seems just as boring.Doing this:
while grabbing the ledge over and over;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4jYJ-Yjf3w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTHfcafE9ig
DtJ Hilt
Little Lizard
What matters is when the move ends, not when it starts. Uair comes out later than fair but ends earlier, so that makes it better.
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Smash Hero
We've had this conversation before, haven't we >.<
DtJ Hilt
Little Lizard
Yup, we definitely have, lol.
Slain Avenger
Smash Ace
Interrupting the DI talk for a question I'll probably get stared at for. I know you shouldn't roll dodge with Olimar and doing so will probably result in getting punished cause he doesn't move worth jack. However, when we talk about replacing all roll dodges with pivot grabs does that mean I'll always be running away and pivot grabbing my opponent? Today I got punished a lot for trying to pivot grab both by running past and turning around or by running away and pivoting for the grab. I'm started to get confused by it xD.
Also, is SHDT really that useful? Couple of days some people were talking about how jumping before tossing was simply a horrible habit xD.
Also, is SHDT really that useful? Couple of days some people were talking about how jumping before tossing was simply a horrible habit xD.
pivot grabbing's usefulness depends on the match-up, same with SHDPT.
In general, SH'ing a pikmin toss is good when they're at long range, but it also makes you vulnerable. A lot of character's metagame in the MU is waiting for olimar to SH pikmin toss, and rush in before you land, so that's why I said it was a bad habbit. It's very good LONG range, mid to mid-long range stay on the ground.
Geddan
Smash Ace
rolling is a bad habit that we all have but yeah, you stated correctly that olimar's roll does jack ****.
it's still a useful mix-up though as a cross-up (sorry if i use this term wrong). just don't get read doing it otherwise you'll get ****ed. (pretty much never ever do it except maybe once or something lol)
also, while olimar's pivot grab is beyond gdlike, don't pivot grab to the point of being predictable; at least that's what it sounds like you're doing.
pivot grab comes out in 7 frames, sometimes just running away is a much better option as you can always shield cancel/pluck cancel dash into w/e once you're at a safe distance.
pivot grab is most useful for punishing landings and covering your retreat. it shouldn't be spammed as much as standing grab though due to the frame disadvantage (standing grab comes out in 5). learn to boost pivot grab since it makes regular pivot grabbing obsolete.
also... i'm ashamed to say i COMPLETELY forgot what SHDT was until now. :3
herpderp
it's still a useful mix-up though as a cross-up (sorry if i use this term wrong). just don't get read doing it otherwise you'll get ****ed. (pretty much never ever do it except maybe once or something lol)
also, while olimar's pivot grab is beyond gdlike, don't pivot grab to the point of being predictable; at least that's what it sounds like you're doing.
pivot grab comes out in 7 frames, sometimes just running away is a much better option as you can always shield cancel/pluck cancel dash into w/e once you're at a safe distance.
pivot grab is most useful for punishing landings and covering your retreat. it shouldn't be spammed as much as standing grab though due to the frame disadvantage (standing grab comes out in 5). learn to boost pivot grab since it makes regular pivot grabbing obsolete.
also... i'm ashamed to say i COMPLETELY forgot what SHDT was until now. :3
herpderp
DtJ Hilt
Little Lizard
SHDPT stands for Short Hop Double Pikmin Toss.
Geddan
Smash Ace
yeah i know, that's why i said forgot until now
i remember hearing it back in the day and for a second i was like... "what is this SHDPT??" and then i read it and facepalmed.
tossing = tossing in my simple mind. lol
i remember hearing it back in the day and for a second i was like... "what is this SHDPT??" and then i read it and facepalmed.
tossing = tossing in my simple mind. lol
Jane
Smash Hero
its like falcos short hop double laser. but with more slavery 
Geddan
Smash Ace
lulzits like falcos short hop double laser. but with more slavery
oh yeah i've been playing a lot of falco recently. co-main!!!
Slain Avenger
Smash Ace
Olimar is co-main to my Falco :3 Juicy match up selections.
Geddan
Smash Ace
yeah i'm learning stuff from darkmusician who learned stuff from dehf.
his falco is pretty good considering he hasn't really used him that much in tourney till recently.
his falco is pretty good considering he hasn't really used him that much in tourney till recently.
PSI.kick
Smash Lord
whats boost pivot grabbing? is that when like a stutter step only with a grab instead of an fsmash? if so then i do that all the time lol.