Link Social Thread

[Fortress]

Yeah don't ****ing start with me unless you know what you're talking about.

Calm down, scooter. No need to whip out the e-Peen here.

He's low tier in Melee. End of story. Melee is a very VERY mild exception because he's not Brawl bad, but it does not disprove my statement.

Fourteenth is low-tier? That's weird, because he is low in Brawl, but isn't in Melee. It's like, the opposite of what you said, or something. Huh.

He's still second to last in 64, so thanks for disproving your own argument.

Which is stage-dependent in SSB, which you'd know, if you'd stop riding your own **** and assuming you're right about absolutely everything.

And just because people CAN succeed with bad characters does NOT justify making them intentionally bad over the course of 4 ****ing games.

Are you reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally this butthurt over Link being potentially bad in Smash 4? Chriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiist. Why don't you tell me how you really feel?

 

[EmptySky00]

>Sick of Link being garbage in every gam

Calm down, scooter. No need to whip out the e-Peen here.



Fourteenth is low-tier? That's weird, because he is low in Brawl, but isn't in Melee. It's like, the opposite of what you said, or something. Huh.



Which is stage-dependent in SSB, which you'd know, if you'd stop riding your own **** and assuming you're right about absolutely everything.



Are you reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally this butthurt over Link being potentially bad in Smash 4? Chriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiist. Why don't you tell me how you really feel?

And I'm the one who gets the flaming warning. Whatever. I made one statement about being annoyed that he's bad again and you have to come out contradicting me acting like I'm stupid to boost your pathetic ego. It's not making you look cool. You're projecting hella hard with your childish "E-peen" remark though. So back the hell off.

And at one point he and YL were in a tier labeled "low. " and they haven't moved up significantly to my knowledge. So whatever.

 

[Fortress]

And I'm the one who gets the flaming warning. Whatever. I made one statement about being annoyed that he's bad again and you have to come out contradicting me acting like I'm stupid to boost your pathetic ego. It's not making you look cool. You're projecting hella hard with your childish "E-peen" remark though. So back the hell off.

No, I did something as simple as disagreeing with you, and you exploded into fanboy rage. I'm allowed to disagree with you, I'm allowed to say why I think you're incorrect or mislead, I'm allowed to call you out when you're acting like a brat. Get off your high horse, and express your annoyance with this some other way. Like, say, visiting SSB4 Link's character discussion and talking about it there.

Throw a fit, do whatever, fine. Your're the one getting penalized because you're the one acting out of line for somebody doing something as simple as having a different understanding of things.

 

[Fenrir VII]

I personally think link looks great in the new game... Very fast attacks from what I saw and a better recovery than Brawl.

Also the new dash attack is a killmove

 

[Fortress]

I personally think link looks great in the new game... Very fast attacks from what I saw and a better recovery than Brawl.

Dat clawshot, yo. Only things I want to change are grounded uB (not sure if you can 'angle' it, but the angle I saw it at looks funky), make u-Air less weird-looking, and... there was something else important, but I forgot it.

 

[EmptySky00]

Well anyway, I apologize for causing a **** storm by being overly hostile. I'm just removing myself from this to prevent any further hostile exchanges.

 

[Fortress]

Well anyway, I apologize for causing a **** storm by being overly hostile. I'm just removing myself from this to prevent any further hostile exchanges.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah that's even worse. Just keep being a part of the discussion. Better yet, get yo' self over to that thread I tagged you in to talk about hype Link ledge play jank for Smash 4.

 

[Heero Yuy]

Link is mid tier in Melee, then factor in Fox and Falco. Now Link sucks.

For 64, Hyrule was banned recently I think.

Link's not even awful against most of the high-tiers in Melee except maybe Sheik and Falcon. Spacies are just overkill to him though, especially Falco.

 

[Fenrir VII]

Link's not even awful against most of the high-tiers in Melee except maybe Sheik and Falcon. Spacies are just overkill to him though, especially Falco.

Oh god.

Sheik = CG 0 to death.
Falco = lasers overpower EVERYTHING you have
Fox = shine to death.

I honestly think link had a shot against Fox, but it certainly wasn't close to a good matchup. But Falco and Sheik... God they made the game impossible for our poor hero.

 

[l3thargy]

Okay so far I've seen several people saying Link Is one of the three best characters in this game now but I've never seen anything as to a reason why, so is this true, is there something I'm missing out about Link that's really broken and I should use the hell out of it, or do people just not know how to deal with a Link since you know he's been low tier in like every game he has been in.

I personally feel Link is a good middle character, but then again a consider myself a intermediate player that doesn't know as much about the game as a professional player would but still has a good bit of knowledge in comparison to a casual player.

 

[Fortress]

Okay so far I've seen several people saying Link Is one of the three best characters in this game now but I've never seen anything as to a reason why

Just people being uneducated. Link's solid, for sure, but he's not top three, not even top ten. I'd place him at 17-24, squarely in the middle.

 

[Heero Yuy]

Mid-high tier at best. People who figure their way around his wall can punish the heck out of him. The fact it's really easy to combo Link is probably his biggest weakness.

 

[Fortress]

Mid-high tier at best. People who figure their way around his wall can punish the heck out of him. The fact it's really easy to combo Link is probably his biggest weakness.

He's the 'Hylian Weight' for sure. Perfect for CG and combo setups. Not only that, but in the hands of an unexperienced player, his recovery is really poor. I would place him at high-mid, or bottom-low. Nowhere in the top fifteen.

 

[Heero Yuy]

We need a chain grab guide for Link. I mean, not all of them are guarantees but I know he has a lot of regrab options.

 

[Fortress]

We need a chain grab guide for Link. I mean, not all of them are guarantees but I know he has a lot of regrab options.

Most of the 'pseudo-regrabs' that I get with Link are usually something like grab > f-throw > jab > grab, which is pretty DI/percent/character-dependent. I've always tried more to capitalize on my grab to transition into Link's aerial game, with U-Air juggles, double B-air rushes, and the like.

 

[GoldHazard]

I started maining link on P:M because he's my favorite all time game character, plus SSJ4 Ricky displayed a ferocious amount of power with him while playing rat at Xanadu. Sure he lost, but the first round of that match was absolute dominance by Ricky.

I haven't had a very hard time learning link. It took a couple of days to understand how to maintain links speed during combos, and how to efficiently close gaps with him. I still flake on AGT once and a while, but not all too often. Zair is beautiful against larger targets and pisses off a lot of captain falcon players I know. Wave bouncing is slowly becoming less of an issue, and most semi decent fox players aren't a huge problem since I main fox on melee and understand how he works.

The most fun is jump canceling up b on ledges. LEARN THIS! It can be done consistently and is a VERY fast effective edge guarding tool. Just don't gas yourself too far off a ledge otherwise you'll just fall down at an angle without grabbing the ledge.

All in all I'm loving this character on P:M. If anyone is willing to provide some advice on how to consistently work AGT, please let me know.

 

[Fortress]

Do you mean 'Edge Slashing'..? uB doesn't jump cancel.

 

[Player -0]

Since when have people called it "Edge Slashing?"

A tip for AGT'ing: Hold up first then airdodge and throw.

 

[Hylian]

Do you mean 'Edge Slashing'..? uB doesn't jump cancel.

Up-b can jump cancel, but can't be jump cancelled. Using up-b to jump cancel while falling off the ledge is easier than doing it with tap jump off.

 

[Fortress]

Up-b can jump cancel, but can't be jump cancelled. Using up-b to jump cancel while falling off the ledge is easier than doing it with tap jump off.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the difference between a move being able to jump cancel, and a move being unable to be jump cancelled. I'm not wrapping my head around that wording like I think I should be. The only thing that I think of when I hear this is Edge Slashing.

Since when have people called it "Edge Slashing?"

If it's the technique I'm thinking of, then since SSB, yo.

Click me.

 

[Hylian]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the difference between a move being able to jump cancel, and a move being unable to be jump cancelled. I'm not wrapping my head around that wording like I think I should be. The only thing that I think of when I hear this is Edge Slashing.

You can up-b out of shield because the move can cancel your jumping animation. You cannot for example use fsmash to jump cancel something but you can use upsmashes and up-bs. Since you can cancel jumps with up-b falling off the ledge with it is easier when you jump first and then cancel your jump into grounded up-b, probably because of the downwards momentum.

I just call it falling up-b though.

 

[Fortress]

You can up-b out of shield because the move can cancel your jumping animation. You cannot for example use fsmash to jump cancel something but you can use upsmashes and up-bs. Since you can cancel jumps with up-b falling off the ledge with it is easier when you jump first and then cancel your jump into grounded up-b, probably because of the downwards momentum.

I just call it falling up-b though.

Fuuuuuuuuuucking Up-B OoS. I don't know why I wasn't understanding your use of the phrase 'jump cancelling' like that. It's two AM.

 

[Heero Yuy]

Falling upB is too flashy for me. Just turn around and fastfall onto the ledge. Or bomb throw the opposite direction and grab it.

 

[Player -0]

I just call it a falling spin attack too. Haven't really seen people call it edge slashing ._.

 

[GoldHazard]

Since when have people called it "Edge Slashing?"

A tip for AGT'ing: Hold up first then airdodge and throw.

Ha, gave this a try and it's been really helpful. I noticed when I did it before I was up-dodging while hitting my c-stick at almost the exact same time.

Thanks!

 

[Heero Yuy]

Getting my @$$ kicked never felt so satisfying. Played with this insanely good Ivy/Bowser and learned a lot of things, especially due to the fact he gave me good advice.

Great way to end the night. (no sarcasm)

 

[Pug]

I still have no idea how to perform this crazy awesome sounding falling Up-B. Could someone be a diamond and list the exact inputs? Do you sprint off an edge or something? Or just stand on it? An idiot-proof, numbered list would be amazing.

EDIT: Never mind, figured it out. It's freaking awesome.

But for anyone else having trouble:

1. Dash towards an edge
2. Right at the very edge, press jump
3. A frame or two later, press Up-B
4. Once you start falling off the edge, push the control stick back towards it to grab it
5. Enjoy the gasps of awe from anyone nearby
6. ???
7. Profit

I have jump mapped to L because I have Tap-Jump off, but if you have tap-jump on it's probably easier to use that.

 

[Heero Yuy]

Yep, you're about right. For me it's really hard to do and I don't like being frame perfect, so I just avoid the move altogether.

 

[Player -0]

I use tap jump so I'm just like, Lolololol and sometimes screw up and am on the very last pixel of the platform and the other time I screw up I jump then Up-B because I didn't input it fast enough. Yehh.


I wish it didn't have any landing lag if you landed during the animation, that would allow for some sick combos. Especially since Up-B has pretty much no hitstun.

 

[Hylian]

If you jump up-b without tap jump on it might be harder than just not JCing it because of the extra button input.

The easiest way for me to do it is to moonwalk off the edge into up-b.

 

[Fenrir VII]

man you guys are too flashy.

 

[Player -0]

man you guys are too flashy.

I try sometimes, did you see any of my tournament matches?

 

[Pug]

If you jump up-b without tap jump on it might be harder than just not JCing it because of the extra button input.

The easiest way for me to do it is to moonwalk off the edge into up-b.

I have got to try this. Hylian, you so stylish.

 

[DarkDeity15]

I kinda wish DACUS and bomb sliding were as useful as they were in Brawl. They're almost useless in PM. Oh, and falling up B is useless. All it really does is make you look flashy lol.

 

[Fenrir VII]

I try sometimes, did you see any of my tournament matches?

Nah unfortunately.. I was trying to stay outside as much as possible. that place was way too crowded. you do have some doubles vids, though. : )

 

[Player -0]

I kinda wish DACUS and bomb sliding were as useful as they were in Brawl. They're almost useless in PM. Oh, and falling up B is useless. All it really does is make you look flashy lol.

DACUS is still useful. Bomb sliding is probably a lot more situational.

Falling Up-B is useful. I got an awesome gimp before with it.

Nah unfortunately.. I was trying to stay outside as much as possible. that place was way too crowded. you do have some doubles vids, though. : )

Yeah, it was pretty hot. Hoping they don't wait until August to do another or do it at least so it's before school. I think I have one set and it's split between 2 videos lol.

 

[Problem2]

The only time I DACUS is to get underneath a platform faster to start pressuring someone on it. It's faster than just running there to hit them.

 

[NickRiddle]

Nair > DACUS is best combo.

 

[Deleted member]

tech trapping neutral techs with the boomerang into DAC is also amazing

 

[DarkDeity15]

You guys are totally right lol. I haven't really explored DACUS that much. I'll see if I can land a back air to DAC, or a Zair to DAC. But yeah, even getting a gimp with a falling up B is pretty weak. It has no knockback, but I think I'll explore that a bit more as well.