Link Social Thread

[Fortress]

NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL PROGRESS.

 

[Heero Yuy]

I love this Link board.

Pic related.

Spoiler

 

[NickRiddle]

This is the Link boards?
Oops, I thought we moved this thread to the Robin MU boards.

 

[mtmaster]

While this topic being kind of long, and me being too lazy to read 33 pages I figure I would ask this even if it has been asked before, but does anyone have any tips on using Link. In Brawl I used to main Toon Link, but with project M I find I can't really use him as well as I used to so I have been considering using Link, mainly because well Link is like one of my favorite video game characters so I figure hell why not. I know that Link is similar to Toon Link in a lot of ways, considering they have pretty much identical moves, but obviously there are differences in their weight, and their general range. I know he can camp, which is what I used to do with Toon Link a lot if I fighting something I considered an unfavorable match up against friends, but I want to try and develop a style with Link that is maybe a little more aggressive than my Toon Link style. So yeah, advice if anyone wouldn't mind lol.

 

[EmptySky00]

Work on movement.

Push him to Captain Falcon levels.
/Emptystrats

 

[Pug]

Learn exactly how different Link's projectiles are to Toon Link's to start with, and then check out the Advanced Technique Guide, contrary to the title it lists a number of really core techniques you should practice at the top of page 6.

 

[Soldner Kei]

I need to mess around more with AGT, I think is my most unused AT, and DACUS is that good for an AT here? he dosen't seem to advance that much, that why I don't use it that often

 

[EmptySky00]

He advances quite a bit if you do it correctly. It's just difficult. DACUS is awesome.

 

[link and ike lover]

He advances quite a bit if you do it correctly. It's just difficult. DACUS is awesome.

DACUS is awesome! If done wrong it will be easily punishable it can even cost you a stock. Comboing it up a bit would be suitable and they would be destracted if you are throwing projectiles like a bomb then they would be destracted and then use your DACUS.

 

[Heero Yuy]

DACUS > Dash attack on the badassery scale. As long as your opponent doesn't know how to SDI...

 

[link and ike lover]

DACUS > Dash attack on the badassery scale. As long as your opponent doesn't know how to SDI...

Correct.

 

[EmptySky00]

Dash attack is also very good actually. <_>
They have different uses so imo they shouldn't be directly compared because there aren't that many situations where they're interchangeable. DACUS is more for further reaching or covering them from above you (especially platforms). DA is for follow-ups and extending combos, it's also much faster.

DACUS is only really good for confirms or hitting them while they're in a position above you. Using it for a surprise hit is fairly decent as well though, but imo it's not optimal.

I noticed that with DACUS I generally do very well at aiming it without meaning to. What I mean is if I use it as a follow-up I almost always go exactly the distance I want to. When I randomly do it in practice I don't go very far. I noticed greater success depending on where I position my finger on the trigger. If I position it near the bottom part where it juts out I always get more consistent ones. It's weird.

 

[link and ike lover]

Dash attack is also very good actually. <_>
They have different uses so imo they shouldn't be directly compared because there aren't that many situations where they're interchangeable. DACUS is more for further reaching or covering them from above you (especially platforms). DACUS is for follow-ups and extending combos, it's also much faster.

DACUS is only really good for confirms or hitting them while they're in a position above you. Using it for a surprise hit is fairly decent as well though, but imo it's not optimal.

I noticed that with DACUS I generally do very well at aiming it without meaning to. What I mean is if I use it as a follow-up I almost always go exactly the distance I want to. When I randomly do it in practice I don't go very far. I noticed greater success depending on where I position my finger on the trigger. If I position it near the bottom part where it juts out I always get more consistent ones. It's weird.

You got Wiimfi?

 

[Heero Yuy]

Dash attack is also very good actually. <_>

Edited my previous post, FYI.

 

[EmptySky00]

Edited my previous post, FYI.

Lol I agree xD

You got Wiimfi?

No I don't believe I do? You mean wifi? I can't play that code set. Throws too much off.

 

[Heero Yuy]

@ E EmptySky00 Good move. WiFi is bleh.

So I'm going to my first real tournament today so I'll finally migrate away from my netplay-only habitat. The adrenaline in me is really pumping and I'm really nervous.

If I place top 3 I'll solo main Link forever, but if I place lower than that I'll pick up a secondary - most likely Mewtwo or Wolf.

 

[EmptySky00]

Don't expect to move mountains your first try. It hampers your performance if you're playing under super high expectations. Just play your best, and style on ******* with Link. That's what really matters imo. Winning will come with it.

 

[Heero Yuy]

Thanks Empty. I know exactly what you mean but the only tournaments I've been to were really small. This one will have 30+ people.

 

[Player -0]

@ E EmptySky00 Good move. WiFi is bleh.

So I'm going to my first real tournament today so I'll finally migrate away from my netplay-only habitat. The adrenaline in me is really pumping and I'm really nervous.

If I place top 3 I'll solo main Link forever, but if I place lower than that I'll pick up a secondary - most likely Mewtwo or Wolf.

Good Luck! Don't worry about picking up secondaries unless you feel like Link isn't the character for you.

 

[EmptySky00]

Thanks Empty. I know exactly what you mean but the only tournaments I've been to were really small. This one will have 30+ people.

My first one had hundreds. And Mango. 30+ is completely doable for you and I'm sure you'll do fine.

 

[Heero Yuy]

Stopped reading at "And mango". X_X

 

[EmptySky00]

When I saw him I was like "Wow he has the tattoos just like in the video." That sudden realization that the pro smash players do indeed exist outside of smash videos.

Don't know why that amused/surprised me.

I didn't get to play him though.


So I stumbled upon something silly via unorthodox means (a kid who was literally playing Smash for the first time did it on me randomly..)
You can like fall off of a platform and do the first hit of Zair and confirm it into a grab occasionally. It's sort of neat. Not sure how guaranteed it is, but it definitely worked on Umbreon the one time I tried it. It's probably not very guaranteed actually. 10 frame landing lag - 14 frame dash grab. But if you get them to respect you it can work.

 

[Heero Yuy]

Placed 3rd at my first real tournament! My only two losses were against the best P:M player (Diddy) and the best Melee player (Peach) in my scene. I'm really happy with my performance all-in-all. Only went Link the whole tournament.

Thanks for the encouragement all!

 

[Wolf_]

CEO. I placed 5th.
Lost to ZeRo.
Beat Sol (Sonic), KDJ, ESAM, DEHF.
Lost to ChuDat. Crouch 2gud

Wait Nick you beat KDJ? How!? Haha who did he use?

 

[EmptySky00]

So I seriously don't want to beat a dead horse, and I'm not going to cause a stir this time, but link's Bair is REALLY damn inconsistent. Even if I follow DI, against anyone who knows how to hold a direction, the second shot whiffs. I don't have this problem with Marth's Nair, and Falcon's Nair is actually a matter of spacing. I just want it to be reliable. It doesn't need to be omnipotent, but I feel like if I land the move I shouldn't be punished because my opponent isn't sleeping. It's a good move, but inconsistency nullifies it a good portion of the time. Other people I know agree with me too so I'm not just crazy.
@Hylian

 

[NickRiddle]

Wait Nick you beat KDJ? How!? Haha who did he use?

G1 Marth on Dreamland. He was up over 100%, I got a lucky bair > FF up-b semi-spike at around... 45%?
G2 CPs me to FoD, I go Bowser he goes Zelda. Pretty bad.

 

[Wolf_]

G1 Marth on Dreamland. He was up over 100%, I got a lucky bair > FF up-b semi-spike at around... 45%?
G2 CPs me to FoD, I go Bowser he goes Zelda. Pretty bad.

You beat his Zelda with Bowser? Hmm... maybe I ought to start using my secondaries in tournament haha

 

[Heero Yuy]

Wolf c'mon I think Link pwns Zelda. I just avoid throwing things so much.

 

[NickRiddle]

You beat his Zelda with Bowser? Hmm... maybe I ought to start using my secondaries in tournament haha

He took me to a small stage, what would you expect?
I was up 3-1 at some point, and then I played really greedy, it went to 1-1, then I just stopped and f-tilted him or something.

 

[Wolf_]

He took me to a small stage, what would you expect?
I was up 3-1 at some point, and then I played really greedy, it went to 1-1, then I just stopped and f-tilted him or something.

Haha awesome, and yea you're right that is a good idea, hopefully Ganondorf is good on small stages so I might use him

 

[Fenrir VII]

@ Wolf_ , I think you are the only high-level Link that doesn't resort to secondaries fairly often. but yeah Ganon does well on small stages... I really don't know his matchup spread, but it might work for you. just pawnch

I watched a set of you vs KDJ's Ike then Marth (not sure when that was recorded). I think you're real close on the Marth matchup against him... just need to mixup your techs and ledge game slightly. I wouldn't abandon ship just yet though.

 

[Wolf_]

@ Wolf_ , I think you are the only high-level Link that doesn't resort to secondaries fairly often. but yeah Ganon does well on small stages... I really don't know his matchup spread, but it might work for you. just pawnch

I watched a set of you vs KDJ's Ike then Marth (not sure when that was recorded). I think you're real close on the Marth matchup against him... just need to mixup your techs and ledge game slightly. I wouldn't abandon ship just yet though.

Yea, I get read on techs and at the ledge too much against Marth players, it's tough switching from playing one good Marth player (Sora) to KDJ because their playstyles are wildly different

And I have a plan against Marth, it's a new playstyle I'm gonna try out, and I wanna try Ganondorf on a small stage just to see what happens, if it's in Winners Finals then I have 1 game to **** around at least haha

 

[Heero Yuy]

Goodbye tether resets. ):

http://projectmgame.com/en/news/dev-blogpost-2-tethers

 

[EmptySky00]

I'm kind of ok with this. Forces us to recover more skillfully.

I'll miss Empty Tethers though.. (tether cancel retether nonsense)

 

[Heero Yuy]

Melee Link had only one tether anyway. I'll be able to adapt. As long as I can still tether cancel and UpB right afterwards, I'll be happy.

 

[Player -0]

Melee Link had that anywhere tether though. We have that free tether that's somewhat worse and AGT's.

 

[Fenrir VII]

I'm not sure I see the problem that is actually being fixed by doing this, tbh.

I completely understand the tether jump nerf, because that was darn near unpunishable on reaction at times, but the multigrabs... I guess I don't really think it's broken.

 

[Player -0]

I definitely like the tether forced jump nerf but I'm not sure about the re-tether too. It might be so if people catch someone without the tether it's easier to punish.


Punishing the forced jump can be super hard depending on the character and percent in the current version.

 

[phi1ny3]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but here goes. How does one DI+SDI out of Link usmash? I've had some succes with DIing to the side + SDI to an upper corner, but the results are hit-or-miss.

 

[Deleted member]

So my Link is lacking with his bomb skills, I can bomb recover and camp the ledge with bombs but that's about it. In the neutral I'm clueless on what to do with bombs, you guys got some tips?