Liar Game Mafia | GAME OVER! Who won the 100 gazzillion yen?

[#HBC | J]

I've skim-read through that post Circus but I'm just gonna be honest and say that I will not have time to respond to it till about Monday/Tuesday possibly. Working a show this weekend and then going to spend the day sunday with my girlfriend but like I'll try and see what I can do in between things.

 

[Circus]

Three or four whole days? Well, I guess I'm glad we got that deadline extension.

Good luck with your show.

 

[#HBC | J]

Yeah, plus I believe I caught a virus or some ****. (hopefully not) but yeah I'm out of commission for the next couple days.

Come home to see a wall against me and just ;_; more haha. Tis fine, sorry for being out but yeah I'm gonna really try and get at this if I can but I'm gonna try and sleep whatever this thing is off.

 

[Circus]

ugh the freaking AtE ugh J you're killin' me ugh

Get better soon.

 

[I am Zim!]

Voted |

Voter(s)​

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Votes to lynch​

Circus​

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J, July​

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2 / 4​

J​

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Overswarm, Circus​

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2 / 4​

Not voting: Asdioh, Sworddancer.

Voteblocked:

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline: Tuesday March 20, 11:59 CET

 

[Overswarm]

Fine with lynching J today, but not until after everyone's names and reads lists are posted. Get to posting them in the order described please.

J being afk right until deadline is fine since we can just lynch him anyways, makes it an easy choice. That and he hasn't read anything, merely skimmed.

 

[#HBC | J]

Do NOT just lynch me without letting me get a post in! It's incredibly not smart to do as such.

 

[Overswarm]

That was a post.

If you meant something else, you should probably post more. It's all deciding on how to spend your time, I know. It can be hard devoting a lot of time to this when you have free time otherwise.


I really want these lists to come up soon so I can implement the last thing I need to do today, and then we can do the contracts and the game will effectively be over.

 

[July]

Skimmed through all the recent posts, would really like to see one of the proposed contracts that is going to define the game from here on out. I'll come back and do a more thorough read after midnight, but until then I have a paper. Circus, you said I keep going into hiding, which is true, I've already said that school/life comes first, and I don't even bother coming on to post if I know I can't dedicate at least an hour to reading all the walls and responding.

Not willing to vote J toDay, I don't think he's mafia and highly doubtful he's the sk.

Take home midterm due at midnight, I'll be on sometime after that to actually read everything I skimmed.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

v/la until Sunday.

Job positiion opened up recently at Publix that I have a good shot at getting due to connections (jumping on that now), and party tomorrow.

 

[Circus]

Well, this deadline extension is going to good use so far. Glad everyone has so much time to dedicate to the game.

Circus, you said I keep going into hiding, which is true, I've already said that school/life comes first, and I don't even bother coming on to post if I know I can't dedicate at least an hour to reading all the walls and responding.

Okay. Maybe that's true. But when I say that you're hiding, I don't mean that you're busy with school or a social life and just don't want to respond to walls right now. I mean you're hiding hiding. Trying to stay in the background. Saying you have school stuff to do, as real as that stuff may be, doesn't alleviate my suspicion of you, because it's still just an excuse to be out of sight and out of mind. At some point, you do actually need to play the game.

Mafia has the most incentive to hide at this point. If they get lynched or NK'd now, their side loses, since there's only one of them left. That means making sure the town doesn't want to lynch them, and making sure the SK doesn't want to kill then. Coasting and being buddy-buddy with people is an easy way to try to do that. And that's what you've been doing recently.

Not willing to vote J toDay, I don't think he's mafia and highly doubtful he's the sk.

Take home midterm due at midnight, I'll be on sometime after that to actually read everything I skimmed.

You know, you shouldn't dismiss the doneness of a steak before cutting into it. That's a pretty definitive declaration to make considering you have been, by your own admission, skimming.

I'm looking forward to what you can offer once you've actually read. I think my 319 does a pretty good job of at least illustrating what I've been trying to get at about J, though it's a little messy in execution. But I think my 320 is probably a little more compelling, even though it's shorter, just because it's such a clear, concise example of J wanting to talk the talk without being willing to walk the walk.

Asdioh, where you at? And more importantly, where's your head at?

 

[Overswarm]

Mafia has the most incentive to hide at this point. If they get lynched or NK'd now, their side loses, since there's only one of them left. That means making sure the town doesn't want to lynch them, and making sure the SK doesn't want to kill then. Coasting and being buddy-buddy with people is an easy way to try to do that. And that's what you've been doing recently.

I'm inclined to agree.

 

[July]

Not pulling any stupid gambits? Not making plans for contracts? Did you read OS' wall, like at all? It was gambitty/contractual galore, Circus. =/

Kay, I'm not Raz' scum-mate. Why? Swords isn't SK, why?

Why do you now believe Asdioh when you were so adamant on lynching him? Whereas, myself/July/Swords were considering the possibility you were more like "no, lynch lynch lynch, this day is settled." You say you are likely to believe Asdioh, I don't get how from you.


Ya know what I keep noticing, it doesn't mean much and it could be added on to OS' theory of indy-slipping but you seem more worried about finding Raz' scum-buddy (BTW, How in the world are you doing this? Raz left no connections so how are you trying to disprove relationships based on those things?) than finding the SK. *shruggers*

Why is July left there and not Swords? Why have I dissapated below July? If you are looking for SK and you feel I am a bigger scum-pick, why aren't you pushing me over her?

I explained my Swords suspicion Circus. Wishy-washy reads all game? Hmm, kay.



Ya know, it's not just me expressing dislike this time so ya can't really get away with an "Are you kidding me" statement. True enough, he put him in that position but you were also trying to stab him with possibly being the SK as well. I don't get why. Asdioh pointed out dislike with your approach and so has July now.

Circus, I don't think you've addressed those questions, and those are questions I think carry a lot of weight. ESPECIALLY because from here on out, your read on me as your top suspect seems to dissipate below J now. You say that I'm your top scumpick but you've put no pressure on me. In fact, you ignored everything I said about you yesterDay, my vote and unvote on you, in fact...you didn't even address my #273, 274, or 280 despite having me as your top scum read at the time, but you did manage to launch into everything J said and did.

And you backing off Asdioh came out of nowhere, or rather, came right after my post saying that I thought it was town, except I actually substantiated why I thought he really was town, whereas you just moved on. Honestly, I think that J is asking the right questions and you are not answering them because you are pushing J because he's directly opposing you, and maybe you really do think he is the opposing scum faction, and you seem to push everyone else that you push because they are easy pushes. Asdioh was easy to push because of the gambit, I'm easy to push because of my activity, but it doesn't seem genuine or else you'd actually say what's wrong with my posts and my reads.

Your reads lack substantive, sincere-looking reasoning. Your posts suffer from a drought of critical thinking and (hate to use a term this vague, but) town intent. You are not voting me for any logical reasons. You've just latched onto how "negative" I've been and think you'll be able to build that into a genuine-looking case through repetition of suspicion and general FUD throwing ("man, I don't like the way Circus approached that." "Circus sure is leaving a lot of doors open." "Circus is just being such a meanie, that must mean he's scum because townies are nice."). You're not just wrong; you are observably uninterested in actually being right.

It's not that I think OS is the towniest player here. It's just that, of my town leans, he's being the smartest and is taking the fewest needless risks in regards to keeping our numbers intact. The truth is that I'm not seeing any scumtells from him other than the vague meta of OS being more interested/active in games in which he is scum. That is still something that bothers me, to be sure. But if I succumb to that, then it's going to freeze me up and I'm not going to get anywhere. I have to trust my instincts to have any hope of moving forward, and I see town intent in OS right now. If I'm wrong, then I guess he just gets to gloat again after he wins this game.

I disagree, I feel like one of the things J has going for him is that he has been sincere. His switch off of you yesterDay seemed sincere to me, even though you didn't mention it. His reaction to Asdioh's gambit also seemed sincere, he genuinely seemed like he wanted to take his time and think about it rather than a knee-jerk reaction of "lynch him". And saying that J isn't just wrong but "observably uninterested in actually being right" is ignoring the fact that Swords and myself also noticed your behavior as not just negative, but antagonistic to everyone. It's not just the fact that you've been negative, it's how you've used that to alienate everyone, keep them in a zone where they are still suspect and keep antagonizing everyone to a point where you can always shift back to suspicions on them. And where you do close doors, you don't substantiate them! You say that you are now leaning away from Asdioh because of his gambit, but what about it? You were ready to lynch him before, what about the gambit seemed genuine to you, or are you just shifting with town opinion?

You are conflating scumhunting with manipulation. I have not "[made] everything look worse than it actually is." I have pressured players and I have expressed reads and hunches about people based on observations. You are sticking to this point too hard. It holds no water to anyone actually reading this game carefully. I think it has been established pretty well that, despite the praise this playerlist was getting in the beginning, that some people are not willing to do any truly heavy lifting. I am. That's all you're seeing.

You've pressured players by straight up accusing them, but you haven't actually asked questions of them, even J. You throw out a statement or a scumread and from there your case is completely reactionary, DEFENDING the read rather than trying to further it, basically trying to prevent the player from proving you wrong. I don't think it matters what J says, you won't consider it or let it affect your read on him. I've had those type of players before, but the problem is you are doing it to everyone- you categorize them as scum or town and you waiver only when popular opinion pushes you there, like Asdioh's gambit.

And you actually make J's point at the end of this post that you make everything look worse than it is by saying that some people are not willing to to do heavy lifting while you are. Just because some people haven't gotten in as many arguments as you doesn't mean they haven't scumhunted, pressured people or pushed cases; once again its an antagonizing thing to say and gives you a reason to suspect pretty much everyone or keep the door open on them.

July is one of my top scum suspects right now. What do you think I make of her voting for me? She's just following your lead anyway, so it's not like it's worth much to respond to her separately.

I can't even keep up with your flood of bull**** right now. I'm taking a break, may be off for the night.

For what it's worth, I'm at L-2. No excuses for anyone if I get hammered.

That's a lie, I posted my thoughts and my reasons for my reads on everyone in my #280 and you just ignored it, so if you think I'm just following J's lead that's because of your apathy towards my slot and not my problem. You can't sincerely have me as your top scum read and ignore everything I've done and blanket it as following J. This directly goes against what you said about how you've been pushing based on observation; here you are clearly pushing me based on a blind argument that I'm following J without actually looking at my posts or focusing on what I've done this entire game to substantiate your read on me.

She is only your top scum suspect due to PoE. Oh for goodness sake, it isn't even that big of a question and you are making a big deal of it. She isn't just following my lead...she posted reasoning towards why she has you as scum.

Cool your jets, no one is going to quick-hammer you. Especially considering no one decided to vote for Asdioh in the entire time he claimed mafia.

Circus, if you can't keep up with my apparant BS why aren't you focusing on anyone else or trying to further your scum-hunting to clear up your reads on July/Swords.

You also really need to answer how you are making the disconnections with Raz' slot, but for another time.

One final note, a scum-tell, for me, that I have seen from Circus is this.

He isn't scum-hunting. All he is doing lately is playing defense/somewhat over-defense to me. I really cannot recall him scum-hunting this game where it isn't revolved around my attack on him, (no matter how asinine it may be to him, I don't see why he hasn't begun to focus on others, he's stated reads but he hasn't pressured anyone nor has he like DONE things to further his reads nor anything to really substantiate them fully.). He seems more self-involved/worried about the attack on him, in my eyes.

I absolutely agree with these posts and they say what I just said; you haven't really been scum hunting, you've been playing a lot of self-defense and you're concern over being suddenly hammered in a game this slow and with this many strong players seems like overkill, or over paranoia.

So what about J's concerns/questions here don't look genuine?

 

[July]

Vote: J

J will die today.

I'm not really sure what is "gambity" about giving town an entire other lynch and giving us a 50% chance to win regardless of who is the SK.

But before anyone is lynched, we're filling in the contracts. I'll probably write them up tomorrow and each and every player in here is going to accept them. Each and every one. If you balk on this, you die today, or if we have more than one, you die the next day.

All we have to do is fill in the names.

This isn't an option. This isn't a "gambit". This is giving town the ability to lynch someone when only two players remain. I think it's fairly obvious why someone who wouldn't want this can die. Should any townie live until the final two players, it is a coin flip based off of what the majority town decided Days beforehand.

If Sworddancer is the SK, I'm fine with him winning because he's played well. I'm going to reread him, but if I have a tossup between Sworddancer and anyone else in this game, I'm picking sworddancer to live on that alone.




Also, everyone gets to nameclaim.

Circus will pick the order everyone nameclaims.


Here's how we're going to do the contracts:

Potentially Pro-town:
3. Sworddancer.
4. Circus
5. J
6. July
7. Overswarm
2. Asdioh

One will be lynched. Probably J, imo.

One will be Nkilled. Probably me, imo.

3. Sworddancer.
4. Circus
6. July
2. Asdioh

At this point, there will be at most one mafia and one SK left, giving us a 50% chance at hitting anti-town.

if we assume that July and Asdioh need to die, July can be lynched and everyone else can have a contract that states they can only vote for Asdioh on the following day. Including Asdioh.

This will result in us having the most chances to kill the SK.

But let's say July is town and Asdioh is the SK. We kill Asdioh.

Circus and Sworddancer left. Circus is mafia.

Tie game, right?

Nope! Because we also have contracts going that says "if you get down to a two man lylo that doesn't involve Asdioh, you must vote for Circus for the entire Day phase and may not unvote"; the punishment would be modkill.

This would give us the optimal chance at winning. The only variable is the names.




I repeat: this is not an option.


Seriously, it is simple math.


Reading J's posts on the matter has convinced me he is either unintelligent or of anti-town alignment, and I'd bet it is the latter. Or at least hope.

No no, Circus will die toDay. J has actually been making points and providing reasons for his suspicions of Circus. Circus has just been defending his points on J into the ground without actually taking into consideration the new points J has brought to the table.

And why in the world is everyone nameclaiming? How is that going to help town, especially considering that scum probably have safe claims. The most likely result of everyone nameclaiming is going to be the chance that nameclaim makes it easier for sk to find or speculate about who the doctor is.

As for the contracts, I just want to see one of these proposed contracts soon and make sure there are no loopholes or means of exploitation.

I like Swords #306, the best thing about Swords play is that he is balanced. He looked at both sides of J and Circus' argument and came to find flawed logic on both sides, looked at Asdioh's gambit from Asdioh's reasoning and other's reasoning around him, and he gave a full read list which makes a lot of sense. Reinforcing Swords looking town imo.

@Circus' 319: J did use some FUD in the beginning, like uncertainty and doubt about myself which you point out, but I feel like you've used intimidation and antagonizing people to try and get your way, and that's been throughout the entire game and isn't any better than FUD. And it's not like you use it just against your scum picks, you've been antagonizing everyone and putting your skills and your dedication above everyone else therefore we should follow you and that's clearly wrong.

"You've seen me do it plenty of times before. It's not necessarily nice or always the best approach, but it's what I do and it's not a scumtell. I'm straight up calling you out, loud and clear. I'm taking overt, open stances. You haven't been, for the most part. Until only recently, you've been happy to just make jabs from the sidelines. "

More self-meta > you did this before and I hated it, and you are doing it again, and it means nothing to me that you say its not a scumtell, it's not objectively not a scumtell, just objectively from your pov because obviously you know your play. And I think you've taken overt stances, but I don't feel like you've been open about your stance on me nor have you been overt or open about your read on Swords.

"And that's just a subset of the wishy-washy, back-seat scumhunting I've been seeing from you this game. It's you "pressuring" July for all of five minutes before soon deciding "eh, I guess either Circus or Swords for SK, because OS and July just seem more townie because of reasons." It's you saying "OS kind of scares me so, you know, we could lynch him if ya'll wanted to." It's you saying "well, we might still have to lynch Asdioh, I don't know, I don't want to think about it." It makes it look like you're just trying to throw out option to people, wait for someone to attach themselves to one of them so you know how to properly position yourself, and then start reeling them in."

That bolded you take out of context, he backs off of me and OS AFTER Asdioh claims mafia- it seems genuine he would back off if he was thinking we could be mafia but not sk.

I feel like your reasons for finding J insincere and sidelining are so blind and narrowly focused. This whole post you are saying that J is doing things like this "You say you're tired and that you'll try to think of something to say later, rather than thinking of something to do (ask some questions? Pressure some people? If you don't know what you're next move is as a townie, then the logical thing to do would be to get other people to start saying things so you can build your reads, not to worry about what your next statement's going to be about)."

But he has consistently been asking questions and pressuring people, whereas you've been the one concerned about saying things and defending rather than pressuring or asking questions. Then there's the nice little addition about me hiding at the end which is really nice and really convenient for you to say when you don't read or respond to anything I do :-/

Well, this deadline extension is going to good use so far. Glad everyone has so much time to dedicate to the game.

Okay. Maybe that's true. But when I say that you're hiding, I don't mean that you're busy with school or a social life and just don't want to respond to walls right now. I mean you're hiding hiding. Trying to stay in the background. Saying you have school stuff to do, as real as that stuff may be, doesn't alleviate my suspicion of you, because it's still just an excuse to be out of sight and out of mind. At some point, you do actually need to play the game.

Mafia has the most incentive to hide at this point. If they get lynched or NK'd now, their side loses, since there's only one of them left. That means making sure the town doesn't want to lynch them, and making sure the SK doesn't want to kill then. Coasting and being buddy-buddy with people is an easy way to try to do that. And that's what you've been doing recently.

You know, you shouldn't dismiss the doneness of a steak before cutting into it. That's a pretty definitive declaration to make considering you have been, by your own admission, skimming.

I'm looking forward to what you can offer once you've actually read. I think my 319 does a pretty good job of at least illustrating what I've been trying to get at about J, though it's a little messy in execution. But I think my 320 is probably a little more compelling, even though it's shorter, just because it's such a clear, concise example of J wanting to talk the talk without being willing to walk the walk.

Asdioh, where you at? And more importantly, where's your head at?

First line is more of the antagonizing and condescending.

As for the first paragraph, I've really already addressed that but its so easy for you to say that when you haven't commented on anything I've done all game. In fact, you are really good at presenting J's interactions with me without even hinting at my own interactions back, so you are actively ignoring what I've done and saying I'm hiding in the background.

I really was pessimistic reading what you had to say because I saw J asking you questions and you just defending, defending, defending and never asking questions back or trying to really challenge your own read. And I was right, you never asked questions back, you spent most of your posts beating your suspicions into the ground without stepping back and at least looking at some of the validity of what J said, especially when the questions he asked, whether you liked them or not, were VALID. I think that you may genuinely think that J is the other scum, but I really think that you are scum too and that your pushes are much more self-defensive than they are for the sake of scumhunting.

 

[Asdioh]

ok, sorry I haven't read but I've been busy this week. I will get to this tomorrow afternoon for sure. >=(

 

[Circus]

Sorry about my rather long absence. St. Patrick's Day plans got rowdier than anticipated. Will read through July's recent posts later tonight. I'm not promising I'll respond to much of it, as a quick skim suggests there's a lot of needless J defense and a lot of misinformation or miscommunication that I'm not very interested in dealing with. If I really feel like something needs to be addressed, I'll address it.

Asdioh, it is now past "tomorrow afternoon." You got some posts coming?

 

[Overswarm]

July, do you think town would win if we lynched you, J, and Circus?

 

[Overswarm]

Also, everyone post their lists now.

Asdioh
Sworddancer
Circus
J
July
Overswarm

There are 6 there. Put them in the order you want them to be killed, yourself always being last.

Here is mine:


Circus
J
July
Asdioh
Sworddancer
Overswarm


Here's the deal. Asdioh may or may not be the SK and may be stupid town. Regardless, the SK won't kill him, meaning we get more information than we normally would since we'd all want Asdioh to die.

In my scenario, Sworddancer would win if he's the SK; he's playing a pretty good indie game and it makes me wonder, but at the same time Circus, J, and July are all playing very defensive and self-preservation styles and I'd rather just kill them for that. I'd really like some pressure on Sworddancer, but he's hiding in the shadows a lot. He sets my indie alarm off, but for now I'll put him at the bottom of the list. I may change this list as time goes on, but for now this is my list.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Circus, one of your main attack on J is that he's non committal. Simple question, what about his attack on you? He has been, more or less, on you all game. Not just that, but he's pretty much been the first on you all game. I really don't think you could make the argument that he "hasn't been scumhunting."

Also Circus I've attacked you before but you have more or less ignored it. What about that?

You case has some interesting points in it, but I'm going have to read back to see J's posts in context cus just taking posts out in a vacuum to make a case can be misleading.

OS I haven't been hiding, I've been busy. Besides from my v/la, I've also been very busy with school work, and still am. Sorry, nothing I can do about that.

 

[Overswarm]

OS I haven't been hiding, I've been busy. Besides from my v/la, I've also been very busy with school work, and still am. Sorry, nothing I can do about that.

I've been busy too.

Where's your list? Deadline is tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Actually, most people have already really made "read" lists, so I don't know what this is going to do but make things more convenient.

*shrug*

Circus > July > OS > J > Asdioh

Really am hard pressed to see Asdioh pulling that stunt off as scum.

mmmmm, Circus, I guess you can go next.

yo

10yos

 

[Overswarm]

Overswarm's list:
Circus
J
July
Asdioh
Sworddancer
Overswarm

Sworddancer's list:
Circus
July
OS
J
Asdioh
Sworddancer



If your list isn't above, post it ASAP.

 

[I am Zim!]

Deadline: Tuesday March 20, 11:59 CET

Deadline is in 28 hours from this post.​

 

[Asdioh]

ok, I've read everything @_@

Do NOT just lynch me without letting me get a post in! It's incredibly not smart to do as such.

This is a blatant doctor crumb, and as much as I hate that, it's making me even more inclined to vote Circus over J.

July, do you think town would win if we lynched you, J, and Circus?

OS, does town have any chance of winning if we lynch you at any point?


Circus
J
Ogreswarm
July
Sworddancer

There be my list. I don't see the need for nameclaims at all.

Are we still doing contracts? Don't forget that the deadline isn't EST, it's CET. Which means deadline is at 6:59 PM tomorrow for most of us.
I'm not entirely sure what our contracts will accomplish, but if it makes it harder for us to lose, cool.

 

[Overswarm]

Overswarm's list:
Circus
J
July
Asdioh
Sworddancer
Overswarm

Sworddancer's list:
Circus
July
OS
J
Asdioh
Sworddancer

Asdioh's list:
Circus
J
Overswarm
July
Sworddancer
Asdioh


Everyone else, your list.

 

[July]

Sorry about my rather long absence. St. Patrick's Day plans got rowdier than anticipated. Will read through July's recent posts later tonight. I'm not promising I'll respond to much of it, as a quick skim suggests there's a lot of needless J defense and a lot of misinformation or miscommunication that I'm not very interested in dealing with. If I really feel like something needs to be addressed, I'll address it.

Asdioh, it is now past "tomorrow afternoon." You got some posts coming?

One of my MAIN points about your posts is that you've been making pointless accusations/suspicions of me without even addressing me. Your solution to that is to keep ignoring me...makes sense.

July, do you think town would win if we lynched you, J, and Circus?

No I don't. My reads list is:

Circus
OS
Swords
J
Asdioh

 

[Overswarm]

Overswarm's list:
Circus
J
July
Asdioh
Sworddancer
Overswarm

Sworddancer's list:
Circus
July
OS
J
Asdioh
Sworddancer

Asdioh's list:
Circus
J
Overswarm
July
Sworddancer
Asdioh

July's list:
Circus
Overswarm
Sworddancer
J
Asdioh
July


J and Circus, your lists.

 

[Circus]

Well, looks like I'm the one toDay.

My list, for what it's worth:

J
Asdioh
July
Overswarm
Swords

This list is a little awkward because this basically goes under the assumption that J is the SK. If he isn't, then it's gotta be either OS or Swords, which would actually make them higher priority than either July or Asdioh. July and Asdioh are the two mafia possibilities, in my opinion.

Strong opinions: J is not the last mafia. OS is not the last mafia. Asdioh is not the SK. Asdioh's comment on J's potential crumb is ****ing awful and very much makes me think he's more likely to be the last mafia now, trying to make sure the SK's gun is aimed at J toNight, assuming J himself isn't the SK. In a scenario in which OS and anyone else are the last two people remaining, OS should be contract terminated, if you can set that up.

Circus, one of your main attack on J is that he's non committal. Simple question, what about his attack on you? He has been, more or less, on you all game. Not just that, but he's pretty much been the first on you all game. I really don't think you could make the argument that he "hasn't been scumhunting."

Just because he's been on me doesn't mean he's not being wishy-washy. All it means is that he feels comfortable butting heads with me because he thinks he'll be able to lynch me without much backlash. And look, he's right! Everyone wants me dead.

If you can find me one strong read from J on anyone other than me, go ahead and show me, because I haven't seen him do anything.

Also Circus I've attacked you before but you have more or less ignored it. What about that?

I don't care if someone "attacks" me. It's J's terrible argument that's bothering me in regards to him. You've given me no reason to think that your suspicions are coming from insincere places. Though if J's not the SK, then you're going to need to be reevaluated.

One of my MAIN points about your posts is that you've been making pointless accusations/suspicions of me without even addressing me. Your solution to that is to keep ignoring me...makes sense.

I'm not interested in lynching you right now. J is my top concern, not you. I'm not interested responding to you because I want to focus on J. The only reason I'm mentioning you at all is to get my read on you out in the open in case I'm too dead to say it later. And to be quite frank, Asdioh has done a good job of wrestling the "most likely to be mafia" superlative away from you. And at this point, I really don't even have any motivation to respond to you posts before deadline.

I'm done.

 

[Asdioh]

Asdioh is not the SK. Asdioh's comment on J's potential crumb is ****ing awful and very much makes me think he's more likely to be the last mafia now, trying to make sure the SK's gun is aimed at J toNight, assuming J himself isn't the SK.

You've gotta be kitten me. If J expected us to take ANYTHING else from that post, then he can go ahead and say what it is.

 

[Circus]

He could have just meant "don't lynch me until I've had a chance to respond to the points made against me" for all you know.

It doesn't matter what J expected us to take it as. The fact that you pointed it out suggests that you are not the doctor, making you a less desirable target for the SK, and could have potentially gotten the real doc (if J isn't it) to CC before J was actually able to clarify. The point is, if J had actually wanted to claim doctor, he would have done so. We don't need you pondering out loud about it. Rolefishing and all that jazz.

While we're sort of on the topic of claims, I'll just say that I'm Kikuchi Shou, Town Perceptive Trickster. I guess I used to be a boxer and now I have really good vision as a result of that or something.

 

[Overswarm]

Overswarm's list:
Circus
J
July
Asdioh
Sworddancer
Overswarm

Sworddancer's list:
Circus
July
OS
J
Asdioh
Sworddancer

Asdioh's list:
Circus
J
Overswarm
July
Sworddancer
Asdioh

July's list:
Circus
Overswarm
Sworddancer
J
Asdioh
July

Circus:
J
Asdioh
July
Overswarm
Swords
Circus



Just to clarify, finding the last mafia isn't really that big of a deal since he, at best, has a 50% shot at winning and we can make the contracts null and void after the Serial Killer is dead. It'd be good to find the mafia so as to have one less to look for when it comes to the SK, but whatever.

 

[Asdioh]

It doesn't matter what J expected us to take it as. The fact that you pointed it out suggests that you are not the doctor, making you a less desirable target for the SK, and could have potentially gotten the real doc (if J isn't it) to CC before J was actually able to clarify. The point is, if J had actually wanted to claim doctor, he would have done so. We don't need you pondering out loud about it. Rolefishing and all that jazz.

I thought my claim made it clear that I wasn't doctor, but I guess the fact that roles aren't simply "vanilla townie" makes it a little bit more ambiguous. I see what you mean, but that's what I was practically forced to take from his post.

 

[Circus]

To be honest, I don't even remember what you're claim was. And I had to go look up my own just now in order to post it. The flavor of this game is totally beyond me.

 

[Circus]

That's an embarrassing grammatical error. Nobody look; I'll cry.

 

[#HBC | J]

This is a blatant doctor crumb, and as much as I hate that, it's making me even more inclined to vote Circus over J.

I really dislike you saying this about me Asdioh because where is the town intent in pointing out a doc crumb (if that is what I did) in this open set-up? Don't know if scummy by what you did as Circus is taking it or just the fact that it wasn't smart at all.

By the by, if it matters, I said what I said as to how Circus interpreted it as me saying, "Let me at least get a few last words.". I mean, I am probably one of the most connected people in this game so my thoughts do hold some sort of stock. =P

My list while I try responding to some things now:

Circus (Leaning possibly Mafia>SK, however I could see SKCircus)
OS (leaning Mafia>SK)
Swords (Leaning SK>Mafia)
Asdioh
July
J

 

[#HBC | J]

If people require it toDay, I'll claim as well with Circus.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm taking overt, open stances. You haven't been, for the most part. Until only recently, you've been happy to just make jabs from the sidelines. That's the key difference.

This is not even close to true Circus. I have been no where near the sidelines this game and I have been on the forefront of most arguments. Don't try and belittle what I have done to mere jabs from the sidelines.

There is also a key difference between you and me. You have been taking stances sure, but you are just saying things without really substantiating them/expounding upon them by questioning them. Myself/Swords/July have ALL commented on you needing to explain things around the latter two and you tell them "You are not my interest right now and I don't find you as scummy as J." Sure, they are stances but they don't mean much. The stances I have taken this game have been backed up very clearly sans my like Gheb read D1. The rest of my stances have been known throughout this game so I am kind of miffed that you are suggesting I am holding back/not doing much.

Gee, I don't like Circus' tone -waits for someone to visibly start swinging that way- Hey, July, vote for Circus with me! :3"[/SIZE][/B]

That bolded quote is not even close to true. You say I waited for someone to start looking your way before I started pushing you? No way jose are you getting away with that one. I was on you from the beginning of the game and was the first to start swinging at you which resulted in your attack on me. I never buddied July just when I saw her attacking you for valid reasons.

You bring up that I said that July is a scary player, that's a fact. July and I both respect each other extremely well as players because we have both burned each other. The other point where I find it ridiculous you are bringing up this point is because it was a light hearted joke towards July.

And that's just a subset of the wishy-washy, back-seat scumhunting I've been seeing from you this game. It makes it look like you're just trying to throw out option to people, wait for someone to attach themselves to one of them so you know how to properly position yourself, and then start reeling them in.

Back-seat scumhunting....? Wgat? Dude, my scum-hunting is a reason why people find me as town so I do not get at all why you are claiming that I have been on the side-lines not doing much in terms of scum-hunting. This is a point people are using against you. Waiting on people to attach to my own ideas? x_X" No.

(ask some questions? Pressure some people? If you don't know what you're next move is as a townie, then the logical thing to do would be to get other people to start saying things so you can build your reads, not to worry about what your next statement's going to be about).

I'm bringing up this little segment isolated because this is purely opposite because I have been asking people questions, I have been pressuring people, I have been trying to get other people to do things so this point is just utter bull****.

In fact Circus, can you point us in the direction of you doing stuff that you say is of the townie intent through your logistics because there has been a very small amount if any at all from you this game?

You even make excuses for when you're about to do things like this. "I'm gonna stay out of the spotlight so I can read you guys better." Bull****. Such bull****. You step out of the spotlight so that people stop focusing on you, bicker between other people all Day, and then fall into some other lynch by the end of the phase almost by default and desperation.

The bolded just isn't true as well. If a game focuses around the same people the entire game begins to stagnant especially when I know I have been influencing a lot of decisions.

If you can find me one strong read from J on anyone other than me, go ahead and show me, because I haven't seen him do anything.

Hbu Circus? Is there anyone other than me you have a strong read on? No.

 

[#HBC | J]

July adressed most of the other points in her posts against Circus so I'm just gonna let the rest lay.

Uhm, yeah I still support Circus' lynch and since the deadline is in like 24 hours I guess it's time for OS to draw up that contract dealio so we can see what it looks like.

 

[Overswarm]

Overswarm's list:
Circus
J
July
Asdioh
Sworddancer
Overswarm

Sworddancer's list:
Circus
July
OS
J
Asdioh
Sworddancer

Asdioh's list:
Circus
J
Overswarm
July
Sworddancer
Asdioh

July's list:
Circus
Overswarm
Sworddancer
J
Asdioh
July

Circus:
J
Asdioh
July
Overswarm
Swords
Circus

J:
Circus
OS
Swords
Asdioh
July
J







J is the Serial Killer.

 

[#HBC | J]

No, I'm not. Could you indulge us as to why you think as such though?

Also if you feel I am the SK, why am I not at the tippy top of your list?