LGBT Smashers

[Queen]

I think Crimson King is trying to tell you that you should be using the word Statute rather than Statue.

Now that I think back on it, I'm really thankful that I didn't internalize the nonsense I witnessed from those people. I'm happy to report that Cheryl is no longer the director of that branch of Upward Bound. She left to take another job somewhere else. Woohoo.

I try to limit my intake of discrimination, I don't think that despair is quite the right approach to life. And you're right, I don't know that much about Asian-American discrimination, but I do study Mandarin and have an interest in China, so one might say, optimistically of course, that I have a greater eye for such things. o_O

We always make fun of Dale because he thinks that after law school, being a lawyer will be a breeze... Silly Dale.

As for me, I'm hoping to become a writer or an English teacher. Of course, I feel that either one of these will lead me to some sort of despair or loss of hope, but, hey, maybe I'm just being melodramatic.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I think Crimson King is trying to tell you that you should be using the word Statute rather than Statue.

Lol, ouch, and me studying to be a lawyer too.

I was sure I put statute though... maybe my spell-checker caught it without me realizing, *sigh* auto-correct. Oh well...

*adds to spell-checker dictionary*

Now that I think back on it, I'm really thankful that I didn't internalize the nonsense I witnessed from those people. I'm happy to report that Cheryl is no longer the director of that branch of Upward Bound. She left to take another job somewhere else. Woohoo.

That's good, let's hope it's not somewhere that discrimination comes into play. Though getting sued does tend to send a message in general about that sort of thing not being tolerated.

I try to limit my intake of discrimination, I don't think that despair is quite the right approach to life. And you're right, I don't know that much about Asian-American discrimination, but I do study Mandarin and have an interest in China, so one might say, optimistically of course, that I have a greater eye for such things. o_O

A bit of an overview, that site discusses the overall issues of discrimination pretty well.

The biggest problem in my opinion is that certain statuses are just taken for granted. Like discrimination against women, discrimination against Asians tends to be relatively low key (especially when compared to discrimination against LGBTA and African-Americans) but extremely pervasive.

We always make fun of Dale because he thinks that after law school, being a lawyer will be a breeze... Silly Dale.

Lol, yeah, definitely in for a surprise. Me, I know it'll be difficult, but I love it.

As for me, I'm hoping to become a writer or an English teacher. Of course, I feel that either one of these will lead me to some sort of despair or loss of hope, but, hey, maybe I'm just being melodramatic.

Eh, disillusionment is always a possibility, but you can't get disillusioned if you never give up, reach for the stars, do both.

Really the biggest thing though it to never accept defeat, if something bad happens, look for a different avenue, look for what your efforts did accomplish, look for weakness in your opposition (metaphorical).

It's truly amazing what you can accomplish if you just are constantly looking for loopholes.

 

[SkylerOcon]

Incredibly off-topic: I got first place in my track me Saturday. Yay?!

 

[adumbrodeus]

Incredibly off-topic: I got first place in my track me Saturday. Yay?!

Cool, what event?

I'm a trackie myself so... had to comment.


Actually it's a conversation topic, so the people who are not gay who say anything are the only ones who are really off-topic.

So anything you say is on-topic and anything I say is off-topic, cool huh?

 

[SkylerOcon]

Cool, what event?

I'm a trackie myself so... had to comment.


Actually it's a conversation topic, so the people who are not gay who say anything are the only ones who are really off-topic.

So anything you say is on-topic and anything I say is off-topic, cool huh?

Hurdles. The coach is moving up an age division though because I'm like 6'2" and at my age I'm supposed to do 30" hurdles.

So um... yay for moving me up to 'Intermediate' and the extra 9"?!

 

[Queen]

Whoopsie-daisy. You should hear the flack when I accidentally make a grammar mistake. Crimony, be an English major and you'd better hope that you have a flawless grasp of this ridiculous language. Chinese is so much easier. Zhongwen bi yingwen rongyi de duo!

I suppose you're right. There's something about losing money and reputation that really makes an event count.

Ah, thanks for the site. It reminds me of how some people look at languages. Some hear Chinese and say the dumbest things. Side note: Someone once told me that no Spanish speakers had contributed anything worthwhile to the world. I didn't even have a response.

Have you read Wicked? I feel that Elphaba's story has a sort of bearing to what you're talking about. On the whole, I agree that not giving up is the best path, but sometimes, you really do just need to stop (i.e. Elphaba).

 

[adumbrodeus]

Whoopsie-daisy. You should hear the flack when I accidentally make a grammar mistake. Crimony, be an English major and you'd better hope that you have a flawless grasp of this ridiculous language. Chinese is so much easier. Zhongwen bi yingwen rongyi de duo!

Yeah, I hate English, we were having a really pointless side-debate in the debate hall, all because in English existence is not limited to physical existence. And don't get me started on split infinitives.

Ah, thanks for the site. It reminds me of how some people look at languages. Some hear Chinese and say the dumbest things. Side note: Someone once told me that no Spanish speakers had contributed anything worthwhile to the world. I didn't even have a response.

Wow, just wow. But yeah, it definitely shows what our education system emphasizes which tends to include it's biases towards, what else? White European males. Except when teachers and professors decide to go overboard and make you think that caucasian european males don't exist, but then the bias is towards people of African descent and women (caucasian and/or of African descent).

The only way you find out about accomplishments outside this select group is through specialized classes.

Have you read Wicked? I feel that Elphaba's story has a sort of bearing to what you're talking about. On the whole, I agree that not giving up is the best path, but sometimes, you really do just need to stop (i.e. Elphaba).

Actually yeah, but I really think that Elphaba's issue was not so much her goals but instead her tactics.

Not giving up=/=doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for different results. If you can't accomplish something one way, try something else, and look to the long term.

Hurdles. The coach is moving up an age division though because I'm like 6'2" and at my age I'm supposed to do 30" hurdles.

So um... yay for moving me up to 'Intermediate' and the extra 9"?!

Very cool.

For me, I did 55-600, long jump, triple jump, and hurdles (55, 100, and 400). I was always pretty good but never broke any records. You're lucky, it sounds like you could go really far in track.

 

[Lucrece]

Spanish-speakers vary in race and ethnicity. Take Argentina, Chile, or Spain, and you've got a majority of Spanish-speakers of European descent.

I just needed to clear that up. Most of the time when people think of Spanish speakers, they think of mulatto/indigenous individuals from Mexico. I just get defensive over this mistaken generalization.

Anyways, that person obviously is ignorant of Miguel de Cervantes, Gabriel Garcia Marquez (God, I hate American keyboards that lack accent keys), Isabel Allende, and other reputable authors that represent the Spanish literary tradition. "Gotta" love ethnocentrism.

 

[I am gay for De De De]

Man, I can hardly stay away from this thread without missing a few pages.

A few topics to rehash while I was gone:

To Gigakoopa, I must say, while Faora makes a good point, I must play devil's advocate for a moment and push the other side of the argument.

Your cousin should tell his mother. Lying by omission is still lying. His mother carried him in the womb, then raised him to a (partially?) mature adult; he owes her the truth. Any relationship isn't much of a relationship without trust. It doesn't matter if you are a friend or a lover, an employer or a brother.

The trust issue aside, imagine how much the quality of his life would improve if he didn't have to lie anymore. Everyone who has come out can agree that being true to yourself is possibly the hardest and most rewarding thing you can do. You can have relationships and basically get on with your life, and feel comfortable. Once you drop the facade, you are free.

To Momo: I find it interesting that your cry for attention seems to be some kind of precursor to the incredible flaming gay guy we were discussing earlier.
"Nobody pays attention to me! I'll just act outrageously gay."

I'm not saying that you will do this Momo, but I think we might have gotten some rare insight into what makes some gay guys act that way. Don't forget that straight people can be attention whores too.


Finally,

Guess what. Mine arrived today. .

MURSE PRIDE!

 

[Faora Meridian]

To Gigakoopa, I must say, while Faora makes a good point, I must play devil's advocate for a moment and push the other side of the argument.

Your cousin should tell his mother. Lying by omission is still lying. His mother carried him in the womb, then raised him to a (partially?) mature adult; he owes her the truth. Any relationship isn't much of a relationship without trust. It doesn't matter if you are a friend or a lover, an employer or a brother.

The trust issue aside, imagine how much the quality of his life would improve if he didn't have to lie anymore. Everyone who has come out can agree that being true to yourself is possibly the hardest and most rewarding thing you can do. You can have relationships and basically get on with your life, and feel comfortable. Once you drop the facade, you are free.

If I may respond, I don't see that as lying by omission at all. I see that as entitlement to privacy. You just don't go around telling people who you're bedding. It's none of their business and, in many cases, just tasteless conversation. And just because his mother is the one who gave birth to him, or is family, does not mean you need to share every last detail of his life with her. Some things go unsaid, deliberately or not, and they do so for a reason.

Too I don't see it as a matter of trust. It's not that he doesn't trust those around him to accept him. It's that he simply fears a negative response. That is not lack of trust. That is simply fear, and warrented fear, if you look back over the entirety of this thread. Coming out is a dangerous thing for a lot of gay people. Families are torn, friendships are shattered, and those trusting relationships are destroyed forever, sometimes. The fear is rational and normal, and completely understandable and acceptable.

Improvement of quality of life. Sure, you could feel more confident in your life. No worries. Yeah, you don't need to lie, and you can be true to yourself, which is good. And once you drop the pretending, I agree, you're free of a huge burdon. I'm not saying not to come out. Coming out is something that happens to any gay person in time. And when it happens, for better or worse, good things follow for your own self confidence.

But the reasons I stated for NOT coming out are equally valid. Telling people who you want to **** is not something they need to know and, usually, not something they WANT to know, either. Even amongst family. I advocate what I do, because I truly believe people don't need to bother sharing it. It doesn't matter. You're not living a lie by not coming out of the closet. You're just doing what everyone else does; you're not proclaiming publically who you want to have sex with.

*wishes he'd been on the debate team in highschool*

 

[.:~*Momo*~:.]

To Momo: I find it interesting that your cry for attention seems to be some kind of precursor to the incredible flaming gay guy we were discussing earlier.
"Nobody pays attention to me! I'll just act outrageously gay."

I'm not saying that you will do this Momo, but I think we might have gotten some rare insight into what makes some gay guys act that way. Don't forget that straight people can be attention whores too.

Really? I never really thought of it like that before. =.

 

[I am gay for De De De]

If I may respond, I don't see that as lying by omission at all. I see that as entitlement to privacy. You just don't go around telling people who you're bedding. It's none of their business and, in many cases, just tasteless conversation. And just because his mother is the one who gave birth to him, or is family, does not mean you need to share every last detail of his life with her. Some things go unsaid, deliberately or not, and they do so for a reason.

Well, then, we differ in opinion. It's his mother, who is responsible for his development and well being. I think it most certainly is her business. Too many questions arise which have even been covered in this thread: "Who will carry on the family line?"

I think for casual friends and people you don't know, a need to know basis is perfectly acceptable, perhaps even preferred.

However! If you are very close to someone, they have a right to know, related or not. Otherwise the entire foundation of your relationship hinges on this secret. When you see people who have lost friends or heaven forbid, even family over the trauma of coming out as a gay guy or girl, you must realize that the foundation of that relationship was uprooted. It can either be made stronger or break as a result. I think if you weren't close enough to your own mother to survive that kind of break, you had other problems with the relationship anyway. (No offense to your matronly relations, Faora.)

Too I don't see it as a matter of trust. It's not that he doesn't trust those around him to accept him. It's that he simply fears a negative response. That is not lack of trust. That is simply fear, and warrented fear, if you look back over the entirety of this thread. Coming out is a dangerous thing for a lot of gay people. Families are torn, friendships are shattered, and those trusting relationships are destroyed forever, sometimes. The fear is rational and normal, and completely understandable and acceptable.

Improvement of quality of life. Sure, you could feel more confident in your life. No worries. Yeah, you don't need to lie, and you can be true to yourself, which is good. And once you drop the pretending, I agree, you're free of a huge burdon. I'm not saying not to come out. Coming out is something that happens to any gay person in time. And when it happens, for better or worse, good things follow for your own self confidence.

But the reasons I stated for NOT coming out are equally valid. Telling people who you want to **** is not something they need to know and, usually, not something they WANT to know, either. Even amongst family. I advocate what I do, because I truly believe people don't need to bother sharing it. It doesn't matter. You're not living a lie by not coming out of the closet. You're just doing what everyone else does; you're not proclaiming publically who you want to have sex with.

Unfortunately, the average human has heterosexual relations, such is expected. Homosexuality must be explicitly defined, it is not the default. Thus, an explanation is sometimes needed.

 

[Lucrece]

I'd be careful about that "unfortunately"; it can come off as quite offensive to some of our fellow heteros.

Just a question: Does a racial/sex minority need to be explained because it is not the default? What about redheads and other less dominant qualities?

 

[Andydark]

I think what he meant by "Unfortunately" was more of a, "Unfortunately, your ideals don't stand" towards Faora.

Not "Unfortunately the breeders breed."

NOTE: I am not against hetrosexuals. AND in fact may have bi tendencies when drunk.

More on this at Eleven, now here's Bonnie with the weather.

 

[Lucrece]

I think what he meant by "Unfortunately" was more of a, "Unfortunately, your ideals don't stand" towards Faora.

Not "Unfortunately the breeders breed."

NOTE: I am not against hetrosexuals. AND in fact may have bi tendencies when drunk.

More on this at Eleven, now here's Bonnie with the weather.

I know that is what he intended. "Unfortunately," there are many who will misinterpret due to the ambiguity.

I'm curious as to why you felt that such a disclaimer was needed. Nowehere in your post does it appear that you have a dislike of heterosexuals, silly ;p.

 

[I am gay for De De De]

I know that is what he intended. "Unfortunately," there are many who will misinterpret due to the ambiguity.

I'm curious as to why you felt that such a disclaimer was needed. Nowehere in your post does it appear that you have a dislike of heterosexuals, silly ;p.

<pedantry>
There is no ambiguity unless you read into it. In english, the commas delimit the portion of the sentence which is a supporting idea. If you remove this entirely you get the original meaning, which is: Unfortunately (heterosexuality) is expected.
</pedantry>

My apologies if I offended you or anyone else. It was not my intention.

Just a question: Does a racial/sex minority need to be explained because it is not the default? What about redheads and other less dominant qualities?

The comparison isn't really relevant, unfortunately. Redheaded people are not treated differently, and being a redheaded person is no secret. You don't "come out of the redheaded" closet, as it were.

 

[Faora Meridian]

Well, then, we differ in opinion. It's his mother, who is responsible for his development and well being. I think it most certainly is her business. Too many questions arise which have even been covered in this thread: "Who will carry on the family line?"

I think for casual friends and people you don't know, a need to know basis is perfectly acceptable, perhaps even preferred.

However! If you are very close to someone, they have a right to know, related or not. Otherwise the entire foundation of your relationship hinges on this secret. When you see people who have lost friends or heaven forbid, even family over the trauma of coming out as a gay guy or girl, you must realize that the foundation of that relationship was uprooted. It can either be made stronger or break as a result. I think if you weren't close enough to your own mother to survive that kind of break, you had other problems with the relationship anyway. (No offense to your matronly relations, Faora.)

Unfortunately, the average human has heterosexual relations, such is expected. Homosexuality must be explicitly defined, it is not the default. Thus, an explanation is sometimes needed.

I guess what I should say is that, respectfully, I disagree. On the whole, I mean. Generally speaking you have good points and, yes, it's always better to be up-front and honest to your friends and family about aspects of your life. And don't worry; I'm the first person to dish out crap about my mother and my family life. I consider myself without family in the world, and not without good reason. However, those are grievances for a whole other time.

I'm sorry, but I personally just don't believe that under any circumstances, even your friends and family need to know who you're ****ing. It simply isn't any of their business. *chuckles* That's the condensation of my earlier point. It's none of their business, who you're sleeping with. Doesn't matter in the slightest.

At the same time, yes. If you want to, it's worth serious respect points for said friends and family if you come out to them, and all goes well. It's a risk, and a brave move for anyone. But I refuse to believe that anyone at all should feel obligated to tell a single person if they don't want to, regardless of friendship status or blood relation.

Your family and friends have no right to know what you do in the privacy of your bed and heart. To those who are willing and strong enough to shoulder the burdon and responsibility of coming out to those around them, I applaud their efforts. To those who refuse to take the risk, I do not believe they're about to shatter the bonds of friend and family because they don't want to be persecuted. I think that if those bonds are as close as you want to think they are, then the individual in question would have family and friends that understand their choice to remain quiet about it.

*shrugs* But this is just my feelings on it. I don't claim to have the only way to go about things, or that I'm even right. But maybe I just have more faith in those close to you, heh heh.

 

[blink777]

Just a quick point (I'm not about to try debating): aren't the chances of family and close friends finding out who you prefer to bed with fairly high, even without you openly telling them? Would it not be better to just tell them outright, as opposed to having them discover things and building their own version of the situation? But then, I guess there could be certain extreme situations where utter secrecy is needed, or when the chances of them finding out are severely diminished due to distance and/or lack of communication... though those would probably then fall under the aforementioned category of those that don't really need to know anyway...

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why I don't debate.

And now to Ali Williams with sports.

(wondering if I'm going to regret contributing to this recent trend)

 

[I am gay for De De De]

I'm sorry, but I personally just don't believe that under any circumstances, even your friends and family need to know who you're ****ing. It simply isn't any of their business. *chuckles* That's the condensation of my earlier point. It's none of their business, who you're sleeping with. Doesn't matter in the slightest.

Aye, that's the rub. Being gay is more than just what gender you have sex with; it is a part of who you are. Woven into the very tapestry of your geist! It is who you love. You cannot separate sexuality from the human experience, its how we're wired.

 

[Lucrece]

<pedantry>
There is no ambiguity unless you read into it. In english, the commas delimit the portion of the sentence which is a supporting idea. If you remove this entirely you get the original meaning, which is: Unfortunately (heterosexuality) is expected.
</pedantry>

My apologies if I offended you or anyone else. It was not my intention.



The comparison isn't really relevant, unfortunately. Redheaded people are not treated differently, and being a redheaded person is no secret. You don't "come out of the redheaded" closet, as it were.

It was my understanding that adverbs at the beginning of the sentence are usually followed by a comma, allowing for ambiguity.

I'm a little bit irritated that you would think I'd be offended by your post, especially since I revealed that I was aware of your intended meaning. I support your idea, silly. What I'm worried about is the average individual who is incapable of dealing with such nuances starting a tirade about how we homosexuals are hypocritically prejudiced, as it happens often enough.

As for Faora's posts: Homosexuality is more than who you ****. I take umbrage at the fact that you ignore the complex relationship of sexuality with social interactions, choosing to degrade a part of our identity to mere sex.

 

[I am gay for De De De]

It was my understanding that adverbs at the beginning of the sentence are usually followed by a comma, allowing for ambiguity.

I'm a little bit irritated that you would think I'd be offended by your post, especially since I revealed that I was aware of your intended meaning. I support your idea, silly. What I'm worried about is the average individual who is incapable of dealing with such nuances starting a tirade about how we homosexuals are hypocritically prejudiced, as it happens often enough.

As for Faora's posts: Homosexuality is more than who you ****. I take umbrage at the fact that you ignore the complex relationship of sexuality with social interactions, choosing to degrade a part of our identity to mere sex.

I didn't think you were offended, I did say "if" right?
I'm sure anyone who wanders into this thread with ignorance can leave with enlightenment or shame. I must stress that my comment was not intended to be inflammatory.

I'm glad we see eye to eye about gay meaning more than just sexual relations.

 

[Faora Meridian]

As for Faora's posts: Homosexuality is more than who you ****. I take umbrage at the fact that you ignore the complex relationship of sexuality with social interactions, choosing to degrade a part of our identity to mere sex.

I quote this simply to save me having to quote two people who misunderstood me the same way, in order to clear myself. This statement is shared by both Lucrece, and DeDeDe, and I feel the need to clarify, despite how my words might look, without further insult (except for a single early jab that I feel a little entitled to... I can be a spiteful little *****, heh heh).

If you're insulted that you took my words to mean that this is all simply about who you want to sleep with, then I'm insulted by a disturbing lack of mental capacity. I would not and indeed could not ever, in my life, say such a thing. I stand by my record in this thread, in that I have never intended to offer more than my personal views, free of any insult or slur. To insinuate that I believe homosexuality to have only carnal, physical roots is to believe me insulting everyone in this thread, myself included, and that simply will not stand with me.

My nature is to observe and offer advice, based on what I see before me, what I hear of, and what I have personally experienced. I never invalidated DeDeDe's points or sought to fight them in any way. Personally, I'm openly gay, and very very open with that fact. It takes little for me to tell people who I am. If you want me to go further, I'm a furry as well, and I'm open with that, if I can be arsed telling people. I generally don't cause it's none of their business, and that accords with how I believe.

So, here I am. I've not tried to argue against DeDeDe's point. I have in fact agreed with him on several of his points, and embrace much of his phillosophy. I simply believe differently, that my thoughts can serve some people better. I am not being hostile, nor was there any malicious intent to any of my prior words. If they've been misconstrued, I sincerely apologise to any and all who were hurt or offended by something I have said.

That said. I am fully aware that homosexuality branches out far, far beyond what you want to stick your parts into (and vice versa). Homosexuality is NOT just about getting off on the same sex, and to even suggest that I, as a gay person, feel that in the slightest, is to insult me directly and my integrity. I have never, not once, even slightly wanted to hint at this being my belief.

Rather, you have taken my words at their most literal meaning without any concern for my meaning laying behind those words. In essence, I am saying that nobody, NOBODY, needs to know you're gay, unless you're going to date them. Not one single ****ing person. None. Why? Cause it's none of their god**** business, that's why. They don't need to know, and if someone does not want to tell the people in their life something so sensitive, they have the right to choose silence over persecution.

I issue this as a warning. I seek no hostile contact, but if I am accused once more of insulting every member of this thread due to a misconception that is NOT mine, then I will simply stop posting, and take my opinions and thoughts elsewhere, where they may be considered by more level-headed and rational minds than the few that seek to undermine me.

I issue a further apology if I seem to be blowing this out of proportion, but there is very little in this world that I have to hold on to. I hold my integrity highest, because I've tarnished it several times by choice. I strive to do the best that I can, and when someone suggests that I am so shallow as to make a claim like those made above, my response is strained patience, bristling anger, and very hurt feelings. Those hurt feelings usually result in my tongue turning to venom, and I prefer NOT to dish out harsh words to those that don't deserve it.

So if the jabs against me are unintended, I apologise for the lengthy rant. If not, consider my words carefully. I don't want to cause problems, and I'll sooner leave before I do... but there's going to be some very hot flames burning here if my sense of honor is questioned again.

 

[Yuna-Maria]

Faora, take a chill pill and calm the hell down. No one's trying to insult you, and no one wants to start any crap. I don't know what prompted me to read that wall of text you just erected, because I don't usually bother with posts like that, but Christ on a cracker, honey, you get worked up hella easy, don't you? Chill out. Drink a glass of water. Clear your mind. No one has anything against you, okay?

 

[RareTruffle]

It's his mother, who is responsible for his development and well being. I think it most certainly is her business. Too many questions arise which have even been covered in this thread: "Who will carry on the family line?"

I think for casual friends and people you don't know, a need to know basis is perfectly acceptable, perhaps even preferred.

It takes years for a person to become comfortable with it themselves (for me anyways, still not entirely.) let alone being comfortable enough to tell people. I think it's selfish to expect someone to proclaim it.


If I took this out of context, sorry. Just was browsing the thread and came across it.

 

[Faora Meridian]

Faora, take a chill pill and calm the hell down. No one's trying to insult you, and no one wants to start any crap. I don't know what prompted me to read that wall of text you just erected, because I don't usually bother with posts like that, but Christ on a cracker, honey, you get worked up hella easy, don't you? Chill out. Drink a glass of water. Clear your mind. No one has anything against you, okay?

If I said I was calm, would you actually believe me? I am. I actually don't get worked up easilly, I just have a select few buttons that I don't like being pressed. As I quoted before...

As for Faora's posts: Homosexuality is more than who you ****. I take umbrage at the fact that you ignore the complex relationship of sexuality with social interactions, choosing to degrade a part of our identity to mere sex.

... I degraded no one, and I'll take umbrage at the suggestion that I would so blithely throw away everything else beyond the physical that makes a homosexual person the way they are. It's not simply a matter of simplifying it to who you want to sleep with, and I don't believe I ever implied that it was. Certainly I never meant to.

So when someone misinterprets something that I say, and tells me I'm insulting a whole community of people that I'm not only a part of, but deal with respectfully and with empathy, then yes, I'm going to feel more than a little slighted. Wouldn't you?

 

[Xsyven]

Random question: Do any of you guys have any gay siblings? There are 6 kids in my family. 3 girls, 3 boys.

I'm the youngest. My oldest brother, who's the third oldest in the family, is also gay-- though he's extremely religious, and will never admit it publicly. He confessed something to my mom when he was a teenager, but to this day, he still denies saying anything. We've found gay **** on his computer and stuff, so we know it's still there. He's just so into our church, that he won't act upon it in any way, other than mindless self indulgence.

So yeah, do any of your families have two or more gay kids?

 

[I am gay for De De De]

So when someone misinterprets something that I say, and tells me I'm insulting a whole community of people that I'm not only a part of, but deal with respectfully and with empathy, then yes, I'm going to feel more than a little slighted. Wouldn't you?

Well, I was (almost!) misinterpreted earlier and I simply clarified my stance. Your earlier comments did seem to oversimplify the definition of homosxuality, but now we see that you do not really take homosexuality at face value.

Faora, I think you would do this thread a great disservice by choosing not to participate. I sincerely hope you will stay. Your view, while different from mine, is an equally valid stance to have. I supported the other side of the argument merely because it does have valid points and I felt they should be heard.

Ultimately the choice of coming out can only be made by the person who is in the closet; hopefully our insight will help any closeted people reading this thread to come to their own terms with it.

It takes years for a person to become comfortable with it themselves (for me anyways, still not entirely.) let alone being comfortable enough to tell people. I think it's selfish to expect someone to proclaim it.


If I took this out of context, sorry. Just was browsing the thread and came across it.

Well I wholeheartedly agree; I still reaffirm that coming out is an important step that is necessary in the life of a homosexual person, but I am not advocating everyone come out, right now, wether they want to or not. It takes a lot of guts to tell people a secret like this, no denying it. Nobody should have to do so until they are ready.

 

[blink777]

I simply believe differently, that my thoughts can serve some people better.

I think that just about sums up this entire debate/argument/cuffuffle (can I get a spell check on that?). I'm glad - as I'm sure you all are as well, by this point - that we have two contrasting view points on the subject, so we can present multiple options for people coming here looking for advice.

So yeah, do any of your families have two or more gay kids?

Thanks for the attempt to move us onto another topic, Xsyven. My brother and sister are a year younger than me and as far as I know, neither is gay. Very certain my sister isn't, and though my brother is never open about things like this, I'm very inclined to say he is also straight. None of my first relatives are either (all married, in long-term hetero relationships, or too young to know). Starting to wonder what I'm going to do about our family get-together-thinger this summer.

 

[Lucrece]

I quote this simply to save me having to quote two people who misunderstood me the same way, in order to clear myself. This statement is shared by both Lucrece, and DeDeDe, and I feel the need to clarify, despite how my words might look, without further insult (except for a single early jab that I feel a little entitled to... I can be a spiteful little *****, heh heh).

If you're insulted that you took my words to mean that this is all simply about who you want to sleep with, then I'm insulted by a disturbing lack of mental capacity. I would not and indeed could not ever, in my life, say such a thing. I stand by my record in this thread, in that I have never intended to offer more than my personal views, free of any insult or slur. To insinuate that I believe homosexuality to have only carnal, physical roots is to believe me insulting everyone in this thread, myself included, and that simply will not stand with me.

My nature is to observe and offer advice, based on what I see before me, what I hear of, and what I have personally experienced. I never invalidated DeDeDe's points or sought to fight them in any way. Personally, I'm openly gay, and very very open with that fact. It takes little for me to tell people who I am. If you want me to go further, I'm a furry as well, and I'm open with that, if I can be arsed telling people. I generally don't cause it's none of their business, and that accords with how I believe.

So, here I am. I've not tried to argue against DeDeDe's point. I have in fact agreed with him on several of his points, and embrace much of his phillosophy. I simply believe differently, that my thoughts can serve some people better. I am not being hostile, nor was there any malicious intent to any of my prior words. If they've been misconstrued, I sincerely apologise to any and all who were hurt or offended by something I have said.

That said. I am fully aware that homosexuality branches out far, far beyond what you want to stick your parts into (and vice versa). Homosexuality is NOT just about getting off on the same sex, and to even suggest that I, as a gay person, feel that in the slightest, is to insult me directly and my integrity. I have never, not once, even slightly wanted to hint at this being my belief.

Rather, you have taken my words at their most literal meaning without any concern for my meaning laying behind those words. In essence, I am saying that nobody, NOBODY, needs to know you're gay, unless you're going to date them. Not one single ****ing person. None. Why? Cause it's none of their god**** business, that's why. They don't need to know, and if someone does not want to tell the people in their life something so sensitive, they have the right to choose silence over persecution.

I issue this as a warning. I seek no hostile contact, but if I am accused once more of insulting every member of this thread due to a misconception that is NOT mine, then I will simply stop posting, and take my opinions and thoughts elsewhere, where they may be considered by more level-headed and rational minds than the few that seek to undermine me.

I issue a further apology if I seem to be blowing this out of proportion, but there is very little in this world that I have to hold on to. I hold my integrity highest, because I've tarnished it several times by choice. I strive to do the best that I can, and when someone suggests that I am so shallow as to make a claim like those made above, my response is strained patience, bristling anger, and very hurt feelings. Those hurt feelings usually result in my tongue turning to venom, and I prefer NOT to dish out harsh words to those that don't deserve it.

So if the jabs against me are unintended, I apologise for the lengthy rant. If not, consider my words carefully. I don't want to cause problems, and I'll sooner leave before I do... but there's going to be some very hot flames burning here if my sense of honor is questioned again.

Sorry if I offended you. However, I still have to disagree with you that knowledge of one's sexual orientation is of no one's business, simply because it DOES show an oversimplified understanding of the issue.

I'll post more on my take on the issue later; I need to solve something first.

P.S. Please, Faora, don't abandon the thread. while we disagree strongly on a single issue, it should be no surprise that everyone here enjoys your presence and input.

 

[I am gay for De De De]

Random question: Do any of you guys have any gay siblings? There are 6 kids in my family. 3 girls, 3 boys.

I'm the youngest. My oldest brother, who's the third oldest in the family, is also gay-- though he's extremely religious, and will never admit it publicly. He confessed something to my mom when he was a teenager, but to this day, he still denies saying anything. We've found gay **** on his computer and stuff, so we know it's still there. He's just so into our church, that he won't act upon it in any way, other than mindless self indulgence.

So yeah, do any of your families have two or more gay kids?

I don't see much of my extended family nowadays, but I do have one sister, and just about the only thing we have in common is our like of guys(although our perception of beauty differs greatly). I know it's clichéd to be the only gay in the village, but it appears that I am in my family.

I have two stepbrothers which I have never met; my father says one of them is very much like me in personality, and as far as I know he does not have a girlfriend. He lives in southern california. You may draw your own conclusions.

 

[Dodongo]

Your username cracked me up.

 

[Sanu]

Your sexual orientation should not define your personality. Jumping on a bandwagon for bandwagonings sake makes me sad. Is this the right conversation? I haven't been following.

Oh sweet, 150th page post. o.0

 

[.:~*Momo*~:.]

Random question: Do any of you guys have any gay siblings? There are 6 kids in my family. 3 girls, 3 boys.

I'm the youngest. My oldest brother, who's the third oldest in the family, is also gay-- though he's extremely religious, and will never admit it publicly. He confessed something to my mom when he was a teenager, but to this day, he still denies saying anything. We've found gay **** on his computer and stuff, so we know it's still there. He's just so into our church, that he won't act upon it in any way, other than mindless self indulgence.

So yeah, do any of your families have two or more gay kids?

Not really gay but my older sister is Bi... I think? O.o; I actually don't know anymore... or do I? O_o; ... well I think she's bi, she confessed it to me before so I dunno why I'm second guessing myself. ^^;

 

[Villi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKAW96N-Vms

This made me laugh.

 

[BabyLuigiFan]

Im not gay but I am bi. People know and i dont have any problems with it besides the bullies in school but i dont give a crap about what they have to say about my life at all.

 

[blink777]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKAW96N-Vms

This made me laugh.

lol. I was totally like: "Ooo, this guy's niice." And then BAM, he goes, "Hiiii!" And I ran away. Still a funny commercial though.

(somebody slap me for my horrible grammar there)

EDIT: Welcome to the thread, BabyLuigiFan. Sorry that I have nothing worthwhile to say, but nice to have you here.

 

[I am gay for De De De]

lol. I was totally like: "Ooo, this guy's niice." And then BAM, he goes, "Hiiii!" And I ran away. Still a funny commercial though.

Someone needs to edit some kirby taunt up in there.
"Hiii!"

Also, a hearty welcome to BabyLuigiFan.

 

[Bowser_Gangsta]

Count me in!!!..??

I kinda don't know what I am. Its like, I'm more attracted to guys than girls, but I dont like guys. So... I'm Asexually-Gay? That makes pretty much no sense at all. It also feels kinda weird posting here...

 

[Bassoonist]

I kinda don't know what I am. Its like, I'm more attracted to guys than girls, but I dont like guys. So... I'm Asexually-Gay? That makes pretty much no sense at all. It also feels kinda weird posting here...

lol. Give it some time. You're young... I only started having actual attraction within the past few years... (it's really not that much either, but that's aside from the point. XD)

Not everybody's sexuality is clear to them as fast as others.

 

[Villi]

Yeah, it's like when boys think girls have cooties or when a girl won't put out to maintain her maidenly chastity. Maybe. I dunno what you have against other guys, but I think some of 'em are pretty neat.