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orintemple

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tl;dr

Don't talk about it unless your asked about it.
He quoted someone. That entire post was meant to help that person out. Seriously... what are you doing? The whole point of the thread is to be open and help others, don't be a jerk. Good post Faora.

That actually brings up a good new conversation starter. Normality. What is it? Just what people tell you that you should be doing? The way I see it gays are considered "weird" by most people because most people are straight I'm sure this is obvious to us all. But what I want to know is who decided it was "wrong".

I blame religion, but then again I blame religion for A LOT of things. And this is not the place to discuss religion.
 

SkylerOcon

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He quoted someone. That entire post was meant to help that person out. Seriously... what are you doing? The whole point of the thread is to be open and help others, don't be a jerk. Good post Faora.

That actually brings up a good new conversation starter. Normality. What is it? Just what people tell you that you should be doing? The way I see it gays are considered "weird" by most people because most people are straight I'm sure this is obvious to us all. But what I want to know is who decided it was "wrong".

I blame religion, but then again I blame religion for A LOT of things. And this is not the place to discuss religion.
I wasn't being a jerk.

That's just what Faora was getting at. I wasn't trying to to be a *******.
 

orintemple

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I wasn't being a jerk.

That's just what Faora was getting at. I wasn't trying to to be a *******.
Ah a joke, I see. I didn't get it. Sometimes I assume people will come in here and be jerks, just because of the nature of the thread and the nature of people. Sorry about that.
 

.:~*Momo*~:.

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It wasn't really a joke, he just summarized what Faora said in one sentence basically.

Also I agree with you Faora.

What does tl;dr mean? O.o;

I couldn't slap her... I was in school... about to get an award for something... people there have short tempers... I'm fragile despite my height... I would have gotten in trouble and I never get into trouble, well not serious trouble anyway. So of course I'd just take it instead of hitting her, I'm not prepared for the consequences, also I wouldn't look too great hitting a girl. ._. I have a nice kid reputation, I don't wanna ruin it, though it would have been awesome if I could like... hurt her without anyone seeing, like with some sort of power like throwing her across the hallway using telekinesis. >=D

Also here's a story completely unrelated to the topic and what I was just talking about! =D

So I went to the mall with my friends today because it was my one friend's birthday, I was actually unsure if I wanted to go at all but in the end I went. So we had fun, split up, friends got mad at eachother but I stay out of that stuff... blah blah blah. At the end my one friend needed a ride so she eventually called her mom after trying to get her friends to call their moms (her mom would get mad at her and stuff... their moms said no though so she called her mom in the end) and invited her two best friends to go with her, she was the friend who got her mom to drive us there and I told her before that I had no ride, she told me to get a ride with another friend who was there and had a car, I don't dislike him or anything but I have issues... I got really mad but tried not to show it too much, I just kinda got silent and walked away with no idea where I was going. You see, I sometimes get mad and just walk away, it's happened before... once I "ran away from home" and just walked around for 3 hours. ._.;

Why I walked away is simple, I felt pushed aside... like leftovers... a bother... the extra unwanted loser... like I've always been treated throughout life. Not tryin to sound emo, sorry if I am but it really sux to be the only guy in a group and to be as quiet and introverted as I am, the girls I talk to are really nice to me and talk to me and all but when their other friends come along I just don't exist anymore. Eversince childhood I've been left out because I'm a guy, they treat the quiet and introverted girls the same way they treat eachother but I'm always just there, half the time I don't even think they realize that I'm standing right next to them. -_-; In Elementary school I remember not being able to do certain things with my friends and being left out because I'm a boy, and other boys my age were jerks because I was into stuff like Princess Peach so I was always the target for mean jokes. I always relied on my friends to keep me company, but half the time they weren't even there to help me or make me feel better, so I was basically just there for no reason in my mind, that no matter what I did I just couldn't fit in or be liked.

I have a major problem with being left out (or yelled at by my mom but that's a whole different story)... I was always either put with people I don't like or by myself, I remember one field trip where the teachers made us separate into all girl groups and all boy groups, so I snuck into one of the all girls groups with the parent's consent and had a good time until the teacher caught me and made me cry and stuck me back with the boys, the first time I got into major trouble, I still hate that *****. <.< If the option was available my friends would always say "YEAH BOYS VS GIRLS!" when we played games in class, so I obviously knew they didn't give a crap about me. Though I always try to be considerate, one time my friend was in this group with a bunch of people she didn't like and I was in the same group as my other friend but she was miserable without the friend who was in the group with people she didn't like so I asked the teacher if we could switch places so that they could be together... guess I just wanted to be thanked or thought of as a friend or noticed, not that it really worked. =/

And to this day it still happens, I walk behind my friends mutter 2 words and nobody hears me... though I'm pretty quiet anyway but they'd hear me if they were alone! >.< Sometimes I even raise my voice and nobody hears me, sometimes they just walk away as if I don't exist or something. Don't get me wrong, I still like them, they treat me pretty well other than this and encourage me and stuff, but this is a major problem I've had for my whole life, so I was a self hating... well I hated everything about myself when I was a kid because I always stuck out... if not for being a boy it was for being black... if not for being black then it was for being tall... if not for being tall it was for being a dork. -_-;

Anyway... I got really pissed off and stormed off in the mall today and walked around for a while with no idea where I was going. ^^; I tried to call my dad to see if he would come get me but I have no cell phone (Yeah... weird I know) and I didn't have enough change for the pay phones at the mall, so I had to go all the way back. When I returned all of my friends greeted me with screams of relief and told me how worried they were, which surprised me since I was expecting them to just leave me there. ^^; Though I just put on a smile and told them I went to the bathroom, I told my one friend the truth but then rest of them think I just took a long time in the bathroom (I'm sure they didn't think anything dirty... I'm MOMO afterall.), I didn't wanna steal the spotlight or anything. So I felt pretty well after that, I know I'm a bad person for it but seeing other people worry about me makes me feel good. O_o; I mean I'm just there ALL the time or yelled at or blamed or made fun of, so when somebody actually shows genuine affection for me or something along those lines I start to feel happy. ^^; But yeah... speaking up is definitely something I need to work on. @_@;

... sorry for the long story, I just felt pretty emotional today is all and I felt that I had to explain why I'd get so mad over something so small. ^^;
 

Somasu

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Momo, I've felt the SAME way for a good chunk of my life.

I'm a VERY shy and quiet person by nature.. so when I'm with my friends, I don't usually have that much to say.. butI still can join in on converstation and stuff when I can. The problem is, when I'm with them and THEIR friends that I don't personally know very well, I'm just.. off to the side with my mouth shut. No real idea why I do it, but hey..



Anyway, I want to bring something up.


The only time i will ever hate a gay is when he will hit on me which thnk god it still didnt happen.
I can't seem to figure out something.. Why is this such a fear between a good bit of straight people? I hear this whole "I don't mind gays so long as they don't hit on me" bit all the time, and it just confuses me as to why they fear that so much..

Sometimes I think these people need to realize that gay people don't go hitting on every guy we see. Just because something has a ***** doesn't mean we want it. Usually, if we know somebody is straight, we won't try anything with them (unless it's jokingly with a friend or something).. and if we aren't sure, we still don't like to try it because.. well.. hitting on a straight guy is just something I think most of us want to avoid.


I'll admit that I've hit on some straight people in my life, but never have they been serious.. just jokes that I can use to make people that have such a fear feel strange >_>


So.. yeah.. why is this such a fear..?
 

Xsyven

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Girls hit on me every once in a while. Though it's awkward, I consider it flattering. :)

I felt that way too, at first.
Well, wasn't really my choice with my parents, though.
I kind of had the same thing. I had a boyfriend, while in the closet, for about six or seven months before people started talking, and word got to my mom, where she confronted me.

Once she knew, I had this whole: "Well, if my mom knows, then I don't care who else knows" rampage for a good two days. After that, I haven't been able to just flat out tell people I'm gay.

I only have ONE more person on my "people I actually care about" list that doesn't know that I'm gay. I can't bring myself to do it. I'm ********. It's the girl I tried to like all through high school. I work with her every day for over twelve hours, yet I never find the time to sit down and say: "GUESS WHAT?" She's really good friends with my boyfriend, and everything. She just doesn't know we're porkin'.
 

Leahdybug

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Omg momo lol your a sweet lil thing. You need a obnoxious girl friend like me XD. Growing up i was the only girl that hung with the guys so i had to assert myself and learned to get in there and be like HEY IM here dammit! I had a bestfriend we would joke about me being his personal pit bull. He was shy quiet ,espically in like new setting with new people. I would break the ice for him by being "crazy" if you want to call it. He soon started to become extroverted(I believe thats right) although still very introverted. I could see him jumping into crowds more and soon it was like he didnt need me anymore.

Seriosuly take charge of girls! You are probably funny interesting you just let yourself fade. The girls you seem to hang out with sound like crap anyways. You, and I hate saying it, need a hag (from her on i shall refer it to fairy princess! I hate the term hag because im not in love with gay men but I love gay men) lol.

You really just need a friend to help you be more assertive and hopefully you can teach that friend to my interoverted. The two types of people have their bumps in the road but they learn alot from on another. You got to remember that those people arnt worth your time. Your a friend on their terms so make it so and if you with them again either shove your self in the middle or leave. If you seem them again and they ask why you left jsut be like i was bored. Knock down some egos XD! It doesnt have to be just about you but dont be afraid to make it about you.


Oh and i dont like this whole men not slapping women thing if a girls annoying you hell if im annoying you slap me, apparently I need to be learned some lol. Anywho momo call me up I'll deal with your lady problems =P I got muscle hehe and fem parts to get away with it!
 

.:~*Momo*~:.

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Auuu now I feel bad, I didn't mean to make my friends look like crap. They really are nice people and treat me well other than this. And this isn't even all the time, it's just every so often... maybe once or twice a day... you know... not 100% all the time. I'm sure I just over exaggerated or something, they really are cool people. ^^ I'm just oversensitive with this kinda stuff is all... ._.

But you're right about me needing an "obnoxious girl" and taking charge. =P I guess I need someone who'll take me out of my shell, though... I don't want someone TOO crazy, then I might get scared often. O_o;

I never liked the guys not slapping girls thing either (Don't get me wrong, I don't support violence at all, I just find it unfair on some levels), but it was how I was raised and I can't just go around hitting girls because of it... but I also don't hit guys either, I just don't hit anyone so I guess that's my way of making it more fair. I never liked that rule because I remember ANYONE could slap me no matter what I do but I'm not allowed to slap anyone who gets on my F-ing nerves if they're a girl. <.< I do kick though, I kick guys mostly and girls almost never because if I do then they'll hit me and it all goes back to me not being able to hit them back without bad consequences... if I DO kick them it's just a playful light tap instead of the "I don't care if you get hurt" kinda kick I give to guys. ^^; I still don't like being hit though, hell everyone knows I'm more fragile and weak than most of my friends, guys AND girls... so I never found that rule very fair. <.<

You know what else I hate? How girls are so super sensitive towards eachother but not to guys even if they're super sensitive too...

Amber: I'm so ugly!! ;_;
Becky: OMG Amber stop crying! You are sooo totally pretty!! D=
Amber: No I'm not! Liek OMG leave me alone! ;_;
Becky: But you're beautiful!! =O
Amber: Really? *sniffles* I don't think so...
Becky: You're just feeling bad... don't worry, you're totally pretty.

as opposed to

Ryan: *sigh* I'm so ugly... (had a really bad day)
Becky: Well you're not THAT ugly.
Ryan: Thanks. <_<

I think that girls can be pretty insensitive too, they always complain about how guys are jerks but I don't think they realize how mean they can be without realizing. =/ I know if I didn't have a ***** then I'd probably be treated a lot better.

Uhhh... O_o; Well... sorry that was another rant-ish kinda thing. ^^; Once again don't get me wrong about my friends, they are still cool and all. ^^; The scenario thing was just an exaggeration, it never really flat out happened to me... that I remember. Though there was a time when my friend said there are no cute guys at our school (and she's right about that) except for like one, and I wasn't the one. ^^; Not that I was surprised or thought that I was the best looking guy ever, but I wonder why she even brought it up since I am still technically a guy, I mean it's not very nice to do that but whatever...

People just can't help being like this I guess, I mean I know I have my quirks so I don't think it'd be fair for me to judge them and call them awful people or anything... it just irks me. =/
 

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Auuu now I feel bad, I didn't mean to make my friends look like crap. They really are nice people and treat me well other than this. And this isn't even all the time, it's just every so often... maybe once or twice a day... you know... not 100% all the time. I'm sure I just over exaggerated or something, they really are cool people. ^^ I'm just oversensitive with this kinda stuff is all... ._.

But you're right about me needing an "obnoxious girl" and taking charge. =P I guess I need someone who'll take me out of my shell, though... I don't want someone TOO crazy, then I might get scared often. O_o;

I never liked the guys not slapping girls thing either (Don't get me wrong, I don't support violence at all, I just find it unfair on some levels), but it was how I was raised and I can't just go around hitting girls because of it... but I also don't hit guys either, I just don't hit anyone so I guess that's my way of making it more fair. I never liked that rule because I remember ANYONE could slap me no matter what I do but I'm not allowed to slap anyone who gets on my F-ing nerves if they're a girl. <.< I do kick though, I kick guys mostly and girls almost never because if I do then they'll hit me and it all goes back to me not being able to hit them back without bad consequences... if I DO kick them it's just a playful light tap instead of the "I don't care if you get hurt" kinda kick I give to guys. ^^; I still don't like being hit though, hell everyone knows I'm more fragile and weak than most of my friends, guys AND girls... so I never found that rule very fair. <.<

You know what else I hate? How girls are so super sensitive towards eachother but not to guys even if they're super sensitive too...

Amber: I'm so ugly!! ;_;
Becky: OMG Amber stop crying! You are sooo totally pretty!! D=
Amber: No I'm not! Liek OMG leave me alone! ;_;
Becky: But you're beautiful!! =O
Amber: Really? *sniffles* I don't think so...
Becky: You're just feeling bad... don't worry, you're totally pretty.

as opposed to

Ryan: *sigh* I'm so ugly... (had a really bad day)
Becky: Well you're not THAT ugly.
Ryan: Thanks. <_<

I think that girls can be pretty insensitive too, they always complain about how guys are jerks but I don't think they realize how mean they can be without realizing. =/ I know if I didn't have a ***** then I'd probably be treated a lot better.

Uhhh... O_o; Well... sorry that was another rant-ish kinda thing. ^^; Once again don't get me wrong about my friends, they are still cool and all. ^^; The scenario thing was just an exaggeration, it never really flat out happened to me... that I remember. Though there was a time when my friend said there are no cute guys at our school (and she's right about that) except for like one, and I wasn't the one. ^^; Not that I was surprised or thought that I was the best looking guy ever, but I wonder why she even brought it up since I am still technically a guy, I mean it's not very nice to do that but whatever...

People just can't help being like this I guess, I mean I know I have my quirks so I don't think it'd be fair for me to judge them and call them awful people or anything... it just irks me. =/
You could just do what I do and hit them anyway.

Women wanted to be treated as equals. Don't say 'don't hit me I'm a girl!1' unless you want to go back to the kitchen and make me a sandwhich.
 

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Women wanted to be treated as equals. Don't say 'don't hit me I'm a girl!1' unless you want to go back to the kitchen and make me a sandwhich.
I agree with this, im not gonna lie I am a hyporcite sometimes I try **** hard not to be but we really do have a doublestandards I believe. Not all of us of course . Young girls im sure arnt accustomed to being sensitive towards males unless they like them.
(again not everyone)

Remember too momo you might be exaggerating a bit but there is something bothering you. It apparently continues to bother you and its something your friends should pic up on if not you should express. Unless this is something you can drop off your shoulders awesome go you, but if not continue dealing with feeling a lil down.
 

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I agree with this, im not gonna lie I am a hyporcite sometimes I try **** hard not to be but we really do have a doublestandards I believe. Not all of us of course . Young girls im sure arnt accustomed to being sensitive towards males unless they like them.
(again not everyone)

Remember too momo you might be exaggerating a bit but there is something bothering you. It apparently continues to bother you and its something your friends should pic up on if not you should express. Unless this is something you can drop off your shoulders awesome go you, but if not continue dealing with feeling a lil down.
I guess I should talk about it... but like everything else if I TRY to talk about something I'm either ignored or the problem is fixed for a day or two before it goes back to normal... so I just don't bother.

You could just do what I do and hit them anyway.

Women wanted to be treated as equals. Don't say 'don't hit me I'm a girl!1' unless you want to go back to the kitchen and make me a sandwhich.
Hehe! Well yeah that's true, but uhhh... I'd just feel too guilty afterwards. ^^;

*edits out a long long rant about my mom*
I'm sorry, I should know this isn't the Momo Rant topic. ^^;
 

Faora Meridian

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That actually brings up a good new conversation starter. Normality. What is it? Just what people tell you that you should be doing? The way I see it gays are considered "weird" by most people because most people are straight I'm sure this is obvious to us all. But what I want to know is who decided it was "wrong".
*cracks his fingers and folds his hands together behind his back*

Normal. I hate that word. I HATE that word, with a passion than surpasses the strength of the Almighty, the One, the Only, Falcon Knee. And it might seem, at first glance, to be a completely irrational hatred. But please, stay a little, and allow me to say some very empassioned things about it.

'Normal' is an ideal. An unattainable one, at that. The word is used to decribe an ideal point for any number of different things and, so long as you're talking about anything other than PEOPLE, all's well and good. But my hatred of the word comes from it often being used to refer to people, and how they behave and think and act. I HATE that.

What is normal? Normal is a ****ing thought, a construct of a diversified race across a multitude of cultures. Nothing more. When people say normal, what they often mean is 'average' and yet, so often, they use the word normal instead. What is so often considered as the general middle point for how people think and act, the center of the bell curve of human behavior, is called normal.

And this is going to get into why that peeves me off. Becuase humans are diverse creatures, we don't have any real 'normal'. There is NO normal person. Gay, straight, black, white, ANYTHING. The issue that can be taken with this is simply that there IS such a thing as abormal behavior. Usually this is very destructive, and not just to the person in question, but those are musings for a whole other time.

There is, however, an average. And an average is just statistics. Normal has so many more strings attached to it. Everyone wants to be normal, but even the people you think are NORMAL are just as normal as you are. If more people could realize this simple fact, then there would be no reason for me to be so pissed at the main reason for me not liking that word being tacked onto people.

As I'm sure a lot of people in this thread are aware, there's a lot of people who (try to) live up to the ideals of 'normal'... and when they see people that they deem abnormal (for example, the obvious choice, gay people), they're immediately prejudiced against them. People cop all kinds of **** from other people, simply because the others feel that this person before them is less, or something. And that just simply isn't right.

If there's anything that I'd want someone to take away from reading this, it's to not worry if you feel you're wrong, or different, or broken, simply because you're gay, and/or people believe you're not normal. You ARE normal. You don't fit the average, and that's okay. Good even. It's natural. Without diversity, we'd not survive as a species. You're as normal as anyone else, certainly as they are. You just aren't the same as them.
 

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It's not always one or the other. One doesn't have to come out and be openly gay to be who they are. I've often said that it doesn't really matter, and it's not something to worry about. Coming out isn't something that needs to be done, because it's not really anyone's business to me.

"Mum, dad... I just want you to know that I love you and, no matter what you might think... I'm straight."

How often do you hear that? I'm sure part of it is cause that straight is the norm (normality... cause for me to rant for another page if it's invited, heh heh), but the fact of the matter is simply that you don't need to share with someone who your sexual partners are going to be. It's none of their business.

People will assume people are straight. It's how it always is. To come out to friends and family as a minority that is often harrassed takes balls, yes, but it doesn't make you less a person to stay quiet about it, either. Staying quiet about it because you simply don't want to invite stress, strain, potential dislike and hatred from your friends and family... those are good reasons.

Your family and friends love you for who you are. Who you are, straight or not, is why they know you in the first place. Don't deny who you are, but you don't NEED to tell those people anything of the sort. If there comes a point where it's impossible to hide (for example, hooking up with someone), then it simply comes out as a simple matter. At that point you have someone to love, and you have support, and so the fear is lessened.

At least, this is my stance on it. I've voiced it before, but I'll voice it again, and every time anyone's looking for a little different thought on the idea of coming out.

In other news, WAAAGHLAPTHILAGINATHAPTTHHHHHH! *Taz Devil whirlwind*

hey thanks for this info, this will prove much useful advice for him, I must say you look like you know your stuff :)
 

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If there comes a point where it's impossible to hide (for example, hooking up with someone), then it simply comes out as a simple matter. At that point you have someone to love, and you have support, and so the fear is lessened.
I really don't agree with that line of logic, Faora. Call me disillusioned, but after putting blood and sweat and tears into a relationship that didn't work for a whole ****ing year of my life I found that not everything is set in stone and not everything that I can humanly own can come from a singular person. I thought I was going to marry this chick, to stay with her for the rest of my life only to find out that in the end she wasn't in love with me to begin with and that this whole little soiree into Georgia was an elaborate waste of time and self-sacrifice on my part.

The most important person that you should fall back on, in the end, is yourself. Never let your world revolve around a single person or even a collective group of people. This is one of the most profound lessons that I have learned in my lifetime.

Smooth Criminal
 

diabetic_yoshi

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Wow, it's been almost a month since I posted in here! @_@ Geez, college finals and going back home for a week almost made me forget about this thread. Anyways, looks like everybody's been going dates as of recently. Sigh, I almost had one a while back. The worse thing happened, the week finals ended this guy I liked invited me to his party which I went to. We have a mutual attraction (he plays Smash too!) and I was the only one from outside his coworkers or friends (whom I didn't know) he invited. I went and had such a good time I forgot to actually get his number. Short of stalking him I have no way of contacting him either. :( The worst thing is is he's leaving the country after summer ends. Double :(

Funny side-story though, I brought a friend home with me to show her Las Vegas before she left the country. It's 2 in the morning on The Strip and we're sitting at a bus top. A group of guys walk by and one of them stops. He takes a look at me and asks if me and my friend are a couple. We stare at each other for a couple seconds and she finally blurts 'yes'. He looks at her and says 'too bad, he's really cute', and walks off. It was a funny scene, yet it's been making me feel somewhat uneasy now. Am I really that transparent when it comes to my sexuality? I've been more self-conscious than ever about how I present myself. I'm out, so I'm not worried about anyone noticing, but I've never been hit on by another gay guy before. I was just sitting there too...:confused:

Any help with my two dilemmas?
 

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Well this is a neat little bit of the forums. Thought I'd browse around looking for the artwork of all the characters EVERYONE uses for their sigs and instead I stumble here. Yay!

Anyways, before I jet off back to my artwork hunt - though I'll probably be coming back - how about a bit of background?

I came out pretty much a month ago to my closest friends on my birthday (see, I turned it into this whole event). Happiest moment of my life as they jumped in their seats, smiling and laughing ("I knew it!"). :laugh: Love the *******s.

Since then I've came out to a few others (family still awaits) who took it at least as well as they did and it's been the greatest month I've ever experienced. Excluding this small drama I'm having, but it's too "highschool" to go into detail - so meh.

So yeah. :bee: *waves rainbow flag, but then reconsiders seeing as rainbows are ugly*
 

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hey thanks for this info, this will prove much useful advice for him, I must say you look like you know your stuff :)
*chuckles and smiles wide* I'm glad you were able to take something away from my experiences and thoughts. Always makes me feel all warm'n'fuzzy. I know my stuff? I don't know about that. I just think I've been through a lot of stuff in a few short years that gives me a unique perspective to share with others. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't, I accept it, and when it does I feel happy that my experience is worth it in the life of another.



I really don't agree with that line of logic, Faora. Call me disillusioned, but after putting blood and sweat and tears into a relationship that didn't work for a whole ****ing year of my life I found that not everything is set in stone and not everything that I can humanly own can come from a singular person. I thought I was going to marry this chick, to stay with her for the rest of my life only to find out that in the end she wasn't in love with me to begin with and that this whole little soiree into Georgia was an elaborate waste of time and self-sacrifice on my part.

The most important person that you should fall back on, in the end, is yourself. Never let your world revolve around a single person or even a collective group of people. This is one of the most profound lessons that I have learned in my lifetime.

Smooth Criminal
I'll call you disillusioned, but let me be the first to say that if you want emotional (and mental for that matter) hardship, I've seen my fair share. Some say more than my fair share, but let's not get into that.

Firstly, I'd like to express sympathy for you. A relationship that you pour yourself into, body and soul, and then watch crumble around you for whatever reason... I've been there several times, on both sides, and it's never fun. I might suggest that you've allowed yourself to become a little jaded though, and that for the sake of your future, you may wish to allow a little childish hope and idealism to crack through your walls. No one wants to love a heart protectively wrapped in steel plating.

However, I wasn't saying to put all your eggs in one basket, so to speak. What I was saying was that when you have someone of your own, two things happen. One, it gets harder to avoid or ignore the questions of friends and family, if for example you're a guy with another guy on your arm. At that point, your sexuality becomes known, for better or for worse. Two, you HAVE got someone, and someone who understands the situation. As a result, you have a built-in supportive person in your life who simply isn't going to turn on you, at least not for that reason.

I feel like you misunderstood what I was trying to say, and I hope that cleared it up a little. I also hope that you can find it in you to warm your heart, because it certainly sounds you're very jaded and bitter about what happened in your past with that one person. Obviously she wasn't the one for you, and obviously you're still carrying scars. But don't let those scars fester, or they'll prevent you from finding anyone to love again. You gotta have a little hope, you gotta have a little faith, and you gotta trust in yourself and your own worth.

The latter I know is a problem for a lot of people (myself included; some people confuse my low self-esteem for modesty or humbleness), but it's a distinct key to finding someone to love. After all, if you can't see the worth in yourself and show that off, then how on earth is anyone else going to see any worth in you?

Chin up, Smooth, square your shoulders. Acknowledge the past, learn for the present, and look to the future.



Wow, it's been almost a month since I posted in here! @_@ Geez, college finals and going back home for a week almost made me forget about this thread. Anyways, looks like everybody's been going dates as of recently. Sigh, I almost had one a while back. The worse thing happened, the week finals ended this guy I liked invited me to his party which I went to. We have a mutual attraction (he plays Smash too!) and I was the only one from outside his coworkers or friends (whom I didn't know) he invited. I went and had such a good time I forgot to actually get his number. Short of stalking him I have no way of contacting him either. :( The worst thing is is he's leaving the country after summer ends. Double :(

Funny side-story though, I brought a friend home with me to show her Las Vegas before she left the country. It's 2 in the morning on The Strip and we're sitting at a bus top. A group of guys walk by and one of them stops. He takes a look at me and asks if me and my friend are a couple. We stare at each other for a couple seconds and she finally blurts 'yes'. He looks at her and says 'too bad, he's really cute', and walks off. It was a funny scene, yet it's been making me feel somewhat uneasy now. Am I really that transparent when it comes to my sexuality? I've been more self-conscious than ever about how I present myself. I'm out, so I'm not worried about anyone noticing, but I've never been hit on by another gay guy before. I was just sitting there too...:confused:

Any help with my two dilemmas?
*stands on his context sensitive pad and 'ting's a lightbulb over his head*

And the light comes on, TING! Makes a ting noise.

For your first problem, I'd say stalk him just a little. Find a way to get into contact with him again, even if just once. That way, you CAN get his phone number. You're only the creepy stalker if you're hiding in shadows behind his bushes and painting his bricks white while he showers, if you catch my meaning. You know? You're not stalkin' him for any nasty purpose, you just wanted to get his number, had the chance, and fumbled. Everyone does it, especially with someone they're interested in a lot. Go find him, if you can, and get his details.

Second problem. What's the problem? You're you, and other gay guys can spot that you like guys. ... so? *laughs* I think you're overreacting. You're thinking 'transparently gay' is instantly making you look 'obviously gay'. It's not that bad. Some people are really good at spotting gay guys, some people aren't. If you're not interested in letting people know your sexual preferences, then this is GOOD for you. It means those guys interested in you will have a clear shot at you, and the others you don't want to know will remain oblivious. A lot of 'closeted' gay guys would love to have that! Hell, even 'out' guys would love to have the cute boys know that they're interested in them.

So chill. You're just fine, mate, nothing to worry about. You are, dare I say, a lucky one!



*slowly raises hand*
Well this is a neat little bit of the forums. Thought I'd browse around looking for the artwork of all the characters EVERYONE uses for their sigs and instead I stumble here. Yay!

Anyways, before I jet off back to my artwork hunt - though I'll probably be coming back - how about a bit of background?

I came out pretty much a month ago to my closest friends on my birthday (see, I turned it into this whole event). Happiest moment of my life as they jumped in their seats, smiling and laughing ("I knew it!"). :laugh: Love the *******s.

Since then I've came out to a few others (family still awaits) who took it at least as well as they did and it's been the greatest month I've ever experienced. Excluding this small drama I'm having, but it's too "highschool" to go into detail - so meh.

So yeah. :bee: *waves rainbow flag, but then reconsiders seeing as rainbows are ugly*
Hello, and welcome! *hands you a piece of art*

I have to admit, you seem to have some very groovy friends! Congrats on being lucky enough to have made some true friends who don't judge. It's a surprisingly rare thing amongst the general population these days, unfortunately.

Also, if you're dealing with a little drama, even highschool stuffs, you can still spill here. I, and many others in this thread are willing to offer a digital shoulder and ear. If advice you need, advice you get. If laughs you need... well go back over most of the thread. We're pretty funny most of the time ourselves, but if you want a REAL laugh, check some of the trolls. They're loltastic!





*holds up the bleeding stumps that were once his fingers and cries to the heavens*
 

blink777

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Ack! I'm behind again! Screw it. For anyone who wishes to know my thoughts on the cornucopia of topics brought up since my last post, please consult my memory bank, as I seem to be having issues accessing it.

... Feel free to slap me now.

*slowly raises hand*
I came out pretty much a month ago to my closest friends on my birthday (see, I turned it into this whole event). Happiest moment of my life as they jumped in their seats, smiling and laughing ("I knew it!"). :laugh: Love the *******s.

Since then I've came out to a few others (family still awaits) who took it at least as well as they did and it's been the greatest month I've ever experienced.
Glad to hear to here someone else's life got a whole lot better after coming out. With all the downer-stories / half-regrets thrown around on the past few pages, I was worried that I was the only one who's feeling great about the whole thing (and I'm far too lazy at the moment to go back and check everyone's coming out stories over the thread to find out if the recent trend is just a blip).

EDIT: Forgot to reiterate my thoughts on the awesomeness of Faora's posts. However, screw you for not living in Toronto.
 

Queen

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I don't honestly know where to begin in this topic...o_O

Well, let's start with the coming out, eh? Mine was epic...ish. Anyway, I came out in a Valedictorian speech during my senior year of high school. It was even better because of the duplicity involved. Our speeches had to be "approved" by one of the principals. So, I wrote a speech, gave it up for inspection. Needless to say, it passed. When it came time for me to speak, I pulled out an unapproved speech from the sleeve of my gown. Of course, it was essentially the same speech...plus a bit more at the end. I did kinda feel sorry for the girl who had to speak after me though... In my own estimation (and it might be skewed), I had, by far, the best speech. I felt like I was the only one addressing anything important. Oh, and I had used a quotation from Queer As Folk. Yahtzee!
 

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****, Queen. That had to take some guts. I think it sucks telling anyone about it, even if I don't know 'em that well. But hey, at least you got pretty much everyone all in one shot, eh?
 

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"****, Queen. That had to take some guts. I think it sucks telling anyone about it, even if I don't know 'em that well. But hey, at least you got pretty much everyone all in one shot, eh?"
That's actually one of the reasons I did it. Well, that and I have a somewhat unhealthy attraction to the grandiose and (melo)dramatic.

"Queen, that takes quite some balls. What was the overall reaction?"
It went splendidly, everyone was really supportive. I got the crowd to stand up and clap louder for me than anyone else. It was simply amazing.

I was a bit worried about what my grampa would do because I hadn't planned on him being there, but, as I had steeled myself to do this for the past few weeks, I went through with it. Later, I realized that my grandfather wouldn't have cared. He's always been one of the most amazing people I've ever known.

On the flipside, I did have a bit of a snag with another woman, which I handled terribly (in a self-oppressing and internalizing kind of way). She was one of the directors of Upward Bound (which is essentially a program to get kids with reduced opportunities to go to college). She confronted me about it later, and told me that my choice burned some bridges for me. She then proceeded to tell me that I shouldn't "flaunt" myself. Now, I hate dealing with confrontations, especially, somewhat tense and awkward ones, so I tried to ameliorate the situation with a joke. It was a Will & Grace reference too. :D I think I told her that my party dress was at the cleaners, so no worries. Acht, I'm an idiot. Oh well, I don't set much stock in that incident anyway.

I had some more Upward Bound troubles too almost immediately following (part of the program includes spending about 6 weeks during the summer in a college dormitory attending pseudo-classes). Firstly, I learn that the woman above, Cheryl, was sending her daughter (Lauren, a lesbian) to counselling to "cure" her. Needless to say, my opinion of Cheryl was reduced dramatically. Another one of the directors, Jayna, confronted me constantly about effeminate behavior, which was bloody nonsense because I was acting exactly the way I had before, she was merely reading more into it. I was very pissed at her and I still haven't forgiven her for telling me I couldn't wear dangling earrings. I have an unhealthy habit of holding onto grudges; you'd think that be aware of this flaw would be helpful in stifling it, but no... Naturally, I still did wear the earrings, I was tired of being passive. It was my last summer in the program, I held the power. I may have abused it, but ultimately, I think it served me well. I was able to draw better boundaries of when to fight and when to relent.
 

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If it makes you feel any better, Queen, I'd have acted pretty similarly...
... If perhaps with more vulgarity, involving where this Cheryl woman should shove those metaphorical bridges.
Seriously though, go you. Shit you did took some cojones. Rock on. ;D
 

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I realized today that my boyfriend and I have been dating for 8 months. Holy ****. Things are all going really well, too.

He's talkin' about moving to California after this next school year. I wonder how things'll be between us by then, and if they're going good, I wonder if I'll be going with him. o_O
 

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It takes time to build confidence. At this point, I would have confronted her about it. Of course, I would still be civil because I have a hard time dealing with aggression, but hey.

That's wonderful Xsyven! I hope things progress smoothly for you and him.
 

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-snip
...Also I just have a pet peeve with Murses. They fill me with rage. It's irrational really...
-snip-
Guess what. Mine arrived today. :p



I realized today that my boyfriend and I have been dating for 8 months. Holy ****. Things are all going really well, too.

He's talkin' about moving to California after this next school year. I wonder how things'll be between us by then, and if they're going good, I wonder if I'll be going with him. o_O
Grats on 8 months! Glad to hear things are going well. :D
As to going with him, well...
Just know that if you don't, distance like that puts some major strain on a relationship. :x
Hope things work out for the best, though. I really do.
 

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Wow, go Queen. As has been said, that took guts. And for all that I want to thwap that Cheryl *****, I don't think I could have handled it any better. Glad to hear you "don't set much stock in that incident".

+1 internet cupcake for Xsyven for making me smile again. Hope everything continues to go well with you two (and if it doesn't, send him up my way ;). jk)

Thanks for bringing up murses again, Desu, I decided to wiki it this time around. I'm going to assume you don't mean male nurses (which one of my roommates is trying to set me up with ^^) and are talking about those shoulder bag thingers. Gotta agree that your hate seems irrational, Andyark: I'd much rather have one of those than the stupid bookbag I have to carry around just so I can bring a book on the subway.
 

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Man I couldn't even imagine doing such a thing, coming out in a speech? That takes a lot of courage, clap clap clap for you, Queen. ^^

Ahh as the new season starts it seems as if everybody is starting it off really well... good feelings everywhere, feelings of love and self appreciation and all that jazz. It's truly awesome to see so many positive posts, but it truly sucks to have nothing to be happy about yourself. T_T
 

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Ahh as the new season starts it seems as if everybody is starting it off really well... good feelings everywhere, feelings of love and self appreciation and all that jazz.
Aren't you forgetting all the guys shedding the bulky jackets and sweaters for the warmer weather? *wibbles* If nothing else, you have that to be happy about.
 

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Help needed

Hi there.

Im fairly new here but i have a slight problem.

Normally i am hetrosexual but o have had on occsations "Feelings" for both genders thou these feelings would always go away but come back.

The reason i asked here is because you seem like a bunch of good folks that are good with helping others.

I'll browse here when i can without others watching.
 

Daysoo

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Hi there.

Im fairly new here but i have a slight problem.

Normally i am hetrosexual but o have had on occsations "Feelings" for both genders thou these feelings would always go away but come back.

The reason i asked here is because you seem like a bunch of good folks that are good with helping others.

I'll browse here when i can without others watching.
It's called being bicurious.
Nothin' wrong with that in and of itself. ;P
If something else is causing you problems or concerns though, let us know.
I'm sure someone can help in some way or another.
 

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Aren't you forgetting all the guys shedding the bulky jackets and sweaters for the warmer weather? *wibbles* If nothing else, you have that to be happy about.
I would be if any of the guys in my area were cute and not gangsta. ._.; But I'm just finding reasons to be sad, I'm sure there's SOMETHING that I can be happy about! =D School ends next week and even though I have to worry about finals, projects, and should look for a part time job I guess I still have that to be happy about! ^^ And I'm going to a graduation party on Saturday even though I'm a Junior (my friend who invited me is a Senior), so I have that to look forward to. ^^ And ummm... I only have one more year left in Hell- I mean High School! ^.^
 

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"****, Queen. That had to take some guts. I think it sucks telling anyone about it, even if I don't know 'em that well. But hey, at least you got pretty much everyone all in one shot, eh?"
That's actually one of the reasons I did it. Well, that and I have a somewhat unhealthy attraction to the grandiose and (melo)dramatic.

"Queen, that takes quite some balls. What was the overall reaction?"
It went splendidly, everyone was really supportive. I got the crowd to stand up and clap louder for me than anyone else. It was simply amazing.

I was a bit worried about what my grampa would do because I hadn't planned on him being there, but, as I had steeled myself to do this for the past few weeks, I went through with it. Later, I realized that my grandfather wouldn't have cared. He's always been one of the most amazing people I've ever known.

On the flipside, I did have a bit of a snag with another woman, which I handled terribly (in a self-oppressing and internalizing kind of way). She was one of the directors of Upward Bound (which is essentially a program to get kids with reduced opportunities to go to college). She confronted me about it later, and told me that my choice burned some bridges for me. She then proceeded to tell me that I shouldn't "flaunt" myself. Now, I hate dealing with confrontations, especially, somewhat tense and awkward ones, so I tried to ameliorate the situation with a joke. It was a Will & Grace reference too. :D I think I told her that my party dress was at the cleaners, so no worries. Acht, I'm an idiot. Oh well, I don't set much stock in that incident anyway.

I had some more Upward Bound troubles too almost immediately following (part of the program includes spending about 6 weeks during the summer in a college dormitory attending pseudo-classes). Firstly, I learn that the woman above, Cheryl, was sending her daughter (Lauren, a lesbian) to counselling to "cure" her. Needless to say, my opinion of Cheryl was reduced dramatically. Another one of the directors, Jayna, confronted me constantly about effeminate behavior, which was bloody nonsense because I was acting exactly the way I had before, she was merely reading more into it. I was very pissed at her and I still haven't forgiven her for telling me I couldn't wear dangling earrings. I have an unhealthy habit of holding onto grudges; you'd think that be aware of this flaw would be helpful in stifling it, but no... Naturally, I still did wear the earrings, I was tired of being passive. It was my last summer in the program, I held the power. I may have abused it, but ultimately, I think it served me well. I was able to draw better boundaries of when to fight and when to relent.
How long ago was this?

You could probably sue for that actually because it's gender-based discrimination. A lot of which is covered in federal law btw, so if you're in an anti-gay area you can sue where you've got a better shot, in federal court. There also are lots of other tricks for switching jurisdictions.

If you're interested, contact your local ACLU chapter, they do pro bono work in this area all the time.
 

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Don't care if a person is gay, straight, married, bi, black, white, hispanic, asian or what. As long as we get along and your a cool smasher, that's all that matters.
 

Queen

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Adumbrodeus, this happened almost 4 years ago. I've sinced moved from Sioux City to Omaha. It's long gone, but I appreciate your concern. If I may ask, why are you so knowledgeable in this arena?

Thank you Momo. It didn't take that much. It was motivated as much by courage as lethargy. It was a lot easier to tell everyone in one fell swoop than several smaller groups of individuals. :D
 

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Adumbrodeus, this happened almost 4 years ago. I've sinced moved from Sioux City to Omaha. It's long gone, but I appreciate your concern. If I may ask, why are you so knowledgeable in this arena?
Not sure what the statute of limitations is, but a lot of them do extend more then 4 years, so again, if you're interested contact the ACLU. Civil suits tend to have long statues of limitations, granted getting evidence tends to be difficult.


I'm knowledgeable in this cause I'm essentially pre-law (when for a technical field which would be applied to the law I'm studying rather then pre-law, but I'm applying to law school when college is finished). Granted, I'm going into IP law, but I have an interest in law in general so I know random information about other legal areas... especially my other favorite law area, American Constitutional law.


But you don't seem interested anyway, so it really doesn't matter too much.
 

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If I thought the situation had left me with any lasting harm, I would take your advice and use it immediately. However, I haven't suffered from it. If I were a dramatic person, I might call the entire ordeal a crucible of sorts.

Ah, I see. I wish you luck in your field of study. I have a friend, Dale, that is aspiring to be a lawyer. He knows a lot of random law things too. IP law? Intellectual Property law? Abbreviations like these always confuse me. I remember the first time I was reading about double jump cancelling. I saw it abbreviated into djc and I was thinking...WHAT? Of course, that didn't last very long due to the subject of the thread, but still.
 

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Statute of Limitations.

It was on Seinfeld.
Seinfeld would have the statute of limitations for civil suits involving sexual orientation discrimination? I'm rather surprised to say the least.

Federal or state (if it's state, it's not really applicable since I don't think Queen lives in NY). What is the statue of limitations if federal?


If I thought the situation had left me with any lasting harm, I would take your advice and use it immediately. However, I haven't suffered from it. If I were a dramatic person, I might call the entire ordeal a crucible of sorts.
It's good that it didn't really affect you.

Still, I like to see people who do things like that get theirs, especially cause that organization might be dealing with more kids outside the norm in the future.

Discrimination is really a big issue with me, which is rather odd because I'm really not outside the majority in just about anything except my chosen behavior (in other words, I have unusual combinations of hobbies like philosophy and working out). For some reason I've always latched onto lgbta discrimination and (here's one you never hear about) Asian-American discrimination though.

The former probably because I have 2 gay siblings and the latter probably because I know that nobody talks about it at all. Hell, most people don't even realize it exists.

Ah, I see. I wish you luck in your field of study. I have a friend, Dale, that is aspiring to be a lawyer. He knows a lot of random law things too. IP law? Intellectual Property law? Abbreviations like these always confuse me. I remember the first time I was reading about double jump cancelling. I saw it abbreviated into djc and I was thinking...WHAT? Of course, that didn't last very long due to the subject of the thread, but still.
Cool about your friend, yeah law is a tough one, I wish your friend luck. What are you doing/planning on doing?

Yeah, Intellectual Property law is my field, but abbreviations are always annoying if you don't have what they mean.
 
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