It's not an advice/questions thread in the sense that I don't want people coming in here looking for advice on videos, and I just don't want information to be general. Also, as for questions, it's the same. I don't like vagueness, and I don't want people coming in saying "LERRRR DRILL SHINE UPSMASHESS PEACH FOR WIN!?"
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RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
...i wasn't looking for info. You just happened to give some out, obliviously maybe?
In any case, good thread; it wanders around unintentionally teaching all of us new things. Hurrah for talking.
In any case, good thread; it wanders around unintentionally teaching all of us new things. Hurrah for talking.
Shai Hulud
Smash Lord
Those of you who have trouble shining from shield, remember you can jump with the C-stick. This isn't how I do it but I can do it this way--it's actually pretty easy since up on the C-stick is so close to B. And you can hit up with the base of your thumb and B with the tip.
Another method, especially in the instances where you are shining out of shield to edge guard (meaning you're just sitting there waiting) You can use your index finger and thumb to push the buttons. You just have to be quick about getting back into your normal playing position afterwards.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
who knew there could be so many ways to use 'gay'?
Shai Hulud
Smash Lord
Well that's what I do. I didn't know people clawed situationally that much...strange.
Silent Wolf
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How's it strange? It just makes things easier for some players.
"Strange, doing something easier for more consistency."
That's like saying C-Sticking aerials is strange in certain situations.
"Strange, doing something easier for more consistency."
That's like saying C-Sticking aerials is strange in certain situations.
Shai Hulud
Smash Lord
Well it's like they're saying clawing is beneficial but they only want to use it in certain situations. If it helps you you should do it all the time. That's why I thought it was strange...
but you're right, it's not really.
but you're right, it's not really.
D
Deleted member
Guest
I think the light shield to shine also works on peach. I've seen it done, but idk if it has any utility or not.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
It does. I did it just a few hours ago to my friend, repeatedly. ^_^
SCOTU
Smash Hero
well, i came up with the fox/ falco ide because i lightshield shinespiked peach, and i figured it worked on everyone. guess not.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
if possible, that whole tactic could make Fox even more broken.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
REad the thread...or:
Lightshield -> JC shine.
was that question really necessary? -_-
Lightshield -> JC shine.
was that question really necessary? -_-
spamspamspam.
http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=2890565&postcount=116
I really wanted to avoid **** like that in this thread, but I suppose it's inevitable. If you have a question about something that's been discussed in the thread look for it yourself. Or go ask somewhere else, that's not what this topic is supposed to be for, not like it's really for anything specific anyway.
http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=2890565&postcount=116
I really wanted to avoid **** like that in this thread, but I suppose it's inevitable. If you have a question about something that's been discussed in the thread look for it yourself. Or go ask somewhere else, that's not what this topic is supposed to be for, not like it's really for anything specific anyway.
D
Deleted member
Guest
I showed m2k how to edgeguard w/ reverse uptilt, who in turned showed KDJ and the whole of new england.
I win.
I win.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
wtf? reverse u-tilt? To knock spacies out of illusions?
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
oh you're here. Well then, i should take the time to say that you're Fox is pretty **** good. I've never seen you play, until just now. Good placing at that v.i.e.l or something tourny. the 9th i believe it was on?
PC chris and Cort came down? Or do you live near each other and play often? I never see that kind of pro-ness where i live.
PC chris and Cort came down? Or do you live near each other and play often? I never see that kind of pro-ness where i live.
I'm surprised you didn't know, people don't use too much tough it's pretty rare
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
I only use it when i play my Falco. I just turn around and utilt spacies that come at me and bair them. Its more of a combo move than a kill move as i'm sure you're aware.
I've just never heard of Fox's being used in the same way.
I've just never heard of Fox's being used in the same way.
kenny10
Smash Journeyman
I just SHFFL a nair instead of utilt but now that I look at it, it's easier to follow up against spacies. When your on the edge, how about drillshine to dsmash. I saw Scotu talking about it a while back and it works really well when their percentage is above 80%. Would that be a better alternative than that drillshine to nair thing? Like against a CCing Peach, the nair would knock her down but a dsmash would send her off the stage at a harsher angle.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Or double nair to usmash.
In reference to the above ideas:
dsmash is actually better. Your right. Nair is a really bad move to use against a CC spammy Peach. At least thats what I've learnd from my expiriences. In general anyways, uairs and drills are the only thing you should shffl on the attack. Nair is mostly for comboing peach after the trail is set up.
Right? :S
In reference to the above ideas:
dsmash is actually better. Your right. Nair is a really bad move to use against a CC spammy Peach. At least thats what I've learnd from my expiriences. In general anyways, uairs and drills are the only thing you should shffl on the attack. Nair is mostly for comboing peach after the trail is set up.
Right? :S
I dunno, trying to combo peach can be pretty risky. If you notice you're playing a peach that nairs to break out of combos just approach to try and coax the nair out of her, then go for a grab or an up smash. If they don't combo away.
Shffling drills is best, but I dunno, every peach I play is too busy floating over my head to get hit by a shffl'd anything.
Shffling drills is best, but I dunno, every peach I play is too busy floating over my head to get hit by a shffl'd anything.
max32090
Smash Ace
good tip thank you
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
I went to a tourny today, and went through that same thing. Every time i'd approach with a nair and try to waveshine to anything, her CC dsmash would beat my shine after the nair. Is that even possible? I thought the shine was faster...Brookman said:
Anyways...I resorted to drillshine spam, which worked better. I figure the only time to use the nair is once she's actually in the air. Then you can link to usmash or more nairs.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Intentional Double Post:
I was toying around with something today. I think it could set up for shine spikes and bairs relatively well.
When your opponent is making their way back to the ledge, put your back towards them and nair, d.i.ing off the level. If you hit, good...plus you'll have edge-cancelled and landed on the edge, setting yourself up for a perfect edge-guard move. Is this move useful? I can imagine its limited to counter only a few character's recovery moves. I doubt it would work on Marth or Samus because of their good recoveries.
I did it to Fox/Falco against their upbs. Right after I connected I fell onto the ledge.
I was toying around with something today. I think it could set up for shine spikes and bairs relatively well.
When your opponent is making their way back to the ledge, put your back towards them and nair, d.i.ing off the level. If you hit, good...plus you'll have edge-cancelled and landed on the edge, setting yourself up for a perfect edge-guard move. Is this move useful? I can imagine its limited to counter only a few character's recovery moves. I doubt it would work on Marth or Samus because of their good recoveries.
I did it to Fox/Falco against their upbs. Right after I connected I fell onto the ledge.
I've gotta try it, but tomorrow
Yea, the thing about the shine being faster is that the down smash is coming out long before you even l cancel, most likely. Practice fast falling faster, or just don't use weak moves vs. peach.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Nair isn't weak as far as I'm aware.
So you're saying its possible to nair shine before Peach CC dsmashes? It never works for me.
&elaborate on my double post too plz kthanx ^_^
So you're saying its possible to nair shine before Peach CC dsmashes? It never works for me.
&elaborate on my double post too plz kthanx ^_^
I hope you're fast falling after. I fool around with slip off edge guards all the time, I really love them with falcon/marth though. I'll probably never do them in a serious match up though, just cause it's pretty easy to **** up, and it's success is pretty situational, maybe?
I call nair weak cause she can CC it, it might as well be a jab.
$hYne
Smash Ace
If were talking about edgecancels .
I recently tried some double bair edgeguard .
Sh bair -> edgecancel and immediately do another bair .
Might be a bit risky though , but quite funny .
I recently tried some double bair edgeguard .
Sh bair -> edgecancel and immediately do another bair .
Might be a bit risky though , but quite funny .
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
lol. edge-cancelled bairs.
"it's pretty easy to **** up, and it's success is pretty situational, maybe?"
Right on both counts now that i think about it
If someone mastered it then maybe it could be :s.
"it's pretty easy to **** up, and it's success is pretty situational, maybe?"
Right on both counts now that i think about it
If someone mastered it then maybe it could be :s.
It's not hard to do it consistently, I edge cancel for fun all the time in matches, it's just that going from the stage to the edge is the wrong order.
You're supposed to go from the edge onto the stage while bairing. It's a novelty at best, but it works sometimes.
You're supposed to go from the edge onto the stage while bairing. It's a novelty at best, but it works sometimes.