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[Shai Hulud]

I like to JC shine from shield against Falco usually after a dair => shine.

Umm...edgeguarding Marth if he tries to up B into you just shield and JC shine.

What's the best way to get back after a ledgetech? Lately I've been instant walljumping to over-B but characters like Marth can usually edgeguard you anyway. Maybe just tech to airdodge onto stage?

 

[terr13]

Well, after a tech most likely you can just Over-B directly into the ledge before the lag from his attack ends. Or you can continuously do it until they or you mess up. Against Falco, the matchup isn't horrible, since he can't pillar you, he can't DThrow you, and you also have a lot of good combos from throws. Also, you have the all-purpose shine to gimp him with. If he tries to pillar, you can Nair him, or shine.

 

[$hYne]

After you ledge tech jump sweetspotted illusion is pretty good , probably the best .
what i sometimes do is bair immediately ( you have to be a bit fast so that the bair hits
the edgeguarder) but this is only a bit showing off .

 

[Aldwyn McCloud]

After you ledge tech jump sweetspotted illusion is pretty good , probably the best .
what i sometimes do is bair immediately ( you have to be a bit fast so that the bair hits
the edgeguarder) but this is only a bit showing off

quite risky indeed.. however the opponent will most likely be unable to shield/crouch because of the lag on the move he used that made you tech. The best possibilities when teching are IMO either normal tech + illusion at the edge or techjump + illusion on the stage/ Firefox at the edge.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Sweetspotting marth= Edgehog to edgeroll

Nonsweetspotting marth=as Shai said, cc to shine if you are low enough damage, it works decent enough.

As for most marths saving their second jump till the last second, its mostly true..so fox needs to be abit crazy as far as hitting him when hes returning unless you want to wait till the last second.

 

[Shai Hulud]

Not CC, shine from shield.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ihtsowGIxo

PC Chris does it to Taj for multiple gimp kills.

 

[kenny10]

What's the best way to get back after a ledgetech? Lately I've been instant walljumping to over-B but characters like Marth can usually edgeguard you anyway. Maybe just tech to airdodge onto stage?

Or you can be really tricky and aim for the ledge with Fox's over-B instead of over the stage trying to hit your opponent just to mix it up and be less predictable.

 

[RaynEX]

wouldn't they expect you to go for the edge?

Regardless, if you see the attack coming and tech, air-dodging is the safest method.

 

[kenny10]

not really. If you over-B to the stage, next time you walltech jump, they'll expect you to go towards the center of the stage. It's just a mindgame.

 

[RaynEX]

oo. they might do something in accordance to that. like WD back or something. I could see how it might work.

 

[Silent Wolf]

Wall jump tech, then waveland onto the stage from it and shine or something. It's hard.

 

[Aldwyn McCloud]

never tought about that.. I wouldn't be able to perform it but for those who can is definitely something to try.

 

[RaynEX]

The hard part is timing the waveland in accordance to how far you jump after the tech. For all you know, you wouldn't be able to clear the edge's height because of where you teched and just die. I don't think its really worth the risk, however flashy/effective it might be.

 

[SCOTU]

the wall jump sends you really horizonally, and i don't think it's possible to make a nice waveland onto the stage horizontally, i'm pretty sure you can only do a really crappy one from above the stage. Maybe if you wall jumped from way below the edge you could do it, but not from an edgetech unfortunately. Unless i'm just really bad at it.

 

[Goldkirby]

the wall jump sends you really horizonally, and i don't think it's possible to make a nice waveland onto the stage horizontally, i'm pretty sure you can only do a really crappy one from above the stage. Maybe if you wall jumped from way below the edge you could do it, but not from an edgetech unfortunately. Unless i'm just really bad at it.

I think you can cancel wall jumps into special moves and air dodges. This means as soon as you wall jump, immediately air dodge.

 

[Oskurito]

If silent wolf said is possible then it's gotta be possible

 

[SCOTU]

you can cancel the walljump with an air dodge, it's just that it sends you really horizontally first (putting you way out before you're high enough to waveland). Like I said, maybe it is possible, and i'm just really bad at it. All it looks like to me is that you can get a really crappy one from well above the stage, which is all i can get it to do.

 

[RaynEX]

Yeap. Same thang is happenin' for me.

 

[Silent Wolf]

You usually only can get a crappy one. But if you get the WD animation in the end at least a little bit, it's still good.

 

[RaynEX]

I s'pose.

I still S'D on attempt so...yea theres no real point in fighting it. A multiplicity of other, safer, methods await my interest =D

 

[Deleted member]

Wall jump tech, then waveland onto the stage from it and shine or something. It's hard.

cape came up w/ that in 2005 w/ mario's up B wall jump glitch in there, which is harder but also mario's WD is easier.

I don't think he had much success with it.

 

[RaynEX]

whatever happened to him anyway. Best Mario I've ever seen.

 

[H@wK]

Btw, did anyone mentioned you can CC Marth's recovery and D-smash right away? =/

I've been thinking to switch to Fox, but Falco has been my main in years Im in an Emo state ._.

 

[RaynEX]

Wouldn't it be better to shine? I do that, and i think it was stated here somewhere...

 

[SCOTU]

what % does that work to? because once you're in some low-middle % it doesn't work anymore.

 

[Brookman]

When you CC make sure that you are holding towards the edge and down, otherwise you may be pushed out of range. etc?

 

[Shai Hulud]

Just shield and then shine from shield. This is better than CCing since you won't take damage.

 

[Brookman]

It is good, it takes a lot of practice though, and is a lot easier to squander.

 

[RaynEX]

take PC Chris for example.

His squander'ing' > M2K's Marth.

 

[SCOTU]

new idea i came up with today (didn't get a chance to see if it works). Fox cannot light shield edgehog fox/ falco since he can't get to the edge fast enough, but he might be able to light shield as if he were going to edge hog, but immediately shine once you leave the stage, causing a shine spike. Dunno if it works yet, but it'd be pretty cool.

 

[RaynEX]

0__0

Holy ****. I'll try it too...sounds pretty nuts.

 

[Silent Wolf]

new idea i came up with today (didn't get a chance to see if it works). Fox cannot light shield edgehog fox/ falco since he can't get to the edge fast enough, but he might be able to light shield as if he were going to edge hog, but immediately shine once you leave the stage, causing a shine spike. Dunno if it works yet, but it'd be pretty cool.

You'd be tumbling if you fell of the stage, scotu.

You could power shield then shine immediately.

Or if a marth doesnt sweet spot, and youre dashing towards the stage, you could sheild his up b and let go of the shield before you fall off, but still fall off because of the momentum (unless you hold the shield too long) and then shine him, since the up-b already hit your shield and cant hit twice. too situational for its worth.

 

[kenny10]

Or if a marth doesnt sweet spot, and youre dashing towards the stage, you could sheild his up b and let go of the shield before you fall off, but still fall off because of the momentum (unless you hold the shield too long) and then shine him, since the up-b already hit your shield and cant hit twice. too situational for its worth.

Wouldn't it be easier if you just did a full hop nair so you avoid getting hit and come down with a nair?

 

[RaynEX]

or you could just use the shine.

Fastest move in the game. Theres no contest. Just time it right

 

[takieddine]

fastest move+ invincible frame give you infinite priority...

CC shine is best if you can't time it right...

or WD back into JC shine. but this requires more timing than you'd need.

 

[Brookman]

new idea i came up with today (didn't get a chance to see if it works). Fox cannot light shield edgehog fox/ falco since he can't get to the edge fast enough, but he might be able to light shield as if he were going to edge hog, but immediately shine once you leave the stage, causing a shine spike. Dunno if it works yet, but it'd be pretty cool.

This works on mario, and probably a few other characters.

What you do is this:

Use a dash grab or dash attack and hold z so that you end up on the very edge while facing outward from the stage, make sure you're holding away like you're doing a normal light shield hog. If mario doesn't perfectly sweet spot you will be pulled off the stage, and, for the first frame you are out of your shield you are invincible. In this frame you can shine, which will flat out kill mario.

This shouldn't be used in tournaments though, but it's a funny/cool trick >_>

Also, you can light shield edge hog fox on fox. PC has done it to kdj, they just have to up b parallel to the edge, and go straight to the edge.

Powershield to upsmash for the ****ing win.

 

[Oskurito]

I think you can do anymove out of the powershield but I'm not sure if you need to JC it or not

 

[takieddine]

you answered you own question oskurito, you can do any move out of shield.

 

[RaynEX]

This works on mario, and probably a few other characters.

What you do is this:

Use a dash grab or dash attack and hold z so that you end up on the very edge while facing outward from the stage, make sure you're holding away like you're doing a normal light shield hog. If mario doesn't perfectly sweet spot you will be pulled off the stage, and, for the first frame you are out of your shield you are invincible. In this frame you can shine, which will flat out kill mario.

This shouldn't be used in tournaments though, but it's a funny/cool trick >_>

Also, you can light shield edge hog fox on fox. PC has done it to kdj, they just have to up b parallel to the edge, and go straight to the edge.

Powershield to upsmash for the ****ing win.

Thats alot of really useful information. Man, I love this ****ing thread.

 

[Oskurito]

I remember that on one of the post brookman made when he was starting this thread he said that this isn't an advice/question thread or something(or am I wrong?)