Silent Wolf
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yes it's possible to tech the counter. They could also move back towards the stage a little more so you couldn't though. But then you may be able to sweet spot. Ohhhh....and it becomes a mindgame...
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RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
lol too much to fighting a marth. it should be as simple as bthrow shinespike with him. why'd he hav to get a sword.
Keitaro
Banned via Administration
Cort in the Fox boards = beasting.Oh yeah, another thing I see way too often that Fox players do concerning recovering:
Up b'ing close to the stage. It's a really dumb habit I see pretty often. It's just shouting "HEY, COME HERE AND HIT ME. I WANT TO DIE!" People should be more conscious of where they are starting their up b. This also works against certain Marth styles (particularly Mew2King or my style against Foxes with Marth, I think they're somewhat similar since M2K steals all my shnoz) After being tap a'd/countered/what have you, most Foxes will up b as soon as they can, but it's usually much smarter and safer to (I've seen KDJ do this: ) shine first, wait to see what the Marth does, then drop down and up b spaced so that Marth cannot reach you without endangering his own recovery. It will save your stocks, and that's a good idea, no? The shine is fairly optional, but it really throws the Marth off sometimes.
I actually don't like illusioning because it seems like every time I do...I die. And if I do illusion I like to shine first then JC into an illusion. Sweetspotting the edge with it is easy but it seems like everyone I play with can just edgehog or hit me out of it really easily.
Unless they can't get there in time to punish my illusion I like to firefox. I especially like to aim for the edges of platforms to try and slip off with an instant bair.
Another reason I like dropping close to the stage(well mainly on FD) is because it is really easy to trace the edge no matter how close you are to the top. I can usually make a marth mis-time an attack because they thought I would reach the edge sooner. And if they do hit I can usually tech.
Unless they can't get there in time to punish my illusion I like to firefox. I especially like to aim for the edges of platforms to try and slip off with an instant bair.
Another reason I like dropping close to the stage(well mainly on FD) is because it is really easy to trace the edge no matter how close you are to the top. I can usually make a marth mis-time an attack because they thought I would reach the edge sooner. And if they do hit I can usually tech.
brawlpro
Smash Master
I'm learning how to weave for fun!
This was pretty random but good job lol. It is pretty fun.
brawlpro
Smash Master
thank you, and as for explaining what it is, its pretty weird to describe.
is not funny -.-' PLz tell me, or just PM me.
lol. I wonder if you can double shine>grab too
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
how can you...he falls from it?
Cort
Apple Head
You can grab people as they "bounce" from falling over from the shine. It's pretty hard to time correctly, but it's possible.
You need some pretty good wavedashing skills, also.
You need some pretty good wavedashing skills, also.
Ryan-K
Smash Master
Doesn't it only work with a non JCed dash grab too?
Cort
Apple Head
I'm pretty sure Brookman did it with a JC'd grab.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
are you kidding? **** i have to try this.
lol forgot to put the word "don't fall" sorry... my english is sucking right now.
You have to run to get some kind of momentum that makes you slide a little after the shine
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
oh yea i knew that already.
lawl np on the english thanng.
lawl np on the english thanng.
brawlpro
Smash Master
Cort
Apple Head
It depends on your teammate as well, but Pokemon Stadium is a good start.
brawlpro
Smash Master
Ty ty, now...um is there a preferred partner for fox?
Cort
Apple Head
I would guess Peach, but I don't really know anything about teams.
That or another really good Fox (I only suggest this if both players are very very good and are a good team)
Or Isai?
That or another really good Fox (I only suggest this if both players are very very good and are a good team)
Or Isai?
brawlpro
Smash Master
Isai was the best answer.
But okay, my teamy is good enough with fox, lol ty again.
But okay, my teamy is good enough with fox, lol ty again.
D
Deleted member
Guest
it is a good idea, but to be fair, fox should always understand that he's screwed. after I a tap fox w/ marth, I wait for the up B. If I can counter it guaranteed, I do that. If not, I WD off the edge and over B him twice and sweetspot and he dies pretty reliably.Oh yeah, another thing I see way too often that Fox players do concerning recovering:
Up b'ing close to the stage. It's a really dumb habit I see pretty often. It's just shouting "HEY, COME HERE AND HIT ME. I WANT TO DIE!" People should be more conscious of where they are starting their up b. This also works against certain Marth styles (particularly Mew2King or my style against Foxes with Marth, I think they're somewhat similar since M2K steals all my shnoz
I do this with fox too, I stall w/ the edgehog or possibly shine and wait for an easy jump 2nd shine or bair.
I also like to turn around in shine and 2nd jump bair to hit people under battlefield. Cause it's funny.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
A REALLY good Ganon and a Fox is a freekin' amazing team.
fox and Falco is horrible imo. Fox + Marth or Fox + Shiek is really good too.
D
Deleted member
Guest
falco and marth are both kinda subpar in teams compared to their singles play. Fox/peach is the best team IMO. Any combination of fox sheik or peach is a good team.
The best teams characters can defend really well, have moves that stay out, and quick throw combos. Marth has a lot more trouble in 2 vs 1 than the others.
Azen's marth is an exception.
Falcon makes honorable mention for teams awesomeness.
The best teams characters can defend really well, have moves that stay out, and quick throw combos. Marth has a lot more trouble in 2 vs 1 than the others.
Azen's marth is an exception.
Falcon makes honorable mention for teams awesomeness.
Mew2King
King of the Mews
im pretty good at 2 on 1s myself with marth, i made two 2 vs 1 comebacks at SCC with marth and that's hard to do since he's primarily a 1 on 1 character
mow the forward Bing them down is often a bad idea cuz fox can shinespike marth in between Forward Bs. Falco cannot.
mow the forward Bing them down is often a bad idea cuz fox can shinespike marth in between Forward Bs. Falco cannot.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
^ he speaks the truth.
I did it from a stationary shine, or maybe a drill shine. Either way, if I were going shine a fox after a drill, and then wavedash out with a follow up it would be an up smash.
I've never been able to shine spike cort when he does this. Spacing for the lose I guess?
Also, an interesting, but somewhat useless trick: During fox's up b charge animation you will not lose your second jump. So, if you are thrown off the stage, and just up b, then get your up b interrupted before the attack part you can just double jump, thoguh I've never really found a use for this.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
^ didn't know that either.
uhm..couldn't you also DI the >B if you see it coming, THEN shine?
uhm..couldn't you also DI the >B if you see it coming, THEN shine?
BigRick
Smash Master
lol you cant really say that when its that team that ***** everything else in Canada hehe
Cort
Apple Head
Canada being the keyword right thur.
...and vwins/BAM being really really good in general.
...and vwins/BAM being really really good in general.
BigRick
Smash Master
haha true true... sry for the interruption
Hmm I got a question about escaping CGs in general... Can the shine be used to escape some chaingrabs like Peach's or Marth's?
Hmm I got a question about escaping CGs in general... Can the shine be used to escape some chaingrabs like Peach's or Marth's?
$hYne
Smash Ace
Yes !
Airrecovery + shine works most of the time .
Airrecovery + shine works most of the time .
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
he's not talking about that. He's talking about using it to escape chainthrows...
Vs. Marth don't d.i + shine at 27%. Vs. Peach...can't escape it i think..
Cort: Yep, they **** our scene hard. I underestimated them as a team a few short weeks ago, and they beat me and my partner in doubles.
ThatGuy: For the record, when they came to the Starfury tournament a few weeks ago, they beat us and alot of other teams without using fox/falco. They actually played mostly Fox/Fox and fox (bam)/Sheik (vwins).
Vs. Marth don't d.i + shine at 27%. Vs. Peach...can't escape it i think..
Cort: Yep, they **** our scene hard. I underestimated them as a team a few short weeks ago, and they beat me and my partner in doubles.
ThatGuy: For the record, when they came to the Starfury tournament a few weeks ago, they beat us and alot of other teams without using fox/falco. They actually played mostly Fox/Fox and fox (bam)/Sheik (vwins).
$hYne
Smash Ace
thats what im talkin bout lol