Let's talk.

[Aldwyn McCloud]

Wouldn't jabbing doc be pretty useless? As well as misspaced nairs?

lul crouch canceling?

agreed. ANA, jabs and all the stuff will only work as long as Doc's in the air. In the air Doc is quite predictable and punishble with a lot of stuff, the problem is mostly when he's on the ground, expecially if using CC. In order to counter CC I usually use full jump + Dairs, Uairs (only at mid % though) sometimes alternating double jumps. Shffls don't work that much, expecially because the Doc I usually play knows my timings and can manage to hit me with a simple Dsmash when I try any kind of shffl. Using full jumps/double jumps makes him miss quite often his Dsmash, and at this point he is forced to get in the air in order to stop me (mostly trying to Uair/Nair my aerials). Now we're back at the beginning: Doc's in the air and it's easy to ****, just watch out not to get caught in his Uair/Nair. Also unless I'm pillaring his shield, shine doesn't seem to be a valid option against Doc: I hardly ever hit him and even if I do I never manage to combo Doc after hit.

 

[Shmooguy]

To campy Foxes:

What do you do on smaller stages such as Battlefield?

Where do you go to camp on stages like Rainbow Cruise or Pokefloats?

When they chase you do you jump at them and nair or run/roll/jump away? Illusion away?

Basically, I don't know what to look for when I'm camping, please teach me.

 

[lain]

i have trouble spacing and in general thinking correctly whenever i camp. T_T

but wait, can you REALLY dsmash peach out of her up+B? that sounds ridiculous.

 

[SCOTU]

On battlefield, you've got platforms that you can maneuver like no other character to cross the stage and stay away. Rainbow Cruise/ Pokefloats are actually really easy stages to camp. Just stay ahead of them, and shoot lasers.

@lain: hell, you can shine her out of it. It's just ridiculous to do.

 

[lain]

but... you can? if so what's the general "timing" or spacing i should be looking at here?

shining her out of it sounds HAX

 

[SCOTU]

just dsmash her at the top of her up-b.

 

[Brookman]

I like Fox's down smash a lot.

****in' brawl

 

[brawlpro]

Can you guy's take a look at my fox and tell me how it is and what my strong/weak points are?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS6HAMiq0S0

 

[Brookman]

you look good... post a match where you lose?

 

[brawlpro]

There were few where I got 2 - 3 stocked, my friend needs to put them on the computer with his capture card, then I'll post them. And...thnx.

 

[straight8]

that was a nice edgeguard at 1:30.
you're good and technical and stuff, but you seemed like you were afraid of using the platforms.

And if you keep playing melee, try and waveland more often.
But that video was brutal.

 

[takieddine]

Can you guy's take a look at my fox and tell me how it is and what my strong/weak points are?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS6HAMiq0S0

You were getting shieldgrabbed and dsmashed a lot. you should make your approach less predictable. You didnt use the platforms too much.

Other than that, you had some nice lasers going, you should mix them up with full hop lasers, and even double hop lasers or platform lasers

 

[brawlpro]

you look good... post a match where you lose?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pW9rxYzYIo

 

[RaynEX]

lol bpro got better. good **** guy.

 

[ThreeX]

off-topic >.>' but.. brookman, you goin to MM9? :D We gotta play again, You ate my falco at esticle. XD

 

[Oskurito]

...but you seemed like you were afraid of using the platforms.

And if you keep playing melee, try and waveland more often.
But that video was brutal.

You didnt use the platforms too much.

Brawlpro needs to see my platform stuff

@bp: ;D

 

[brawlpro]

What platform stuff?

 

[Tyr_03]

Brawlpro, you missed pretty many techs in that video. You seem to have some pretty good technical skill but this would be something pretty basic to work on.

For some reason with "Brawlpro" as your name I expected you to be a lot worse at Melee than you were...

 

[brawlpro]

K I've been working on teching. Thnx for noticing it.

 

[Brookman]

You sidestep SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much, I'll **** you.

Also, you had a lot of momentum early on, and you were using lasers to bait approaches well (whether you noticed or not) I think what happened though, was the marth player started wising up and you couldn't really answer his change in strategy. If you pay attention, you get a lot more aggressive the farther you go into the match. ALSO, major issue was your positioning. Often times you would give up a solid position to get above marth, where all his priority lies.

Marth players will almost always try to break out of combos with a fair. BAIT THIS.

Also, in tournament, I would forgo the more technical option of drill/waveshining against the wall (not me personally, cause I'm confident) for a simple grab combo.

more up smash.

more nair into up smash.

more shine into up smash.

We'd have to play for me to get a good solid grasp.

Who played me @ pound 3 in fox dittos?

I haven't actually played this game in a while, so I'm gonna suck if I go to MA this weekend

 

[Oskurito]

What platform stuff?

Well...if you know how to isai drop and waveland you can basicaly do anything of that stuff. (that's because you always tell me that you can do everything...)

I personally like to use jump>shine>jump>neutral/forward/backward waveland>drop>laser or aerial; also, I usualy turn around on the shine for show off.
EDIT: and drop with reverse laser =P

 

[Brookman]

I personally like to use jump>shine>jump>neutral/forward/backward waveland>drop>laser or aerial; also, I usualy turn around on the shine for show off.
EDIT: and drop with reverse laser =P

That's when I would up smash you.

 

[Oskurito]

That's when I would up smash you.

the jump shine jump waveland thing is for comboing >_> and adding a drop is for show-off You'll have to play me and see if you can up smash me that way... sadly, that'll probably never happen.

 

[Brookman]

*up smashes your post*

That'll have to do.

 

[RaynEX]

let's talk?

 

[Stos]

lets socialize

 

[Grunt]

Is it just me, or is L-canceling fox's Dair harder than waveshining?

 

[RaynEX]

I think its just you. Hard is like...edge-guarding Marth...

 

[brawlpro]

Better yet Peach.

 

[L__]

No, edgeguarding Chuck Norriis + Bruce Lee. Now that's hard.

 

[brawlpro]

Ahahahaha haha haaahaha lol roflsss....psyche.

 

[RaynEX]

Peach and Marth are both *****-hard to edge-guard. The only redeeming point in this matter is that once you learn to efficiently guard one of them, you indirectly learn to guard the other. Its all a matter of using your shield+shine when they miss sweetspots, and spamming ledge-hops for invin. frames when they don't.

Easier said than done.

 

[Brookman]

Peach and Marth are both *****-hard to edge-guard. The only redeeming point in this matter is that once you learn to efficiently guard one of them, you indirectly learn to guard the other. Its all a matter of using your shield+shine when they miss sweetspots, and spamming ledge-hops for invin. frames when they don't.

Easier said than done.

as far as marth goes:
You don't rely on them simply messing up, you want to force (bait) them to up be early so you can shine them, or take their double jump. Once you take their double jump they'll start double jumping with attacks and there you can punish them again.

If they start dropping low edge hog

if they stall with forward b, shine spike

Back air is your friend.

edge hopped dair is your friend.

dair on the edge is pretty good vs. marth too.

use your up b against his (diagonal sweet spot off the stage)

there's lots more that I'm sure you could think of. There isn't a single method to edge guarding, there kind of is but its more like an art form.

 

[RaynEX]

good advice. I've always had trouble on the edge vs. Marth.

 

[Brookman]

hello well of information. bump.

 

[L__]

Why don't Fox mains use their guns more often?

 

[Brookman]

unless it's a part of a persons main strategy it becomes a second thought, and people get caught up trying to combo and nair and ****.

 

[L__]

but lasering and baiting approaches is so good

:[

 

[Brookman]

thaaaaaaaaat or, the opponent is just way too good and doesnt give you space enough to laser.

baiting out a baiters bait by feinting into their bait is pro.

 

[L__]

this is true

Are there any tricks that you have for keeping calm under pressure in tournament? :/ That's probably one of my biggest flaws.